Gecko123

That's total BS. The police would also be starting with the immediate family and circle of friends, specifically the spouse, because that's who's usually behind this type of murder, statistically speaking. Also, initial evidence points away from other possible motives. Robbery doesn't appear to have been a motive, as his wallet with money were found on his person. The deceased appears to have been killed very shortly after he left the birthday party, which means that he was probably being observed or his presence at the birthday party was known by the assailant. The only other possibility would be that he was killed by a random killer (what the French call a rôdeur) which is extremely unlikely. The deceased had just returned from overseas, and his family all said they were unaware of him having any enemies or disputes with anyone. That eliminates, at least initially, many potential motives for the murder. If the wife remained in Thailand while he was out of the country, an opportunity for extramarital hanky-panky existed. The lack of planning and almost child-like attempt to destroy evidence by setting the corpse on fire also points to someone with limited criminal experience or who may have been inebriated at the time of the murder, i.e., someone fairly young. Because both the deceased and his wife were in their early twenties, and certain clues suggest that the killer may have been young as well, this further points in the direction of a possible love triangle. The cheating spouse hypothesis is the leading hypothesis because of the laws of probability and clues pointing away from other likely motives, not because posters are projecting their own biases onto the case.

The Thai Rath article said: "Miss Yupaporn or Koi, 22 years old, wife of the deceased Mr. Thanatat, told in a trembling voice that her husband had just returned from Germany with his family at 11pm last Oct. 9 and today Oct. 10 is his birthday." As the wife said "the deceased had just returned with members of the family" and did not say "we just returned from Germany" I took that to mean that the wife had remained in Thailand while he was abroad. I can't find the Bangkok Post article you alluded to, but just because you may have stumbled on some updated information doesn't entitle you to talk to everyone who relied solely on the ASEANNOW and Thai Rath articles like they're a bunch of idiots.

Sounds like only the husband was in Germany, with the wife still here. Red-flag #1. Feeble attempt to burn the body and gasoline and wax at scene suggests how to dispose of the body was only considered after the murder, further suggesting a crime of passion. or somebody either extremely criminally unsophisticated, inebriated at the time of the crime, or very young. As this behavior points to the possibility that the assailant was younger, and both the victim and wife were both in early 20's, this too points to possible love triangle. My first questions would be: why did he go to the grocery store and was he running an errand for someone, perhaps his wife? My guess is either the wife was fooling around while hubby was out of the country and together they conspired to kill the hubby. Or, unbeknownst to the wife, lover boy boyfriend who was uninvited to the party, watched from the shadows, and impulsively decided to eliminate his rival when the opportunity arose, stalking him to the grocery store when he saw him leave the party. Hubby may have recognized the assailant, but being clueless that he was having an affair with his wife, willingly accompanied him into the park where he was brained with blunt object. After the murder, and possibly high at the time, he maybe frantically improvised and siphoned some gasoline out of his motorcycle, or quickly returned home to get some gas, thinking this would destroy the evidence, but quickly realizing this was futile, fled the scene. Question for the "Go for it, Sherlock" crowd: Do you realize that the above is merely formulating an initial theory of the case, which is exactly what police and many members of the news media and public do all over the world? It's an initial assessment of the facts of the case in an effort to try and figure out what may have happened. Speculation can be defined as the pursuit of truth through conjecture or thinking. Is this thought process so objectionable to some forum member that they feel compelled to clog up every crime thread with asinine, unoriginal, and repetitive comments about ASEANNOW armchair detectives? Are you so lacking in intellectual curiosity that your only reaction to those wanting to share their speculative thoughts on the matter is to try and ridicule and disrupt the discourse? Since you're so convinced that this process adds no value, do you ever stop to consider the value - or the lack thereof - YOU add to a thread?

It is possible that whoever reported her did have a legitimate reason for concern, i.e., panhandling, alcoholism, scrounging for food, signs of mental or physical deterioration, disorientation, etc. While immigration ultimately got involved, the article doesn't say authorities were alerted because of suspected visa irregularities.

