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Be thankful they did not fold it

Have had that happen.

PS. The reason why only 1 carries is because other one is a driver. Yes I know but that's how it is . 1 driver 1 guy who caries

There are too many things people can list.

The only realistic one which i think would help many foreigners is having translation services available at most banks and government agency's

Example being, in Australia, when you go to any government agency or a bank or a hospital, they have translation services available at hand,

Just a phone call to connect and help is there.

I think language barriers creates more problems than anything else.

Surely you will also need to provide proof of Tax being paid (if the staff achieve the taxation level) and their social security registration plus payments....

Nope, only need to show social security payments for previous 3 months prior to WP expiry

Fedex has best deals for 10 kg box.

It must be their box.

Price works out to be cheaper than Thailand post and gets there in 3 days.

I don't get why you didn't at least take them out of the sidecar, but chose to push them.

If I were in that position I'd use the rope that all people should carry in case of emergencies to make a rudimentary harness for a couple of the largest dogs and hook them up to the bike. A stick would make them go in the right direction, even if not trained.

BTW I have driven a dog sled so I know something about it.

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Take them out of the side car and do what? let them run loose fighting with soi dogs? or tie them up to sidecar and prey they do not get run over by passing car or a bike?

People should carry ropes? May be a gas mask as well, just in case?

Just when i thought it could not get anymore stupid, here you come

Glad to hear you have driven dog sled, that just made you an expert on bike, side cars, ropes and everything else.

i also fly frequently, i guess i now qualify to be a pilot or at least tell pilot how to fly

Moral of the story:

I guess the moral of the story is, we more than often read on TV about bad things Thai people do and Thai bashing, but there are some great people, who do help others, including a sweaty, tired, foreigner without wanting money or anything else in return.

Thailand is full of wonderful people.

But.

You had around about 150 Kg of dog and did not get them to pull the bike

You do understand dogs are not horses or Bulls ?

Eskimoes have been using huskies ( dogs ) to pull them around for centuries.

In case you forgot, Amundsen used them to go to the South Pole. They still use them in the north and there is a famous race called the The Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race.

In case you did not realzie my dogs are not huskies or malamutes, there is no snow in Thailand and my dogs are house pets, not working slay dogs

Lies & people trying to save face.

Friends telling friends they've won at court is rubbish

To the OP, how much have you lost?

Let's go from there.

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So basing it on bar stool banter in other words

No

It's based on experience & all lies people tell to make themselves look bigger.

So, how much are we talking? Come on, divulge

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So...... bar stools

Lies & people trying to save face.

Friends telling friends they've won at court is rubbish

To the OP, how much have you lost?

Let's go from there.

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So basing it on bar stool banter in other words

DW... The OP asked if there where success stories and it's value in going through this process ! Now the OP knows there is ... I do agree with you on a couple of points it could be and I'm sure has been a quagmire for many and probably, definitely we are in the minority but that wasn't the question... I was told too forget it also but decided to take my chance and that's all I'm saying in my reply my friend.. I'm personally not an American and hadn't had any experience in court proceedings prior but don't know about the other members on this thread.

In honesty there are no success stories so other posters are just making things up for bravado as they've lost money too and saying they've got it back is like the million + baht being in their bank account again rather then that house in Issan on that plot of land that was theirs but never really theirs.

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You state with certainty there are no success stories.

What are you basing your assertions on?

Thanks for the update Mid.

The wheels of justice move very slowly in Thailand.

Why could they have not reached this decision years ago? What new evidence has been submitted to account for this volte face ?

I've been to long prem as a visitor and can only think that to be banged up anywhere if you are innocent must be real mental torture.

In this case much worse, as he was on a death row

So this guy was wrongfully convicted and spent 8 year in jail, i wonder if Thai system have compensation scheme or can be sued.

8 years is not exactly a joy ride, 8 years of someone's life totally wasted.

As a farang, it is advisable to avoid litigation in Thailand. The deck is stacked against us.

Most Thai defendants in civil cases are judgment-proof... if they aren't when the trial begins, they will be before it is over.

Bullshit!

A friend of mine, a foreigner sued a Thai for unpaid work and won.

Another friend, also a foreigner, sued a Thai for unpaid rent and broken contract on commercial property, 3 years in court and also won.

