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Dogs howling and barking all night sterns from the natural and the supernatural. This is something that no one has thought of. Dogs are believed to have four eyes and they see things that we can't see with our two eyes. Has anyone noticed dogs howling when Monks are passing around? Why do they howl at Monks? Why do they howl at some moments at night? When dogs see some supernatural spirits of course they howl at them. Most of those spirits move at night. Whether a dog is trained to be as gentle as what, it will always howl or bark when it sees these spirits.

My 6 year old pitbul, would not move her fat ass from the sofa to howl at anything day time, let alone night time.

Not sure where you got all these imaginative information from, If anything the myth is cats are the ones with super vision, most certainly not dogs.

They howl at monks because monks carry food

But before doing that, consider the possible consequences for these dogs if their owners have to get rid of them.

The question is why do they howl all night? Well cared for dogs will not do this unless there is an intruder or other reason to raise an alarm.

Some whining expats love to exaggerate things, the reality is far from it.

In my moobaan, when i first moved in there were robberies on daily basis.

Since my gang of 6 moved in, there has not been a single robbery or a break in.

On the opposite side, robberies are a nightly occurrence.

My dogs know all the people who live there and ONLY go nuts when someone who they do not know approaches the house or walks past.

This most certainly wakes up the neighbors, but then who would be wondering around in dead end street in close gated housing?

One neighbor decided to complain and was abused by all others, stating if it was not for my dogs, they would be robbed daily.

I always keep mine inside the house, but all neighbors insists i put them outside at night, as it really gives them peace of mind.

PS. I am certain dogs do not howl all night long, but might let out a few howls here the there.

Dogs didn't stop the many break-ins where I live. The thieves just poisoned the dogs.

Well mine are well and alive

Love super intelligent people who just can not read and comprehend.

Here show me which one is hot water machine https://www2.directtoshop.com/category/11089

In normal everyone of this over 15.000 THB. You don't must mean because the shop doesn't wrote details it must be all cold washers. It's just to much to wrote for some webmasters.

This shop has product details in Thai. Just translate it. http://www.powerbuy.co.th/en/d/frontloaders

Hence i clearly wrote, may be it does exist but i have not seen it

Taam area is the area around wat taam.

Troll and sadly enough proud of it. Climb back to your hole and stay there

Temples use PA system? or you referring to Mosques?

Naturally i would not know much as oppose to a expert like yourself, but i live near Temple and work near another Temple and yet to hear any sound or noise coming from either of them.

Perhaps you live and work near those two temples for the deaf I read about? Or maybe yours are Trappist temples?

Other temples do indeed seem to make a great deal of noise on occasions. Most of them start just about the time that the illegal all-night karaoke bars are closing.

Please tell me times when Watchai uses PA system?

Also tell me times when Wat Taam uses PA System?

I thought Fawlty Towers was in Torquay or something, but thanks for warning me to stay away from Watchai or Taam area.

And I thought trolling was out of fashion , clearly not in your case.

Just out of curiosity, do tell where is Taam area?

I do not agree with hanging. It's just too easy.

I believe life without parole in solitary is best punishment

https://www.facebook.com/StandWithUs/videos/10153279991132689/

Sara Zoabi - an Israeli, Muslim and a Zionist, speaks out in the Israeli Knesset against incitement and what life is really like in Israel.

Thailand does not have hot water machines, because water heating is done by the heater not a central system.

May be exists somewhere i am yet to see it after 15 years.

555!!!! Can it be that your last shopping trip was 30years ago?

When you was last time in a big shop like Tesco Lotus, Big C, Powerbuy, Numchai, ...!!!!

They have a lot of HOT WATER washing machines and dryers. And this for sure over the last 15 years.

Just more expensive. Prices start at 15.000 THB!!!

Love super intelligent people who just can not read and comprehend.

Here show me which one is hot water machine https://www2.directtoshop.com/category/11089

So after speaking with Consumer Protection Board it seems like yes, they can help me get my deposit back based on my contract and the situation. Unfortunately, I would need to begin by filing a police report and provide the report to them and then wait for 60 days of resolution.

