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One of the perks of being old is knowing that I may not be around when the brown fecal matter eventually hits the rotating blades.

But one of the drawbacks of being old is failing eyesight, the ability to move quickly, or the grey matter doesn't respond as fast as it used too, then getting covered in the brown faecal matter is par for the course........unless it's an accident, then wearing tight briefs could save the day.

My mates wife is Chinese living in the UK.

Over the last few years various family members have received Family Visitor Visas, including several for her daughter.

Average is 10 working days for the application to be processed and Visa issued.

However recently they have taken nearer to 3 weeks.

I'd allow 3 weeks and don't book flights that times, dates can't be changed for a small fee.

You should not have a problem getting one but be prepared for a 3 week wait until you get it by EMS.

No need to copy ownder ID or House registration right ?

A Certificate of Residence details your name and address amongst other things.

When you purchase a vehicle they need your address for the registration book, so some form of evidence of your address will be required.

Sounds like your in rented accommodation and pay utilities direct to the landlord.

In that case I suggest you take a copy of their ID card and Tabian Baan as proof of address.

Copies must be signed by the landlord with tele number in case they want to call to verify your residency.

I was in the same situation when I first arrived here.

I got my Certificate of Residence from the local Police Station though (free, 30 minutes), or I could have got one from my local Amphur (free, same day) but I still needed the copies of my landlords ID and TB.

As long as you leave on 2nd Nov (being day 90) then there is no need to report.

Could somebody post the latest link to the online registration site please , and tell me what version of IE or any other web browser they are using.

Thank You

https://extranet.immigration.go.th/fn90online

You'll get a security warning, just ignore it and plough on.

IE, Win7,8,10.

Please try to call 111 and press zero. Someone will answer your question. This is a government call center in Thailand

You should re-educate yourself on the concept of a 'forum'.

Why criticise the jm69 for trying to be helpful.

Unfortunately answers to questions on a forum usually fall into 4 categories.

'Yes' positive answer.

'No' negative answer.

'Maybe' meaning they don't know.

'Useless' giving no useful information whatsoever.

Your reply to jm69 falls into the 'useless' category.

I certainly missed something in the 8 pages of this topic,

but I thought it was clear that you don't need to carry your passport all time with you ??

A copy of main pages and visa page is ok and enough, said by several Thai officials in media.

The OP here just didn't have this copy.

Look, the point of this topic was simple, is a Thai DL no longer valid as ID? ...

As stated in my first post, a top immigration officer assured us that expats carrying their Thai DL was acceptable ID. If this has changed over the recent events, I understand totally but.....

We were checked for IDs in a Thai bar by local cops. We didn't have our passports or copies but all did have valid DL. We were taken to the police station and charged because we didn't have valid IDs showing our visa status (our passport or copies) They also issued the fine without requesting to see our original passports to check our visa status, which seemed to be the whole point of the ordeal in the first place.

Another point I tried to make was, if a valid Thai DL is not enough for the police during a so called random ID check, is a photocopy of a passport that isn't stamped by immigration going to suffice?

A copy of the information page of your passport and a copy of the current Visa or extension stamp, which also proves your Immigration status.

Ubonjoe is perfectly correct.

The Embassy and consulates in China will only issue Visas for Thailand if you have a residency permit for China.

For foreigners Please note that the Royal Thai Embassy will only accept visa application from individual(s) with residency permit in china, providing that the residency permit remains valid after completing the trip to Thailand.

http://www.thaiembbeij.org/thaiembbeij/th/thai-service/visa/

I came to Thailand in July 2011 and lived in Xiamen for nearly 2 years with legit residency and when I went to the Thai consulate in Xiamen I was told categorically "no visa required, you UK person, you go 30 day exempt" and that was it she closed the shutter and walked away hehehee. Evidently the TV is mainly for Chinese nationals and they can't be bothered with any other passport holders.

That's true many foreigners don't need a Visa for a 30 day entry.

You have to reside in China for 2 years to get a residency permit for foreigners, so I doubt you had the correct documents to get a Visa from a Chinese Embassy/Consulate. I've spent a lot of time in China and have many friends living there.

My passport will be expiring soon. I have a Thai car and motorbike license and both have my current passport number on them. When I get my new passport, do I have to get updated licenses that reflect the new pp number? If so, what documentation is required? I understand I would have to provide a copy of my new passport, but would I need to also provide a residence certificate and medical certificate?

The straight answer is yes.

The practical answer is to first look at when your DLs expire. Most people won't bother to advise the change of passport number. If you choose to then you are likely to need the residence certificate (in my area, immigration will only issue a certificate against the written request of the Land Transport Office). A medical certicate is not usually required for renewals etc,

Another reason Jip why a Thai DL should not be accepted as a formal proof of ID.

