Gecko123

I follow crime related current events and have noticed the drowning pattern as well. My theory is that from a psychological standpoint, drowning provides an "intervening event" which helps the mother cope with the guilt of killing the child. https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/french-woman-who-left-baby-to-drown-gets-20-years-in-jail-1423150 https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/14/nyregion/erin-merdy-coney-island.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Yates https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/07/us/minnesota-children-drowned/index.html

I sometimes think crimes against children committed by mothers don't get the societal attention they deserves. That she did this not only to her own child but to a child who was entrusted to her care borders on the unspeakable. I do have to wonder though whether the woman underwent any type of psychological evaluation prior to sentencing. Her behavior sounds somewhat like "factitious disorder imposed on another (previously called Munchausen syndrome by proxy) when someone falsely claims that another person has physical or psychological signs or symptoms of illness, or causes injury or disease in another person with the intention of deceiving others." https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/factitious-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20356028

For some reason I'm thinking this might have been an unplanned pregnancy.

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Are you sitting down? The motive behind snide gibes such as yours is (wait for it, wait for it)...jealousy. Ouch! Don't get mad. You had it coming.

A murderer's treatment of the victim's corpse can be very telling in terms of providing clues as to the psychological and personal relationship between the victim and the murderer. Putting the clothes back on a dead rape victim's body is highly unusual. As I said in my earlier post, it may indicate that the murderer had a prior sexual relationship with the victim and still had a residual sentiment of wanting to prevent others from seeing her private parts and to preserve her dignity. I can't think of another case where a rapist attacked his victim at random and redressed her afterwards. Another example of how a murderer's treatment of the corpse can be telling about the psychological and personal relationship they shared with the victim is Robert Durst's sending of a note to the Beverley Hills police department after killing Susan Berman. This was believed to have been done so that her body could be discovered in a timely manner. The placing of importance on timely burial was thought to point towards Robert Durst as the likely killer because timely burial is important in the Jewish faith and he was Jewish. I see myself as generously sharing my knowledge of criminal behavior and police investigative techniques here. I think it should be obvious to many that I have an interest in the topic and at the very least have an unusual level of knowledge about criminology. I'm expounding to the extent I have here in the hopes that you and others will recognize that taking snide potshots at anyone who wishes to analyze or discuss current event crime stories in the news serves no purpose other than to clog up and hijack threads, and I hope that you and others who amuse yourselves by engaging in this tiresome activity will consider refraining from doing so in the future.

Cops can quickly check which cell phone tower transmitted a call to confirm location. I'm not sure how the technology works, but my understanding is that cell phones regularly "ping" (send out a signal to find and match up with cell phone towers in the area) There are usually multiple cell phone towers in an area. By triangulating the microsecond difference between when the cell tower receives the signal, the police can sometimes pin point where the call came from. (you don't even have to make a call). This technology was used In the case of French serial murderer Nordahl Lelandis' killing of Arthur Noyer to prove that the killer and the victim were traveling together in the same car at the time of the crime.

Couldn't make heads or tails of that either. It's either a misunderstanding about what he said, or whoever did this just might take the cake for criminal stupidity..., i.e., time of death can be approximated, decomposing bodies usually float in water, trace and DNA evidence is not going to magically disappear if you throw somebody's body in water, stripping the body of clothes slows identification, phone records can be quickly verified, etc., etc. Edit: If the husband actually claimed on the day that the body was discovered that he had just spoken to his wife the day before when in fact she had been dead for three days, needless to say, that's highly incriminating.

Sounds like the police suspect the husband. One interesting clue is the post mortem redressing of the victim with her pants put on backwards. Suggests a personal connection between the perpetrator and the victim, and a desire to protect her dignity after death. Motive for redressing the victim may also be due to need to transport the body after murder. Need to move/conceal body is probably because if body were discovered at crime scene, whoever did it would immediately become a suspect. Husband's disclosures about wife's past karaoke work, habit of staying with a "friend," and possibly being picked up by a Cambodian guy shortly before she went missing may all be true, but are probably arousing police suspicions that these are possible attempts to deflect attention away from husband as suspect. I wonder if medical examiner will conduct a paternity test on fetus to rule this out as possible motive for her murder.