Section 1562. Lawsuit Against Ascendants No person can enter an action, either civil or criminal, against his ascendants, unless the case is taken up by the Public Prosecutor upon application of such person or a close relative of such person. The law doesn't seem to prevent any civil or criminal action against parents as the article initially suggests. The law, as is clarified further down in the body of the PBS article, merely says the public prosecutor has to find merit in the case before the civil or criminal action can proceed. In my opinion, that's not an onerously high obstacle standing in the way of justice. Edit: Further down in the article it says: "According to Thai law, people suffering at the hands of their parents can ask their close relatives to file a police complaint and let justice run its course via public prosecutors." That appears to be an imprecise paraphrasing of the law. The law doesn't say the child has to get a close relative to agree to the action. Either the child or a relative can seek the public prosecutor's agreement that the case has merit. It's not clear what the public prosecutor's role would be in a civil case as public prosecutors usually only handle criminal cases, but as the public prosecutor handles all criminal prosecutions, once the prosecutor finds that the case has merit, I don't see how a criminal case with a minor as a plaintiff would be handled any differently than any other criminal case.

What was initial cause of erruption/abrasion? Recommend hot wet towel and soap cleaning, followed by hydrogen peroxide, cover with large band aid. If no rapid improvement overnight, see a doctor in AM. Red inflammation around wound and depth is worrisome. Infection may have progressed to point where topical ointment alone will not work. Absolutely have to stop picking at/touching wound.

On second thought.... My 'go-to' strategy for dealing with inconsiderate neighbors is to try to disarm them with affection. Without alluding to their door slamming or late night partying, you could present them with something like a fruit or gift basket or maybe something from a high-end bakery. I obviously wouldn't make it anything that could be confused as a romantic overture. 555 The reaction is probably going to be a brain-storming session to figure out why you are giving them a gift. There's a good chance that they'll figure out why you were motivated to do it. If pressed as to why you are giving them the gift, just say it's like a house warming gift, or "it's a tradition back in Norway" or some similarly confusing explanation. They will probably get the message and be more considerate. If you're really, really pressed to come up with an answer for why you are giving them a gift, you can say something like "I wanted to thank you for keeping the noise down", you know, like thanking them for something they already did (even if they haven't). If I know anything about Thais, they should get the message, without confrontation, and you should see some improvement in their behavior. Since you're reluctant to move, it's worth a shot.

Meth? Hormone therapy? Late night confrontation? Not a good combo. That leaves only two options. Either: 1) leave your front door ajar, put on a Shirley Bassey CD, get yourself a lava lamp, a feather boa, a vial of patchouli oil, some Hai Karate cologne (available on Amazon), and a pair of pink bunny hop house slippers and see where things take you, or, 2) move. P.S. I might be confusing being a 60's hippy with being transexual.

Here is a list of the negative reactions your previous column elicited: "grumpy" "picky" "offensive" "obnoxious" "load of rubbish" "pathetic piece of prose" "sanctimonious twit" "delusions of grandeur" "insulting" "self-centered" "bore" "tosh" "boring" "Mr. Cock-a-doodle-doo" "sad" "long-winded" "disrespectful" "knob" "idiot" "dick" "a-hole" "cretin." I would tend to agree that the final three or four names on the list crossed the line, but the rest strike me as legitimate reactions to what you wrote. If I am mistaken about this, and general non-abusive negative reactions to your column are resented and may result in retaliation, I think readers of your column deserve to have this clarified. For the record.... You weren't pilloried for "expressing a preference for Bangkok." You were lambasted for making ridiculous generalizations not only about all of Thailand outside of Bangkok and any expats who live there, but, most egregiously of all, making fun of the Thai people who live there. I found your comments about eating chicken feet, sneering about the possible unavailability of a microwave during your visit, and the photo of food being prepared on the floor (seemingly presented as evidence of poor hygiene and primitive food preparation standards) particularly offensive as it belittled the humble diet and lifestyle of rural Thais, who, may I remind you, are the life blood and soul of the Kingdom, and where probably 75% of the people in your beloved Bangkok originated from. Resentment was also voiced over your attempt to turn a legitimate debate over the usage of the word "electrocute" into an opportunity to unfairly belittle the literacy of forum members. FYI, here's a list of on-line dictionary references which restrict electrocute's usage to "causing death": https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/electrocute https://www.dictionary.com/browse/electrocute https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/electrocute https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=electrocute https://dictionary.findlaw.com/definition/electrocute.html Your comments about the lack of cultural diversity during the Queen's funeral (one of the few comments in last week's column which I applauded), the critiques of the hymns selected for the funeral services, as well as your call for the Monarchy to be abolished were also viewed by many readers as inappropriate, especially coming so soon after the Queen's death. I would also like to take a moment to mention to you that the 300K that your sister-in-law has yet to repay, that under Thai law, the past debts of one spouse are not the legal responsibility of the new spouse or boyfriend, and I think trying to pressure the sister-in-law's new American boyfriend into repaying the loan is rather tacky and gauche. Just a word to the wise from Miss Manners. My advice to the Rooster is to tone down the antagonistic running feud you seem to have developed with your readership. Frankly, the only reason I tuned in this week was to see how you would respond to last week's deluge of criticism. Silly me, I was half expecting contrition, certainly not thinly veiled threats about being suspended or banned if future columns weren't dutifully appreciated. One final question. In last week's column, you mentioned that you were heading to the family homestead in Loei just as Typhoon Noru was heading towards northern Thailand. You didn't mention it in this week's column, but I saw on the news that Loei experienced some pretty heavy flooding. Maybe you managed to dodge a bullet, but I wanted to ask if you managed to stay dry?