I sued biggest bike retailer in Pattaya and won. Ok, i did not win the full amount i wanted, but won enough to satisfy me

Bullshit?

My post was sound advice.

Any farang who initiates civil litigation in Thailand is stepping into a quagmire.

Your stories - assuming veracity - are exceptions to the usual outcome.

You were lucky, or maybe you entered the fray with alacrity and fought to the bitter end.

If your posts are anything to go by, you sound like an alpha male... a type familiar to all Americans from school, from work, and from the military.

A court of law might be your natural habitat where you exercise your abilities and dominate strength, much like the gladiators did in the arena.

For most people, that is not the case; and anybody who takes legal action in Thailand with the expectation of a significant reward needs a check-up from the neck up.

Stop talking out of your backside, giving out false information and advice based on rumors and what you heard in the bar.

NO different to bull rumors that foreigner always at fault in case of accidents. Sure if you act like a dick, you would be.

So are you saying, as part of granting judgment for the plaintiffs, the courts in those two cases also required the defendants to cover the plaintiffs' legal fees above and beyond the judgment amounts?

I can only answer you with certainty from personal experience.

I sued for losses plus legal fees.

I was given all legal fees, but not the full asking amount for losses.

When you file a case, you have option to ask for legal fees, all depends on courts if it will grant all or partial fees.

In Thailand, similar as in most other country's, the person who wins the court case will get awarded legal fees. Unfortunately in Thailand, similar as in most other country's, the rewarded fees are only a fraction of the lawyers real cost.

Not true!!... In my case... I was awarded full reimbursement of all costs and principal debt...

So in Thailand a lawyer can charge whatever he likes and the judge will award it?

That isn't what a Thai lawyer told me a few months ago, when I asked him about, and also doesn't seem to be what is quoted in Langsuan Man's post .

The lawyer in question answered me the same, as what is my experience in the western courts, and that is that a judge awards a certain amount as litigation costs, but the Lawyers real charges are likely to be higher than the awarded amount.

I am guessing lawyer you spoke to was either a scammer or not experienced in court litigation or was not sure if he could win.

In my case, legal fees were agreed upon before filing , contract signed and money paid.

Courts awarded my costs. May be if your legal fees are by the hour, then you would be out of pocket.

Neither, guaranted to be held in customs and taxed plus holding fees.

Use registered or ems,

So are you saying, as part of granting judgment for the plaintiffs, the courts in those two cases also required the defendants to cover the plaintiffs' legal fees above and beyond the judgment amounts?

I can only answer you with certainty from personal experience.

I sued for losses plus legal fees.

I was given all legal fees, but not the full asking amount for losses.

When you file a case, you have option to ask for legal fees, all depends on courts if it will grant all or partial fees.

In Thailand, similar as in most other country's, the person who wins the court case will get awarded legal fees. Unfortunately in Thailand, similar as in most other country's, the rewarded fees are only a fraction of the lawyers real cost.

Are you telling me how it is in Thailand after i just posted my personal experience going through courts?

So are you saying, as part of granting judgment for the plaintiffs, the courts in those two cases also required the defendants to cover the plaintiffs' legal fees above and beyond the judgment amounts?

I can only answer you with certainty from personal experience.

I sued for losses plus legal fees.

I was given all legal fees, but not the full asking amount for losses.

When you file a case, you have option to ask for legal fees, all depends on courts if it will grant all or partial fees.

As a farang, it is advisable to avoid litigation in Thailand. The deck is stacked against us.

Most Thai defendants in civil cases are judgment-proof... if they aren't when the trial begins, they will be before it is over.

Bullshit!

A friend of mine, a foreigner sued a Thai for unpaid work and won.

Another friend, also a foreigner, sued a Thai for unpaid rent and broken contract on commercial property, 3 years in court and also won.

I sued biggest bike retailer in Pattaya and won. Ok, i did not win the full amount i wanted, but won enough to satisfy me

I guess an important question would be....

In each of the three cases you mentioned above, what percentage of the ultimate judgment actually received got eaten up along the way in terms of total attorney, court, police and other related fees?

It might be great to receive a 100,000 baht judgment against a defendant after three years in court, but not so great if the total fees and costs to get to that point almost equal the judgment received.

