darksidedog

The bars being busted is news.

The fact that cops had been taking bribes is not.

I am trying to remember the last time the BIB took the side of a farang.

Normally they take sides with the local and the farang ends up coughing up cash or ending up in the cells themselves.

I would like to hope this is not an isolated incident of the cops actually being cops.

I know many many people who wont come to Pattaya because they have no faith whatsoever in the police when a problem arises.

It would be nice to think that situation may be changing.

Then maybe visitor numbers will grow.

On 17/02/2017 at 0:31 PM, ezzra said:

 

Is this is only me or Pattaya really gone to dogs big time.. nary a day goes by

with out some king of aggravated attacks on tourists,,,, TAT, the ball in

your court, soon enough, this will be known throughout the world and you're

going to lose your precious tourists numbers you so much brag about.....

Problem seems to be that Pattaya is rather low on tourists, so those that are here are being gouged regularly.

10 hours ago, simonuk said:

Pathetic road laws barely enforced by a pathetic police force combined with the little prince complex that so many thai men have making it impossible for them to see their limitations when driving. Oh and disregard for the safety of others and ignorance when it comes to risk.   Hardly a day goes by when im driving in Thailand that i dont feel like smashing someone in the face  because they've come close orphaning my son through bad driving.  

I agree. Everywhere I see police stopping motorists for no helmet or other minor infractions.

NEVER have i seen a single one out there targeting bad and dangerous driving.

Only when our "awesome" BIB understand the problem, and address it will these horrific accident start to reduce.

Can't collect bribes from a corpse I guess, and therein lies the problem.

Generate cash from roadside stops, but stopping idiots doesn't pay.

Regardless, being stabbed in the back shows the integrity of the attackers.

While I try my very best to avoid altercations, if I have ever felt the need, I have suggested to the other person we step outisde for a little fisticuffs.

Occasionally I have made my point, occasionally been given a good hiding.

Regardless of the incitement, I could never stoop so low as to do something like this.

I also note the report said "men" as in plural.

Really brave to a) attack someone in a mob, and use a knife in the back of all places,  into the bargain.

I hope (probably in vain), that these lowlifes will be caught and go to jail for a goodly period of reflection.

15 hours ago, whaleboneman said:

stupid people should be executed as well so the people won't be upset by their posts.

If you ae going to execute stupid people, Thailand is going to be quite empty.

So the plan is to turn all of the kids into winkers. (misprint,)

Who in turn as a result will join the police force?

10 minutes ago, robblok said:

I wonder if there was a tip of or something, i mean in cream form.. most people would look past that. 

A few things look funny. I too wondered how they identified cream as coke. I mean it woukldn't show up as coke in a screening, just as liquid.
I also wondered why the Russian didn't get spooked by an obvious delay in "his parcel" arriving, but just sat there with some cash.

I wonder if, as is often the case, she was stitched up to let another 10 people, each with much more, saunter through, while customs were busy with the sucker.

It would pay to take a much closer look at everyone on the plane, on every occasion, if such a tip off did indeed come in.

7 minutes ago, phantomfiddler said:

Pathetic, no other word for it, as the Pattaya police continue with their relentless drive against crime

If the Pattaya police want a relentless drive against crime, they simply need to arrest themselves.

90% of Pattaya crime would be solved in an instant.

7 hours ago, bangkok101 said:

this makes more sense....rtp could not catch a cold, and even if they had a clue they wouldn't know what to do with it.

Indeed. If someone stole the RTP station toilet, their comment would probably be "We have nothing to go on."

I once filmed a bunch of cops stripping a bar of its sound equipment, because the music licence had expired.

All demands for ID or documents to show their authority were refused.

When they realised I was filming they stopped their theft and they became very aggressive.

I was told to delete it or I would be arrested.

I asked on what grounds, as I had every right to film it, they said they would make something up.

While the argument was going on I emailed it to myself, before showing them it being deleted from my phone.

The RTP are a blight on this country and need to be completely disbanded and replaced, for the right of law to have any real meaning in Thailand, as trhis video once again shows.

It wouldnt be so bad it they had the brains to arrest the rightr people, but they don't. They just arrest anyone without care.

Thugs and bullies with a uniform and a badge.

19 hours ago, gdgbb said:

"Very uncommon to see that sort of sentence..."