see: https://aseannow.com/topic/1274096-multiple-foreigners-and-a-thai-national-allegedly-involved-in-child-trafficking-in-pattaya-nabbed/#comment-17652542

He's not being dramatic and he's not your "dear." He's just pointing out that there's endless Indian bashing on the Pattaya forum, labeling them as undesirable low-spending tourists, but here we are with a case involving foreign nationals from Western countries, who, are accused of commiting human trafficking crimes, and frankly, don't exactly fit my image of what a desirable tourist should look like either. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the three nationals from ENGLAND, the US, and Germany are regulars on the Pattaya forum and have participated in some of this Indian bashing themselves. Hats off to captpkapoor for pointing out the hypocrisy, and welcome to ASEANNOW captpkapoor, my long lost brother.

This is everything I could glean from studying the case summary board. Sept 11, 2022: Child protective services and police officials investigate unnamed Beer bar located in Soi Bua Khao, Nong Pru, Amphoe Banglaburi and found 8 underage girls working in bar which led to the arrest of 'A' (last name withheld) on Sept 12th, essentially for acting as the madame arranging sexual services with underage girls. A subsequent search of 'A's house and the bar led to a Thai(?) woman named Orathana(sp?) and an English man named Tecktor Phillip John. Reader board does not say what involvement they may or may not have had, and does not indicate that they were arrested. Allegations are that customers bought sexual services at the below bar and customers led the girls to various hotels in the area. I believe hotel room pictured may be generic and for illustration purposes only. Two alleged customers: Mr Michael, age 49, American and Mr Jen, age 55, German were arrested on September 24th 11 am for having sex and committing immoral acts with a child. The arrest of the above two customers led to the arrest of a Mr Tacktor (sp?), 60 years old, English on October 5th on human trafficking(?) charges. According to the OP, he and the woman 'A' were a couple.

1. Unlike at many work sites in the west, living quarters are located in close proximity to the work place. The reason the child was in proximity to heavy equipment was probably because she was too young to be in day care, or the parents couldn't afford day care at a more suitable location, or maybe the mother had to run to the restroom or was distracted. Would like to hear how all the ASEANNOW child safety experts would have managed the situation better on a 345 baht a day salary. 2. Tractors have blind spots and a two year old child is very small. 3. Telling a reporter that he was aware of the danger and had warned his child about being around the equipment doesn't mean he was trying to blame the child for the accident. It means he was aware of the danger and tried to do everything he could to prevent such an accident from occurring. Some of you need to get a life. It seems like your only purpose in life is to heap derisive scorn on Thai people at every opportunity. no matter how tragic the circumstances.

Please take another look at the vinyl reader board summarizing the case. It's alleged that child protective services and police found a total of eight underage girls working in the bar; one girl age 16, five girls age 15, one girl age 14, and one girl age 12.

Does anybody know shooter's approx age? Appears as if this shooting may follow Chinese pattern of older male school attacker as opposed to US pattern of younger male school shooters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China My guess is that the guy had some sort of drug induced psychotic breakdown. Also, timing, coming when people were still recovering from floods and maybe seeing the sun come out for the first time in weeks is really eerie. Heartbroken for the parents and those who lost loved ones.