During the decriminalization debate that raged on this forum a few months ago, some proponents of decriminalization were attempting to portray the typical cannabis tourist as jet-setting high-end Elon Musk types and happy upscale suburban couples enjoying discrete tokes on their vape pens while sipping on vintage Bordeaux on the balcony of their five star hotel after getting back from their chartered scuba diving excursion. I was merely suggesting that this guy might be a vanguard or at least a closer-to-reality example of the underbelly of the demographic which decriminalization might attract. Just to repeat the counter argument so that the good citizens of Pattaya can keep an eye on the situation as it develops, be vigilant for ancillary criminal activity such as harder drug sales catering to the cannabis user demographic, or just more criminal activity in general. The argument that the cannabis demographic is no worse than the booze or monger demographic only holds water to the extent that they're mutually exclusive. It is possible to smoke weed, drink, and pick up bar girls at the same time, right? But one thing that just crossed my mind, and pot smokers might want to consider is, is whether pot smoking impairs a person's lady boy radar. Something to think about if you're going to partake in sin city right? Could be a whole lot of cannabis fan boys in need of morning-after psychological counseling if they're not careful. 555 ????

I think foreigners including the press should keep their nose out of this issue. What people don't realize is that much of the charm of Thailand comes from the diversity of the people who are attracted to the country and its welcoming people. Not all of Thailand's mystery and charm is homegrown. Look at the way Khaosan road's 'crossroads of the world' charm has been obliterated in the process of cleaning it up. Who goes there any more? It's appeal these days seems to be largely nostalgic. Get rid of all these so-called 'unwelcome' elements and what are you left with? In the interests of not offending anyone, I'll refrain from answering that question, but a clue might be found in the bathroom mirror. And by the way, to all the cannabis enthusiasts out there, do you really think that decriminalization is not going to attract a certain (perhaps large) number of these free-spirited vagabond type tourists? Whether the cops succeed in preventing them from setting up sidewalk vending operations remains to be seen, but something tells me beach side resorts like Pattaya might see a lot more of this type of tourist in the future.

I mistransliterated the name of the street and the market. It should be Phlab Waan, not Phalab Wan. The reason why a name like Phlab ends up being spelled as Plub is because decades and decades ago someone used a phonetic alphabet to transliterate Thai words into English words. Transliterate means converting the sound of one language into the alphabet of another language. For example, Chantaburi means 'city of the moon' and is spelled จันทบุรี. 'จ' is the letter 'jaaw jan' which is how Thais memorize the alphabet (similar to A is for apple), and is actually pronounced J as in the word 'jay' in English. But using a phonetic alphabet, 'จ' is represented as //ch// which is faithful to a phonetic alphabet, but would cause many English speakers to pronounce Chantaburi like the word 'chant' in English even though the Thai (and correct) pronunciation is more like 'Jantaburi." In the case of ' plub' in the name Soi Nern Plub, even though it is transliterated as Plub, it is definitely not pronounced 'plub' but rather 'plab' even though I imagine locals in Pattaya might have become used to people pronouncing it the way it appears on street signs, Google Maps, and elsewhere.

The Market Nern Phalab Wan เดอะ มาร์เก็ต เนินพลับหวาน lit translation: Hilltop Pavilion of Sweets Market located smack dab in middle of below link: https://www.google.com/maps/search/ตลาด+เดอะมาร์เก็ต+pattaya/@12.9326476,100.9025726,19z

Incredibly inappropriate. Hard to believe there wasn't a sexual motive somewhere in the mix. Parents must want to tar and feather this guy. Kudos to the fellow teacher for alerting authorities.