But it's not, that's my point!

There are several people in Nong Plalai for murder.

Biggest sentence I am aware of is 15 years.

You can get more than that for half an ounce of Ice.

What do you think is the worse crime?

20 hours ago, F4UCorsair said:

The police, In any country, don't publish their  methods chapter and verse.  It's not necessary, and may be counter productive.

The Thai police ar not normally slow to hold a Press Conference  for anything at all, to boast of how clever they are.

They normally tell who shopped who in the process.

On 09/02/2017 at 6:56 PM, gdgbb said:

Really?  The Aussie Hell's Angel would disagree with you about the sentencing!  So would the Thai couple who murdered the elderly Japanese boyfriend of the woman.

His case was unusual, I will grant you that.

Very uncommon to see that sort of sentence, though aspects of his case were quite brutal.

5-15 years is more common, while drug sentencing is off the charts.

And that was the point I was making.

In Nong Plalai you had a Russian doing 9 years for murder and an English guy doing 39 years for just over an ounce of Ya Ice.

No cash siezed. Must be one of the zero dollar tourists.

3 hours ago, heybuz said:

Had the same problem in pattaya years ago, the cost did not bother me but when they charged my then wife 50 bht and me 200 i said no on principal.

I agree. I first ran into dual pricing in India. Because I was working there and paying tax, I was able to pay the same as locals, but I would refuse to go in anywhere that had the policy.

The Thai constitution says that all people should be treated equally, regardless of race, religion or origin.

So charging foreigners extra flies in the face of the most basic law of the land.

I don't see foreigners in London being charged extra to use the tube, the screams of outrage would be audible here if it were the case.

Dual pricing is a rip off and fundamentally wrong, regardless of if it is affordable or not..

19 minutes ago, Nigeone said:

Nobody surely is surprised by this headline. Too incestous and involving to many sectors of officialdom to be able to sort it out ! 

Bureaucracy and incompetence, with too many cases and not enough resources.

Not to mention people in high places ensuring investigatiions go nowhere.

Not really surprising that their results are so poor.

At least they have managed to gain some convictions.

Better than the Police Ombudsman though, where you have complaints against the police investigated by the police and no wrongdoing found.

1 hour ago, darksidedog said:

It is also significantly less costly to get bail on a murder charge here than possession of drugs.

Sentence will be significantly less too.

Russian guy in Nong Plalai prison got 9 years, while an English guy with Ya Ice got 39. Bail for the Russian (which he didn't have), was 500,000, and the drugs (also didn't have), 3 million!

I do not believe that in either case there was remotely enough "evidence" to have secured a conviction in a developed country, with a proper Judicial system.

This is not England and the same rules do not apply.

just saw another story where a driver shot and killed a 17 year old over a parking space argument in ChonBuri, who got bail for 200,000!

Charges of murder AND an unlicensed weapon. Life is cheap.

Just now, chrissables said:

I had a friend in prison here, bail refused even though no evidence of a crime.  After way to long he was released.

Evidence can be meaningless here. 

It is also significantly less costly to get bail on a murder charge here than possession of drugs.

Sentence will be significantly less too.

Russian guy in Nong Plalai prison got 9 years, while an English guy with Ya Ice got 39. Bail for the Russian (which he didn't have), was 500,000, and the drugs (also didn't have), 3 million!

I do not believe that in either case there was remotely enough "evidence" to have secured a conviction in a developed country, with a proper Judicial system.

This is not England and the same rules do not apply.

14 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

 

This would not surprise me at all.  At any rate we should expect an outcome that somehow fails to expose what Tony Kenway was really up to in Pattaya for those 7 years and who was on the take when he made a lot of money and was able to pose as a legitimate expat businessman and move in hi-so Thai circles without ever feeling the need to even register a company or get a work permit for himself or his many foreign staff or fill in a tax return.   Alternatively Mr Tobey might be mysteriously found dead in custody in Cambodia or Thailand.  

 

I doubt we shall ever hear anything more of Mr Turner or Mr Bonito.  It should not have been too difficult for Cambodian police to find them, particularly given the inept efforts they made to cover their tracks in Thailand.  But they are probably sporting new cement socks somewhere in Cambodian waters by now.

If they are indeed wearing concrete socks, or assisting in the growth of new daisies, it will be interesting to see what, if anything, the cops have to substantiate their belief he ordered the hit.

