joecoolfrog

Indeed !

Independent news sources have already cited the main reasons for Thailand being red ; Insufficient levels of testing , low levels of genomic sequencing and a lack of data provided. So in short , what the man said !

Yep , remaining on the red list would be certainly be an indicator.

Frankly I see more honesty on this forum than coming out of Anutin's gobhole !

I reckon that unless Thailand ramps up its testing , its case numbers will still be considered suspect.

Minimal data provided ( lack of testing ) and a low level of genomic sequencing. Seems the boffins are somewhat dubious of Thailand's claim that ' everything is under control '.

Probably from a country that does NOT announce strict lockdowns until the end of September , and predicts a rush of international tourists from October 1st. Is that the type of joined up government thinking you applaud ?

Not quite correct , vaccinated persons carry smaller viral loads so there is less chance of them passing covid on. However the ulimate goal is maximum vaccine uptake , hence the vaccinated get incentives , the refuseniks get penalised.

Seriously , is that all you have got ? Utterly pathetic ?

Eastbourne surely .

4 of the above are functioning democracies , if the leadership is toxic it can easily be removed in a free and fair election. As for the 5th......

And so it starts.....

Absolutely spot on ! We pretty much all know that an ill advised rag bag of restrictions and disincentives , will put off the vast majority of genuine tourists.

If I had the patience of a thousand POPES , I could bear this constant stream of HOPES. but I fear the usual bunch of DOPES, yet again attempt mountains , without learning the ROPES.

Vacinated = 2 shots ( or you are ,or know, somebody influential ) 1 shot = small brown envelope Zero shots = large jiffy bag.

In this instance the ' covid rules ' have absolutely nothing to do with the virus.

Yes I probably got carried away in responding to the anti vaxer lol. Have you a link to the point you made about delta varient hospitalisations , that would surprise me.

Which might just indicate that the virus is far more widespread than the government acknowledges. That would hardly be surprising given the meagre level of testing and the pathetic vaccine response. The point is actually moot anyway because what is relevant is ; A) How many of your vaccinated colleagues have been seriously ill , hospitalised or died ? B) How much more serious would the situation be if nobody in your workplace was suitably vaccinated ?

I suggest you let the following sink in ; Fully vaccinated persons are far less likely to get or spread the virus and are far , far less likely to be hospitalised or die as a consequence of catching the virus. Apart from a small minority who have genuine medical reasons for avoiding vaccination, refusal to conform is base stupidity. Those who spread disinformation about vaccines are , in my view , criminaly negligent and should face prosecution.

Im afraid your comparison is severely flawed. The UK is testing 10x the number of people that Thailand is , so the percentage of positives is in fact much lower. In addition a vaccinated population will generally generate less severe infections , leading to less hospitalisation , death and pressure on health resources.

I have not heard any Scientific expert talk in terms of eliminating infections , it is nigh on impossible. What a high rate of vaccination does , and that has always been the goal , is to lessen the severity of infection. Consequently hospitalisations and deaths fall , the pressure on health resources slacken and restrictions can be largely lifted. At that point infections are in effect manageable .

If one reads the article it is actually the government being blamed. Lowering restrictions will lead to a spike in infections , yes , but in heavily vaccinated countries the consequencies are manageable. In Thailand more infections mean deaths and unbearable further pressure on health resources and the economy. There is no comparison between nations with 70-80% of their citizens vaccinated and one with barely 10%.

I cant see Anutin's character getting many laughs.

That is their mentality certainly but eventually they will face reality; More restrictions = less visitors.

You may be right , difficult to know how the current regime will swing. However in the real world , governments are learning to live with Covid , and if 70-80% of ones citizens are suitably vaccinated ,then infections are far less troublesome. The fact is that Thailand's economy cannot continue to take a huge hit indefinitely , and tourism is a major component of their GDP. Visitors will not return in adequate numbers unless the current restrictions are lifted , so quarantine will go eventually. As a betting man I would wager my ' around May ' is a far better guess than your ' never '.