Not sure where you're located, but milk in Thailand is generally not fortified with Vitamin D as it is in many Western countries. Unfortified milk is actually low in Vitamin D. Not going to wade into the Covid-19 debate, but have read that high percentages of the population have a Vitamin D deficiency and there are lots of non Covid-related benefits to monitoring Vit D intake. Have been taking cod liver oil and eating more canned fish in past 2 years after discovering dairy in Thailand was not fortified. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-d-milk

In keeping with the maxim of minimizing liability exposures in Thailand, I would definitely not lend her the motorcycle. Even though the chances of this may be remote, you could potentially have liability as the registered owner of the vehicle, particularly if the vehicle and the operator of the vehicle were uninsured and the injured third party had no other recourse for damages. Were you to reinstate coverage on your motorcycle and then lend it to her, you would be incurring potential liabilities in the event she in turn gave permission to another person to use the bike, or used the bike under the influence, etc. You also, as the owner of the vehicle, would probably be under ongoing pressure to provide help in covering repair and maintenance costs. Idea: buy her a bicycle. My Viriyah automobile insurance policy was in Thai, but I managed to find the attached English version on line. You can probably find an English version of whatever coverage you have on line or by contacting your insurance company. Of course, a motorcycle policy may carry additional or different provisions and exclusions, but I believe that the standard provisions of the automobile policy are very similar to a motorcycle policy. https://www.viriyah.co.th/en/download/motor_document/Type1_AdditonalCoverage_29.pdf Here are the main clauses that I think are applicable to your situation: Clause 9 pg 3 of 15 Transfer of Policy Ownership In the event the Insured transferred the Insured vehicle to another person (the transferee), the Company considers that the transferee then becomes the Insured of this Policy, and the Company assumes responsibility until the expiry date of coverage. For the Policy which specifies “NAMED DRIVER” on the Schedule, and the Insured must notify the company of the new driver’s name, in order to adjust the premium according to the circumstances of risk that has been changed. Failure to accomplish this requirement will result in the Insured being required to pay the amount of deductible as mentioned in the Schedule. Clause 4 pg 6 of 15 Coverage of the Liability of the Driver The Company shall treat any person driving the Insured vehicle with the consent of the Insured as if such person were the Insured, provided that: 4.1 Such person shall perform as if that person was the Insured and shall be subject to the provisions of this policy. 4.2 Such person shall not be indemnified by any other insurance policy, or shall have been indemnified, but is not adequately covered. The Company shall then be liable to pay compensation for that part which is in excess. Clause 6 pg 9 of 15 Waiver of Subrogation In the event loss or damage to the vehicle was by use of another person with the consent of the Insured, the Company waives the rights of subrogation against that person, except if use by an employee of the automotive repair and maintenance services, or automotive parts / accessories service providers, when take the car for service. Clause 9.3 pg 10 of 15 Exclusion: Driving Under the Influence Driving by any person who has been determined to be under the influence of alcohol with a blood alcohol content over 50 milligrams percent. This is according to the Ministerial Regulation No.16(B.E.2537) which is followed the Land Traffic Act B.E.2522 is considered legally drunk. Clause 9.4 pg 10 of 15 Exclusion: Any person driving without driver's license (note exceptions at bottom of page to these exclusions) Driving by any person without a valid driving license The exclusion as stated in 9.1, 9.2, 9.3 and 9.4 shall not be enforced in the event the damage of the vehicle is not the responsibility of the driver. In the event the Policy specified a NAMED DRIVER, the exclusion in 9.4 does not apply if the driver at the time of the accident is the same person as specified in the Schedule.

It would be interesting to compare sentences handed out for killing the wife versus the lover. My guess is that sentences for killing the wife on average are harsher because a female may be seen as a more sympathetic and defenseless victim by the court and there may be children involved.

You got me thinking... Probably he did know...but the article said they just met a few days earlier. 'Why we meeting in a hotel?' ['I live with my parents/ my kids will spoil the mood/no privacy] If they lived in Khon Kaen proper, that's a big city. Lover boy may not have been able to get any scouting reports on her family background. Maybe she was planning on telling him....eventually. This is kind of sick, but what's the point of shooting just the lover? You're gonna be rotting in jail for the next 20 years for second degree murder while your wife's partying it up? That would drive me insane lying in my cell every night wondering who she's banging tonight. Maybe he figures she'll at least visit him in the slammer once in a while. And, guys, suppose the surviving wife heads down to Pattaya, ends up marrying a foreign guy. After these love triangles blow up, the "other" woman or the widowed wife becomes a pariah and is practically forced to leave town, and sometimes they do head for the bright red lights (if you get my drift) and end up hooking up with a foreigner who doesn't have a clue about her background. An otherwise nice woman in my village caught her husband cheating on her, and killed him with a pomelo knife. They had two young kids. If she went to jail, the grandparents would have to take care of the kids which they didn't want to do because they were poor and getting up there in years. But there was life insurance. She cut a deal with the local police and the dead man's parents that the police report would say he was killed in self-defense so that the insurance proceeds could be collected (and be available for the grandparents with the police taking a cut). The woman who killed her husband headed down to Pattaya and within a couple of months village scuttlebutt was that she was engaged to be married and was going to emigrate to Europe with her new husband. That's a true story, not bar stool lore. Imagine finding out years after marrying a woman that there's a maniac ex-husband who just got out on parole. Yikes! Just saying it's really hard to do background checks and get the skinny on who you're dealing with here so you need to proceed with caution.