My passport will be expiring soon. I have a Thai car and motorbike license and both have my current passport number on them. When I get my new passport, do I have to get updated licenses that reflect the new pp number? If so, what documentation is required? I understand I would have to provide a copy of my new passport, but would I need to also provide a residence certificate and medical certificate?

The straight answer is yes.

The practical answer is to first look at when your DLs expire. Most people won't bother to advise the change of passport number. If you choose to then you are likely to need the residence certificate (in my area, immigration will only issue a certificate against the written request of the Land Transport Office). A medical certicate is not usually required for renewals etc,

That would depend on your local office.

My experience is that renewing an expiring licence requires full documentation.

Making changes to an existing licences only requires the evidence of the details to be changed, such as new address or passport.

As your not changing address, your existing licence, old passport and new passport should be sufficient.

You will still be charged the full price to reproduce a new licence with the changes.

Ubonjoe is perfectly correct.

The Embassy and consulates in China will only issue Visas for Thailand if you have a residency permit for China.

For foreigners Please note that the Royal Thai Embassy will only accept visa application from individual(s) with residency permit in china, providing that the residency permit remains valid after completing the trip to Thailand.

http://www.thaiembbeij.org/thaiembbeij/th/thai-service/visa/

Good post. 1. Try to find the law or policy that says a Thai Driver's License is or is not a valid ID for foreigners and valid for ALL government agencies and ministries.2. In general carrying the Passoprt around is not a good idea. Nobody has ever cited the exact Thai law. A bit of a gray area on the validity of a good photo copy, or if you can present the passport in a reasonable amount of time. I am sure the cops won't wait and won't follow you to your apartment. That is outside their convenience level.

I think you first have to look at the laws within Thailand and what constitutes acceptable ID for a Thai.

Their birth is registered at an Amphur, they are placed on the Thai Civil Register and their name entered into the house book (Tabian Baan) of the parent(s). At age 7 they must by law obtain an ID card, which contains fingerprint biometrics.

Throughout their life they use an ID card and the Tabian Baan as proof of who they are and where they are registered to obtain services and entitlements from all government establishments.

Did your home Country accept a valid Driving licence as proof of ID to get a Visa to enter Thailand?

Will Thai Immigration accept a valid Thai Driving Licence as a form of ID?

The answer to both questions is of course, No!

Foreigners are issued a Passport to travel and form a part of their ID to be accepted in a foreign Country.

Those passports will be encrypted with some form of biometrics as refutable evidence that the holder is who they claim to be.

In Thailand, a form of address confirmation will also be required to access government services and entitlements.

A foreigner may present various evidence in this respect, which may or may not be accepted, depending on the situation and circumstances.

1. Copies of landlords/house owners ID card and Tabian Baan.

2. Certificate of Residence issued by an Immigration office.

3. Certificate of Residence issued by your Embassy.

4. Foreigners Tabian Baan (Yellow House book)

I am not saying that a Thai DL is not accepted as a form of ID in certain situations or by an individual, but it is certainly not a recognised form of ID whether offered by a Thai or a foreigner to a Police officer, Immigration, or a Government department, or certain institutions.

But if you want to be smart and avoid problems as a foreigner, you should carry at the minimum copies of your recognised ID (passport) and some form of proof of address.

I recently renewed my Thai Driving Licence, but my old licence was not accepted as proof of my ID.

Only my Passport and Tabian Baan were accepted and that's no different than a Thai.

Isn't that proof enough that the Transport department who issued the DL, will then further not accept that as proof of ID.

The proof of address, of course, being on your Thai D/L

Yes, but that address was taken from a Certificate of Residence, or Tabian Baan as proof of address.

It is a recording of your address, not actual proof of address.

Good post. 1. Try to find the law or policy that says a Thai Driver's License is or is not a valid ID for foreigners and valid for ALL government agencies and ministries.2. In general carrying the Passoprt around is not a good idea. Nobody has ever cited the exact Thai law. A bit of a gray area on the validity of a good photo copy, or if you can present the passport in a reasonable amount of time. I am sure the cops won't wait and won't follow you to your apartment. That is outside their convenience level.

I think you first have to look at the laws within Thailand and what constitutes acceptable ID for a Thai.

Their birth is registered at an Amphur, they are placed on the Thai Civil Register and their name entered into the house book (Tabian Baan) of the parent(s). At age 7 they must by law obtain an ID card, which contains fingerprint biometrics.

Throughout their life they use an ID card and the Tabian Baan as proof of who they are and where they are registered to obtain services and entitlements from all government establishments.

Did your home Country accept a valid Driving licence as proof of ID to get a Visa to enter Thailand?

Will Thai Immigration accept a valid Thai Driving Licence as a form of ID?

The answer to both questions is of course, No!