Given the trail those two left behind, whoever did order the hit, really needs to ensure they never speak to the authorities. Can't see them keeping quiet some how.

If the rumours regarding Mr. Kelways activities are correct, there would likely be a significant number of pissed off and potentially homicidal ex customers out there.

It does concern me that the cops are being put under significant pressure to convict someone, anyone, just to not look stupid. Anyone with a grudge will do right?

Despite motive being just one element.

If they have the right guy, fair play. It would be nice, though naive, to believe that the actual evidence at court will be correct, truthful and comprehensive.

Haven't seen a trial here yet sadly, where that could be said to be the case.

13 hours ago, djayz said:

You say "it's too late now". I strongly disagree with you. 

 

Anti-corruption campaignsEdit

In the 1970s, corruption was a way of life in Hong Kong, being the norm in all government departments. Policemen would often extract bribes (popularly called "tea fee") before they investigated a crime, as did firemen before they rescued people and put out fires. Many Chinese detective superintendents amassed incredible wealth from their corrupt dealings with triads and corporations. Their names have been seared into the memories of the older generations, their stories adapted into several popular movies such as To be Number One (跛豪) in 1991. That is not to say British officers were entirely clean in their dealings.

In 1974, Hong Kong Governor Murray MacLehose, realising the seriousness of the problem, founded the Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC). The investigations and arrests of many police officers created a furore among the police, who protested against the ICAC and even tried to overrun the headquarters in one protest.

The Governor, concerned to avoid a possible police strike or even rebellion, at last issued a pardon, preventing arrests in cases committed before 1977. However, the pardon did not extend to higher-level detective superintendents. These high-level Chinese officers, famous for their riches, left for exile to Taiwan, which had no extradition treaty with Hong Kong. In time, the efforts of the ICAC changed the habits of an entire population and turned Hong Kong into one of the least corrupt cities in the world.

Taken frow Wikipedia.org

All it takes is ONE high ranking official with a LONG TERM vision /goal for the area he/she "serves". 

If Hong Kong could rid itself of most of the corruption, then so can Thiland. It only takes one person to stand up and say "enough's enough".

They need a leader with vision and an Independent Commission Against Corruption. 

 

 

 

 

 

First you have to find ONE high ranking official who isn't in on the action.

Most officials here have only the vision of big house, new car, healthy bank account.

Whilst I agree with your comment and sentiment on cleaning up corruption, I will not be holding my breath.

On 08/02/2017 at 0:55 AM, jaltsc said:

“Officer denied free pumpkins from truck, takes 100 baht cash instead”

 

No one can accuse Thailand of having the best police money can buy.

But they can be bought.

I am wondering how Pol General Chakthip Chaijinda can suggest that the RTP have a reputation that is not already besmirched beyond salvation.

Corruption, bribe taking, fabricating cases and evidence, extra-judicial killings, siding with people of influence in cases.........

The list of sins is way too long to write fully and everyone knows it.

It's very difficult to defend the undefendable, even in a Thai court.

Sadly, there are none so blind as those that will not see.

Doesn't look promising for improvements, if this is the reaction of those who should be upholding transparency and legitimacy.

I also wonder how an Ostrich became a Police General.

He probably needs half of that time to think of good excuses why the 50K went to him and wasn't spread around to his fellow criminals. I mean Colleagues.

If this payment was in anyway above board, you would expect him to be indignant about being questioned, and provide details immediately.

I doubt that any member reading this article was surprised about anything other than that he had been caught.

6 hours ago, ezzra said:

 

Last year, I have submitted 2 complaints to a big police station in Sukhumvit, one is

a serious of nature the other less nevertheless, a complaint the police obliged

to follow on, nearly a year later and I'm still waiting...

So yeah, improving the service to the public is needed right about now

( although I will not hold my breath on this one )....

I hear you.

When my sons motorbike was stolen, along with him being beaten to the ground in the process, the police wanted 10,000 baht before they would "go and have a look."

Given that I had very low expectations of their ability to actually achieve results, I cut my losses.

If they could spend as much time doing police work, as they do lining themselves up and preening for the numerous Press conferences, crime would probably drop significantly.

I do not expect this initiative to change much at all. There is sadly, completely the wrong mentality throughout the entire force.