I wonder if he even knew she was married. Decades ago I met a woman on Koh Samed who acted like she had fallen head over heels in love with me. We ended up leaving the island together, traveling to Surin, and separating after that because of my itinerary. A week later, finding I missed her and wanted to see her again, I went back to Koh Samed to try and find her. At first she was no where to be found. Finally, someone told me that she was actually married and her husband had found out about our trip to Surin. I finally met up with her and she was giving me a farewell massage on the beach when suddenly her husband appeared with a large piece of lumber in his hand - perfect for bashing my skull in. I was just learning Thai at the time, but somehow managed to tell him I didn't know she was his wife and how sorry I was. But ever since then, I have always double checked marital status before getting involved. Haven't been back to Koh Samed since.

A remarkable woman who fulfilled her duties with great grace and dignity and was loved and will be missed the world over. Would like to take a moment to remember another long serving monarch King Bhumibol Adulyadei who fulfilled his duties with great grace and dignity and is loved and missed as well.

Perspiration seems to be pretty hard on the protective coating. For the last several years I have tried using an older pair of glasses when doing strenuous outdoor activity including exercising. By doing this, along with washing lenses with mild dish washing liquid, blotting dry with clean cotton towel, and then final wiping with microfiber cloth, I have managed to keep my Essilor Varilux lenses in remarkably good shape for 4+ years. There is no clouding or scratching. There is very very minor weathering of the protective coating around the bottom and the nose bridge edges of the lenses which I suspect is perspiration related. The rapid deterioration of the protective coating the OP describes sounds like something other than top quality materials were used. I would not advocate skipping the protective coating (as tempting as this might be) because of the UV exposure in Thailand.

impressive detective work

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People keep misreading my post, and using it to tee up these chivalrous virtue-signaling comments about the sanctity of a woman's body. I didn't say the law shouldn't be applicable; it definitely should, and I have reiterated this repeatedly. I just said that the venue and the sexual propriety standards of Walking Street at 3 AM should be taken into consideration when considering his punishment. Walking Street has a reputation as a sexual candy store. Both men and women sometimes get handsy with one another in this setting, and people, especially when highly inebriated and when they are first time visitors (which many tourists are), can get carried away and make errors in judgement. I think factors such as these should be considered when considering punishment. That doesn't mean I think he should be given a pass or get off scot-free; I'm just questioning whether the 200K damage demand was fair.

The demand for damages was obviously much higher than if the perpetrator had been Thai. Contrast the 200K demanded in this case with the 105K per victim which the Mountain B fire victims received. Over the years I have anecdotally heard countless stories where Thais have been compensated for damages involving automobile accidents, wrongful death, bodily injury, negligence, and assaults for a fraction of the amount demanded in this case. I can also recall many far more egregious examples where foreigners have been injured under similar circumstances and it's highly doubtful that they were compensated as fully as this woman has been. Not saying she didn't deserve reasonable compensation for what happened, but knowingly allowing foreign wrongdoers to be opportunistically pressured into agreeing to excessively high demands for compensation while under threat of criminal prosecution is a slippery slope, and short sighted. In today's world, word gets around quickly. https://thepattayanews.com/2022/08/20/justice-minister-gives-compensation-worth-two-million-baht-to-families-of-19-deceased-victims-of-mountain-b-nightclub-fire/