I'll have to sleep on it, but the last thing I want is to have some weird situation sitting in the police database with my name attached and/or spend time in the police station filing statements. Although I haven't done anything wrong, just having my name in the police system weird me out a little bit. I'm not so much upset about losing 60k baht deposit more than I am upset about the people cashing in on the deposit through lies/deception and really poor behavior. It's just really messed up and makes me lose faith in people a little bit.

At the same it's the first time I've ever been burned like this as a renter, and now that I've experienced it once, I'll definitely never trust anyone again...

Not to be an ass, but you posted at 19:29 pm on Sunday and at 22:40 you spoke to OCPB?

So they were open in the evening on Sunday night?

They told you to file police report about what? not having washer or someone entering your apartment some weeks ago?

No, I actually have Thai associates who work for the government who I detailed the situation to prior to making this post. They called CPB for me (before I saw a link that was posted earlier in this thread) and detailed the situation along with reading them the details of my contract. I need to file a police report indicating all the events that transpired as well as the their refusal to talk to me, hire a mediator, or follow through with the the deposit refund that the contract states I'm entitled to. My friends have been begging to help me for several days now, but I've kept them out of it 'til now as I don't like depending on people.

From what I understand the police won't do anything except issue a report or "note" which I provide to CPB. I didn't spend too much time getting further details as once I found that I needed to get the police involved I decided to step back and think about it. I would have much preferred to contact an attorney, but this isn't the west and I guess things aren't handled the same. I might contact one just to get his input anyway.

I'm not sure why you think I'd come on here to lie? That wouldn't do me any good...

Anyway thanks to all of you who tried to help. And sorry to those who I apparently offended or something by expecting people to have some sort of morality and self-righteousness.

Good luck ,hope it works out for you.

Well you conveniently forgot to read, and include in you drivel post, this line in the same OP.

A friend of mine looked at the lease and says that the clauses that state I'd be refunded were omitted from the thai language version... I'm sure on purpose as well.

How would the OP's friend be able to look at the contract if he didn't have one? Maybe he got it when he turned in the key?

Back to the guesthouse counter Lemoncake.

OP has a piece of paper signed only by OP. And then on top It's different in 2 languages

Good luck with that in court or in police station

I am sure police and courts will accept English version .

Hard to believe the amount of stupid people posting utter drivel without using any logic at all.

So after speaking with Consumer Protection Board it seems like yes, they can help me get my deposit back based on my contract and the situation. Unfortunately, I would need to begin by filing a police report and provide the report to them and then wait for 60 days of resolution.

I'll have to sleep on it, but the last thing I want is to have some weird situation sitting in the police database with my name attached and/or spend time in the police station filing statements. Although I haven't done anything wrong, just having my name in the police system weird me out a little bit. I'm not so much upset about losing 60k baht deposit more than I am upset about the people cashing in on the deposit through lies/deception and really poor behavior. It's just really messed up and makes me lose faith in people a little bit.

At the same it's the first time I've ever been burned like this as a renter, and now that I've experienced it once, I'll definitely never trust anyone again...

Not to be an ass, but you posted at 19:29 pm on Sunday and at 22:40 you spoke to OCPB?

So they were open in the evening on Sunday night?

They told you to file police report about what? not having washer or someone entering your apartment some weeks ago?

My friend has a dog and she can't change her house to get a new one because most houses will not accept a tenant with a dog. This is in Hat Yai. So many houses will not accept her to rent because she has a dog. Why? She said because of barking and disturbing neighbors. What do most of these women do with these small dogs? I keep seeing some funny things between them.

I believe Hat Yai is a muslim place,

Muslims hate dogs because something about being dirty animal.

I am guessing the reason for not being able to get a house is muslim owners

Good reasoning and I will find out from her. On the other hand I don't think all the houses that she has gone to are owned by Muslims. She has visited quite many and always can't rent it out to a dog owner.