It's almost amusing how incessantly this topic comes up on the forum. But trust me, no one's laughing or smiling. Those dreaming of a retro-world where racial, ethnic, religious, sexual orientation, etc. slurs are slung about freely forget the loss of civility and damage to the social fabric which follow in its wake. Is that really the world you want to live in??? The anti-woke crowd see this as liberating, a freeing from the shackles of political correctness. But do you not see the tremendous cost which would inevitably have to be paid in terms of social tensions and alienation, and ultimately economic inefficiency? Have those who bristle at political correctness forgotten that the goal is social cohesion, an etiquette for working together for a common good? You're simply dreaming of something you can not afford. The world is economically decoupling. Climate change is upon us with a vengeance. Access to energy and certain resources are stretched. The Western world will be faced with enormous challenges going forward. To rise to these challenges, human resources will need to be marshaled as efficiently as possible. Divisive language and discrimination only serve to reduce productivity and undermine the efficient utilization of human resources. Again, we can't afford to under-utilize human resources, which is exactly what happens when prejudice and discrimination are allowed to go unchecked. Take Britain, as an example. Struggling with a loss of a long-serving monarch, struggling with Brexit logistics and diminished stature on the European continent, skyrocketing energy bills, climate change, fiscal turmoil, a looming recession, and a falling currency. How can you afford to not squeeze every drop of productivity possible out of each and every person possible? And how about the US? Egged on and encouraged by trump to talk in vulgarities and seduced by dog-whistle calls for armed sedition, the allure of non-democratic authoritarianism, and an increasingly despotic judiciary into believing that deliverance for the chosen few is near at hand, huh? A 1000 year Reich maintaining God's natural order, huh? I doubt it. More like civil war and social discord so engulfing that it would likely spell the end of the American experiment, or at the very least fatally weaken its moral core. Bigotry and the politics of marginalization of "the other" are luxuries the West can simply no longer afford. The anti-woke crowd needs to wake up before it's too late.

Not really instructional though, right?

Anybody care to hazard a guess as to what movie he might be alluding to? Can't think of any movies, per se, which graphically depict the dismembering of a body, although I can think of a few true crime documentaries from which he might have picked up a few ideas. Edit: BTW, admitting to the police where he got the idea on how to cut up the body is not the same thing as trying to deflect responsibility or culpability for the crime.

I did not mean to suggest that there are no stray dogs in Thailand. All I was saying is that if you drive or walk through a typical Thai village and see 10-15 dogs lounging around, somebody has an ownership relationship with each and every one of those dogs, meaning that somebody is feeding them on a regular basis and they have a "home base" they "belong" to. The relationship between the dog and whoever is looking after it might be very tenuous and often consists of little more than daily feeding, but there's still a sense of ownership of the dog. If you want to label that a "stray" dog, OK. They're not dogs living out in the open, solely surviving by hunting and scavenging in the wild, with little regular contact with humans. In a village, a truly stray dog without any owner would be run out of town, so to speak, by the other dogs, and would most likely end up on the periphery of a village. These truly stray or what are sometimes referred to as "wild" dogs have no regular bond with any body or any home, and are mostly found out in remote peripheral areas. These are the dogs that you sometimes hear about good Samaritans taking pity on and leaving food for. That's what I would consider a truly stray dog, but if you want to label the village dogs described in the first paragraph as strays as well, OK, but I don't think most Thais would label those village dogs as strays. Very few village dogs have collars. That's a Western hallmark of "ownership" that doesn't really apply here. As far as an owner taking responsibility if the dog is involved in an accident being a test of whether a dog is a stray or not, I don't know for sure about this, but I think the attitude is that the operator of the vehicle is responsible for avoiding hitting it and if he doesn't, well, it's not the owner's responsibility. If you're saying that all dogs should have collars with name tags and vaccination tags, kept within a fenced yard, only be let out on a leash, and dog liability insurance should be mandatory, well, good luck with that. We both know that's not gonna happen any time soon.

The dogs aren't strays. 99.5% have an owner. Problem is not everyone can afford a fence.

Early morning. No one's on the road. Been cooped up inside for days on end with all the rain. Weather's refreshingly cool. Figured the ground was too muddy for dogs to be out and about. Time to open up the throttle and let the wind rip through your hair. Tough break.

...or the financial markets

I saw that detail after the fact in the full Pattaya News article as well. My point was that at 5 AM and out in the countryside (which is where this accident occurred) , chances are that he was getting an early start to the day rather than heading home after a long night of partying. The post I was responding to seemed to be inferring that at that hour of the morning he was probably up to no good.

People out in the countryside start their days early. Morning vendors routinely rise at 4 am and earlier. This kid could have been on his way to help his parents set up a food stall, heading to a an early morning part-time job, maybe even just running a quick errand for his parents. Collision happened while it was still dark. On occasion dogs chasing a motorcycle will unexpectedly freeze right in the oncoming headlights. This happened to me once on an early morning bicycle ride, and its very hard to avoid a collision because it happens so suddenly. I suspect that's what may have happened here. RIP.

Are Pattaya's recreational marijuana shops attracting Thai teenagers and young men? Haven't been to Pattaya in a very long time, but can't recall ever seeing large groups of young Thai men hanging out on Beach Road. Armed suggests possible gang or criminal activity. What's going on? Any thoughts on this would be welcome.