My case, all costs covered by defendant.

First case, cost him 20K in total, to recover 80k

Second case, i am not too sure on costs, but according to him, legal(lawyer) fees covered by defendant, not too sure about court fees

As a farang, it is advisable to avoid litigation in Thailand. The deck is stacked against us.

Most Thai defendants in civil cases are judgment-proof... if they aren't when the trial begins, they will be before it is over.

Bullshit!

A friend of mine, a foreigner sued a Thai for unpaid work and won.

Another friend, also a foreigner, sued a Thai for unpaid rent and broken contract on commercial property, 3 years in court and also won.

I sued biggest bike retailer in Pattaya and won. Ok, i did not win the full amount i wanted, but won enough to satisfy me

Just like with any other country, if defendant is not worth a baht, you can not get water out of stone.

However if he/she has something in their name, then yes you would be able to get paid.

However again, unlike courts back home, where Sheriffs can go to defendants home or office and seize items worth amount owed, in Thailand it is a much more difficult process, as more court dates would be needed to issue such an order and then coordinate it with police(where some donations would be needed) for them to act

Hate to say, but Lazada has a few choices at pretty good prices.

Also Chubb has a good choice.

As for being able to carry it, well i got a 50kg safe and i can tell you its not as easy as some may think. 2 people struggle to carry it, so for thief it would not be an easy task

Now the one i got is a scrolling combo, plus a key. Again if i piss the number by a mm, i have to restart again.

Moral of the story:

I guess the moral of the story is, we more than often read on TV about bad things Thai people do and Thai bashing, but there are some great people, who do help others, including a sweaty, tired, foreigner without wanting money or anything else in return.

Thailand is full of wonderful people.

But.

You had around about 150 Kg of dog and did not get them to pull the bike

You do understand dogs are not horses or Bulls ?

Of course I don't.

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But I do understand that if I had 150KG of dog. I would not be pushing a bike with said dogs in the sidecar.

So glad you are on the ball

So while in the park, in the middle of nowhere, i could construct one of this,With my lighter and teeth cut down a few trees, possibly make a rope and a harness, actually 6 harnesses, then make a hook out of ...... then saddle all in, train them up to pull in one direction at the same time.

Gee... i only wish i had your innovative brain or your number so you could suggest this to me

Moral of the story:

I guess the moral of the story is, we more than often read on TV about bad things Thai people do and Thai bashing, but there are some great people, who do help others, including a sweaty, tired, foreigner without wanting money or anything else in return.

Thailand is full of wonderful people.

But.

You had around about 150 Kg of dog and did not get them to pull the bike

You do understand dogs are not horses or Bulls ?

Thailand is of course full or lovely, kind and wonderful people... This is normal for most of us here.

In fact, I find Thailand not much different from anywhere else, there is always someone ready to offer kind assistance where needed. Its great that for the most part people are inherently good.

Much like anywhere else Thailand also has its negative side; often discussed on this forum and much like anywhere else in the world.

The fact that specific attention has been drawn to these kind acts suggests they may not be the norm, thus creating an ironic and somewhat paradoxical thread... i.e. by outlining on this forum that there are great people here in Thailand also suggests some form of rarity in that its not a daily occurrence to meet great and lovely people (which of course is wrong).

Example: Great food - we are used it, but never feel the need to write about it unless its exceptional or terrible - Thus Great food is the norm in Thailand.

Anyway - Yes, I get the point of the Op: There are too many negative posts and he wishes to address the balance and offer positive examples.

Yep you nailed it.

Whenever someone has a bad experience or been scammed or mistreated , they always make a post, but hardly ever people make posts about positive experiences.

Also to the contrary believe of many that shops like to rip off foreigners, in this case shop offered free service , after seeing what I look like having pushed 300kg for about 45 mins.

Another important factor is that this happened in Pattaya and as you know Pattaya bashing has no limits. So despite all the hookers, thieves and scammers there are decent people in Pattaya

just a question, with 6 dogs and in your sidecar, if one of them crap, i am sure you never be responsible of it and go pick it up right ?

Crap where? inside car? and i go to pick it up where?

Lets try to use brain for a change

Yes there is the odd good un out there.

Today i got to meet 3.

I think i should but lottery this week