I think you will find thats the reason and if not muslim owned, muslim owners.

There is a muslim soi in Pattaya, just opposite the mosque, they start to go nuts even if you walk down the soi with a dog

My friend has a dog and she can't change her house to get a new one because most houses will not accept a tenant with a dog. This is in Hat Yai. So many houses will not accept her to rent because she has a dog. Why? She said because of barking and disturbing neighbors. What do most of these women do with these small dogs? I keep seeing some funny things between them.

I believe Hat Yai is a muslim place,

Muslims hate dogs because something about being dirty animal.

I am guessing the reason for not being able to get a house is muslim owners

Not exactly hell .......

Total overreaction on your part based on your inexperience.

You want special stuff done, you get an agreement in writing, then don't pay or move in until it's done.

Nobody made you hand the table over to a random woman with a key.

What part is an overreaction? The fact that I do not feel comfortable when groups of people are entering my room while I'm sleeping or the fact that I think I should get my deposit refunded when my lease states that I should? Or you also think it's okay for furniture to be removed from a place you've rented after you're already living there?

I understand I should have got the washer/dryer, table replacement, room cleaning, in writing. It is my mistake to trust someone... But like I said, I have rented lots of places before and never imagined that I would be blatantly lied to. I'm a nice guy... so yes it's stupid for me to think that people will placy nice back in return.

For me, not being able to shower, wash my clothes, and have people entering without permission is my idea of "hell"... And even if it's not hell it's reason enough that that I felt I had no choice to leave, even if only for the fact that other people have access to the room. I mean... cmon the owner says she didn't know I lived there and I had been there a week already? I was there with the agent when she was talking to the owner on the phone. But it's unclear who the owner even is since I am refused all details!

Mate, what you have to understand is that you have no evidence to prove any of this? Do you understand?

Did you make video of people in your room?

Did you make video of them removing things from condo?

Wise, would have been to have a meeting, and amend things that were removed from the condo, and later you could have used that as evidence.

I understand your frustration and anger, but sadly you really are out of luck, as i mentioned in my other post.

Without any evidence, its your word against hers or whoever and it means you get nothing.

You severely criticize the OP for not having 'evidence' but without any 'evidence' you make numerous absolute assumptions.

OP, suggest you ignore this guy.

What assumptions did i make?

Did you have some advise for OP? besides ignoring me?

Now you stop trolling. He paid the full amount for what?

Where on the receipt it says what was included? You claim that the duty of evidence is one sided?

Are you really that thick? or just can not understand basic English?

OP stated he paid one month rent and 2 month deposit

DO you really struggle to comprehend that by paying full amount and moving in, OP accepted whatever contract may say, even if he did not have it or seen it

Please educate yourself a little, as clearly you never owned any property to rent to even comprehend how it works.

Its pretty clearly, you are clueless, so stop trolling

Statement from the OP in post #25

Yes, I am just asking if I have any legal case, primarily on the count that my lease states clearly that I should be refunded my deposit if the lease is terminated due to reasons that are of no fault of my own

Now who is the thick one? Now tell us again how they gonna add a page to that contract, that you claim there isn't ?

You

From the OP

So after another week I find another room and move my stuff out. I was there a total of 3 weeks. The agent had never brought me the signed copy of the lease from the owner (she put herself as the lessor), so I only have her contact details. I contact her and let her know all the things that happened and the reason I had to leave, starting with the fact that they did not deliver the washer/dryer as promised and ending with the fact that there was an intrusion from the "owner" who removed furnishings after I had already been living there.

Totally agree with MaeJom

You also state ghetto washing machine ONLY cold water,

Thailand does not have hot water machines, because water heating is done by the heater not a central system.

May be exists somewhere i am yet to see it after 15 years.

Washer/dryer cost a fortune,really not sure why you believed they would give you new one and reduce the rent.

As you have nothing in writing, and have no evidence to support any of your claims or experience, i am sorry to say your money is gone.