Foreigners are issued a Passport to travel and form a part of their ID to be accepted in a foreign Country.

Those passports will be encrypted with some form of biometrics as refutable evidence that the holder is who they claim to be.

In Thailand, a form of address confirmation will also be required to access government services and entitlements.

A foreigner may present various evidence in this respect, which may or may not be accepted, depending on the situation and circumstances.

1. Copies of landlords/house owners ID card and Tabian Baan.

2. Certificate of Residence issued by an Immigration office.

3. Certificate of Residence issued by your Embassy.

4. Foreigners Tabian Baan (Yellow House book)

I am not saying that a Thai DL is not accepted as a form of ID in certain situations or by an individual, but it is certainly not a recognised form of ID whether offered by a Thai or a foreigner to a Police officer, Immigration, or a Government department, or certain institutions.

But if you want to be smart and avoid problems as a foreigner, you should carry at the minimum copies of your recognised ID (passport) and some form of proof of address.

I recently renewed my Thai Driving Licence, but my old licence was not accepted as proof of my ID.

Only my Passport and Tabian Baan were accepted and that's no different than a Thai.

Isn't that proof enough that the Transport department who issued the DL, will then further not accept that as proof of ID.

Time to inflate the raft and dust off the knee boots?

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Love that map, that's awesome!

+1. Very awesome weather animation. Worth looking at.

Much better than this ugly piece of crap.

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If you like that other weather site, try this one.

https://www.windyty.com/?11.635,100.898,5

Or, Kor Ror 3, but that is a Marriage certificate.

So what does that prove?

A Thai DL isn't proof of ID because it doesn't carry any biometrics.

Thai ID cards and Passports carry biometrics to confirm the holder of that ID is the person they claim to be.

My UK passport doesn't contain any biometrics either.

As far as I know no UK passport issued to a UK citizen carries biometric data.

(And my bro got a new passport 2 months back in person at the passport center behind Victoria Station, no biometrics required, none ever previously given or requested)

As for bowing down to a corrupt policeman, no I don't, not even if he's gonna shoot me.

Corrupt Thai police officers, when challenged, usually (always) back down, are they really gonna risk an 'inactive post' for a minor confrontation with a foreigner?

The UK uses retina biometrics.

Believe it or not but just from those little passport photos you send, they have the technology to scan your retina from those tiny photos and it's encrypted on your passport.

At larger modernised airports they have the cameras to identify retina scans.

On several occasions I've only had to look into a camera which identifies my retina and I'm then allowed to proceed through.

Heathrow, Manchester, Guangzhou, Beijing all have the technology available.

Were you aware that Thai ID cards have their fingerprints encrypted on them.

It's not just photo evidence, they can be scanned to match prints if required.

Apart from my Thai DL, I only carry copies of other documents under the seat of my motorcycle.

About a month ago, every bike and car was being pulled over at a major intersection in the middle of Issan.

This wasn't just a case of helmets, seat belts or DL, they wanted all documents.

I waited in a queue, one by one watching every Thai issued a ticket and being pointed to the 'tent' to pay a fine.

Many protested profusely, but to no avail.

I thought my number was up being a foreigner, they were going to screw me for something.

I had my DL ready, tax displayed, but only copies of my Insurance, Registration book, Passport and current Extension stamp.

After carefully perusing through what documents I had, the Police officer waved me through.

'Thai no good, Farang very good' he said with a smile.

So to answer the question, yes copies of your documents are accepted as forms of proof.

They do have the right to hold you at a PS until the genuine Passport is supplied if they have any doubts, but they don't have the right to fine you on the spot without giving you the opportunity to produce an original document.

YEA--- they "don't have the right"------ you are a scream mate------ If you had been taken to the PS you probably have paraded out side with your banner---way to go---- don't forget to send pictures

Certainly not, I'd have happily waited at a Police station until such time my Passport could have been brought.

If travelling out of area then I always carry my passport, otherwise copies locally.

A driving licence doesn't show one's immigration status, which, in the current hysteria over the bombing suspects, might account for the tightening up.

Sorry Brewster but you are wrong.If they could be bothered or should I say if they were actually more interested in finding out if some foreigner was legal or not rather than just stinging him for 500bt then all he had to do was to look at the bottom right of the licence and the Passport No is printed there.Just had to check the computer that was no doubt sitting looking at him with a blank look(screen!!!!) Just another lazy attitude of the authorities but HEY!!!!! we're on our way to another million Bt in our bank and who cares what these bloody foreigners feel anyway

So what does that prove?

A Thai DL isn't proof of ID because it doesn't carry any biometrics.

Thai ID cards and Passports carry biometrics to confirm the holder of that ID is the person they claim to be.

Tried to do my 90 days check online a few minute ago. First step with personal information worked. After writing the patchacode, just come back to the same place again, and not to step 2. Am I doing something wrong here ? As far as I can see I followed the form exactly. Any ideas please ?