They could get even more nasty if they wanted too and claim you stole the table and whatever else they can think of.

Sorry but not much you can do and i doubt anyone can help, mainly because no evidence at all

Not true - Washing machine heats up the incoming cold water unless its a crappy 5000 baht cheap one.

Decent dryers can be bought for 14,000 baht (new).

Why do I know this? I'm renting out my Apartment and have provide a Washing machine and a dryer.

Ironically enough for the Op - my unit is rented for 30,000 baht per month...

It seems the Op has made a mistake in signing the lease too early before agreements were made.

Unfortunately when renting it takes two decent parties for it to be a successful experience.

As a Landlord I find the Ops distress understandable and I empathise.

Moving forwards I'm not sure what the Op can do about this situation though.

See my 4th sentence?

I have 13000 baht Panasonic and it does not heat up water.

Now with your assertion of price, you think landlord would spend 15K on washer and another 15 K on dryer? thats one month rent

Then give another 1 month rent to agent and then reduce the rent?

It is not about right or wrong, but what OP can prove and in this case -NOTHING.

Any modifications that the landlord spends does not vanish and does not go into my pockets. If he puts a 30k washing machine in the unit it stays with the unit for as long as it is functioning and raises the value of his unit allowing him to rent for a higher price.

It was clear that the unit I had moved into had not been lived in for a long time, so even if providing a 30k washing machine it pays for itself over the course of 1 month. The agents and owner KNEW that I would not agree to the unit without them agreeing to the washer/dryer so if they had turned down my proposal they would've lost more money if the unit had went unrented even 2 more months and most likely a lot longer than that. And now they are going to be losing even more cash because they lost a tenant who would be paying an additional 11 months or 330,000 which they could have earned honestly.

Instead they obviously agreed to it because the knew I'd pass if they said no, and once I paid they just said "<deleted> it" and put in the cheapest washing machine they could find so they could pocket the additional cash. Trust me... it's cheap. I saw the unit at the store and it was the cheapest model.

Mate, you still failing to understand.

I am not against you and you do not need to argue with me.

I am telling you the hard truth.

All your justifications may well be valid, ONLY its totally useless in your situation, because you have NO PROOF.

PS. What makes you think they will not be able to rent it out with high season coming up?

You applying your Western logic, assuming locals think the same way, fact is they do not

Sadly, he is not wrong.

US does not own Syria, nor does it have any right to support the rebels

US presence is really a violation of Syrian sovereignty, could even be interpreted as an act of war.

Equally what right has the IS to be in Syria. Is that not an act of war also?

So following your logic, because IS in Syria, US also has the right to go into Syria and back rebels?

I'm not American.

I never said you were. I said American point of view

Now you stop trolling. He paid the full amount for what?

Where on the receipt it says what was included? You claim that the duty of evidence is one sided?

OP stated he paid one month rent and 2 month deposit

DO you really struggle to comprehend that by paying full amount and moving in, OP accepted whatever contract may say, even if he did not have it or seen it

Please educate yourself a little, as clearly you never owned any property to rent to even comprehend how it works.

Its pretty clearly, you are clueless, so stop trolling

Totally agree with MaeJom

You also state ghetto washing machine ONLY cold water,

Thailand does not have hot water machines, because water heating is done by the heater not a central system.

May be exists somewhere i am yet to see it after 15 years.

Washer/dryer cost a fortune,really not sure why you believed they would give you new one and reduce the rent.

As you have nothing in writing, and have no evidence to support any of your claims or experience, i am sorry to say your money is gone.

They could get even more nasty if they wanted too and claim you stole the table and whatever else they can think of.

Sorry but not much you can do and i doubt anyone can help, mainly because no evidence at all

Not true - Washing machine heats up the incoming cold water unless its a crappy 5000 baht cheap one.

Decent dryers can be bought for 14,000 baht (new).

Why do I know this? I'm renting out my Apartment and have provide a Washing machine and a dryer.