Sonny

Sounds like you didn't complete one of the sections marked with an asterix *

Look at the top of the page and in red it will tell you didn't complete all the relevant section.

Happened to me first time I did it. I forgot to check the MR box.

What is the "MR" box and why does it need to be checked?

As in MR Billy Jones, or MRS Billy Jones.

Anyone who writes to their MP that comes back with "The UK can't afford to pay you", should reply,

" If those pensioners on your NO list of countries to not get their full upgrades were to move to countries on your YES list, you would pay them, fact, you would find the money, same as you find the money to finance migrants who have never had any financial connection with the UK. Plus, you find zillions of pounds to send to other countries in aid that have no financial connection with the UK, yet you find it easy to hit retired folk who spent a working lifetime contributing to the UK coffers"......

They call it 'Robin in the Hood'.

OP if you suspect she is cheating and still communicating with different men on dating sites, why don't you create a false account on one of these sites, then contact her to see if she takes the bait.

Create a profile using a photo of a decent looking guy, no financial worries, willing to relocate etc, something that will attract her.

If she takes the bait, then you have your answers.

Of course you'll get inundated with replies you'll just have to ignore.

Thailand is renowned for dating scams and cheating to extort money even in the long haul.

There is no extent to how far some of these women will go.

I know a local foreigner, legally married to a Thai lady for several years. Built a house for her etc.

What he doesn't know but everyone else does is that she had him build the house 50 metres from her matrimonial home where her disabled Thai husband lives, who she visits 3 times a day to cook and clean.

Yeah, she's committed bigamy, lied, cheated, but the monthly pension income keep rolling in to solve the financial issues, so no problems.

On the other hand their are many decent, respectable women around as many will testify.

If you have doubt and trust issues now, the situation will never improve.

Very interest conclusion Richard and I agree with your first paragraph.

I cannot agree with your last paragraph though.

Why include other conceivable grounds for refusal that are non applicable to the applicant and then refuse on the grounds that no evidence was submitted. The IO could include every section of the Immigration rules and then refuse on the basis that no evidence was submitted to suggest otherwise.

There was absolutely no mention of a childs involvement in the application. The only names submitted were the applicants and her sponsor, the husband. They submitted her passport and copies clearing showing date of entry and she has never entered the UK before, so why would an IO also include refusal on the grounds that she has previously spent over 20 years, almost half her life in the UK, when she hasn't made any other entries into the UK, nor provided proof to that effect.

I believe this is a case of an administrative error and the reason and facts of the application have been confused with those of someone else who entered the UK around the same period. I'm hoping they will do a full review of the application after receiving a formal complaint and a judicial review won't be necessary.

Has anyone actually contacted the pensions people and received a future state pensions forecast?

I phoned them last November and was assured that a statement would be sent to the address in UK I gave them.

Still waiting.

Sent the form from Thailand giving my Thai address 5 weeks ago.

Still waiting.

Do they actually respond or is it all BS?

Thinking of sending them 10 applications every month until I actually get a reply.

I had one a few years back, if I remember right it took about 10 weeks to come through.

10 weeks! How long does it take to look up the database and send a letter?

I don't know why they can't tell you over the phone or send an E Mail.

This article might explain the delay in producing forecasts.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/pensions/article-2947974/Baffling-state-pension-forecasts-finally-scrapped-replaced-confusing.html

From page 5, it seems that although they provided letters from the sponsor's pension companies, they did not provide the specified bank statements showing the monies being paid into the sponsor's account.

Which on it's own is reason for refusal.

The first 4 pages of the notice may tell us more; but I suggest your friend seeks professional advice.

And what about page 6 and the refusal based under EX1.

We have carefully considered your application, however your application falls for refusal as the requirements set out at EX1 have not been met.

From the information provided you have not demonstrated

(a) (i) that your are enjoying a genuine and subsisting parental relationship with a child.

Just what child are they talking about?

And the refusal statements already posted in #1 above, ref the time she has already spent in the UK......over 20 years.........almost half her life?

They even quote the wrong entry dates to the UK!

Gents this is the refusal notice pertaining to another person, but certainly not my friends wife, nor their situation.

I've seen my fare share of refusal notices in my time, but I've never witnessed one like this.

I truly believe the UKBA have mixed up two different applications.

He did send Pension letters and bank statements re proof of finances, although these documents weren't returned.

I'll get him to contact the UKVI and follow the complaints procedure.

I agree he should seek some professional legal advice. He has tried.

7by7 they applied her initial Settlement Visa in Sept 2012 and requested it posted dated for Nov 10th, which it was. She entered the UK 4 days later on 14th Nov 2012.

They made the FLR application on 6th July 2015.