Ironically enough for the Op - my unit is rented for 30,000 baht per month...

It seems the Op has made a mistake in signing the lease too early before agreements were made.

Unfortunately when renting it takes two decent parties for it to be a successful experience.

As a Landlord I find the Ops distress understandable and I empathise.

Moving forwards I'm not sure what the Op can do about this situation though.

See my 4th sentence?

I have 13000 baht Panasonic and it does not heat up water.

Now with your assertion of price, you think landlord would spend 15K on washer and another 15 K on dryer? thats one month rent

Then give another 1 month rent to agent and then reduce the rent?

It is not about right or wrong, but what OP can prove and in this case -NOTHING.

So how do they add a page with items, as you suggested, to a non existing contract?

trolling clearly.

HE DOES NOT HAVE A CONTRACT

They could put anything they want, have him charged and arrested and then he can argue with no evidence of what he had or did not have

Yes they could put anything they want in a contract, but as long as it isn't signed by both parties the landlord can also not claim anything.

He paid the full amount and moved in. Yes they can

So how do they add a page with items, as you suggested, to a non existing contract?

trolling clearly.

HE DOES NOT HAVE A CONTRACT

They could put anything they want, have him charged and arrested and then he can argue with no evidence of what he had or did not have

Totally agree with MaeJom

You also state ghetto washing machine ONLY cold water,

Thailand does not have hot water machines, because water heating is done by the heater not a central system.

May be exists somewhere i am yet to see it after 15 years.

Washer/dryer cost a fortune,really not sure why you believed they would give you new one and reduce the rent.

As you have nothing in writing, and have no evidence to support any of your claims or experience, i am sorry to say your money is gone.

They could get even more nasty if they wanted too and claim you stole the table and whatever else they can think of.

Sorry but not much you can do and i doubt anyone can help, mainly because no evidence at all

You haven't seen a washing machine with hot water in Thailand yet, and you claim to have an upperclass hotel?

And dryers costing a fortune? Well for some people 15K maybe is a fortune.

And no they couldn't claim he stole the table, because if the table isn't in the contract then the table doesn't exist for the renter as well as for the landlord

For starters please get your facts right before trolling and posting drivel.

I never claimed to own an upper class hotel and even if i did, it has little to do with seeing washers with hot water

Secondly put on your reading glasses before posting yet more drivel, OP clearly stated he wanted washer/dryer combo. those do not cost 15 k

And even assuming dryers cost 15K it is a fortune for a rental property, might be wise to have some idea on the subject before posting drivel. Yes i am sure your pension pays for your penthouse in the heart of the city

And lastly, he does not have a contract, i suggest you read again, Adding a page with items to a contract which he does not have, would take less than 2 mins.

Adding a page with items to a contract needs to be counter signed by the renter to be valid, you smarty.

And please don't get me going LemonCookie.

Which part of he does not have a contract you struggle to understand?

Is it just the matter of having last word no matter how silly it sounds, or you really are that clueless?

Get you going? please no more drivel, already had enough

Totally agree with MaeJom

You also state ghetto washing machine ONLY cold water,

Thailand does not have hot water machines, because water heating is done by the heater not a central system.

May be exists somewhere i am yet to see it after 15 years.

Washer/dryer cost a fortune,really not sure why you believed they would give you new one and reduce the rent.

As you have nothing in writing, and have no evidence to support any of your claims or experience, i am sorry to say your money is gone.

They could get even more nasty if they wanted too and claim you stole the table and whatever else they can think of.

Sorry but not much you can do and i doubt anyone can help, mainly because no evidence at all

I'm sitting in a condo right now with a washing machine that has hot water? Every other condo I've rented in Thailand had a washing machine that could heat water. Yes, they are more expensive than the ghetto cold water only machines but they are freely available at homeworks, powerbuy, tesco or any other place that sells washing machines. I'd say at least 75% of condos I've viewed had a washing machine that could heat water or a washer/dryer combo. So I don't know what you're talking about.... Also keep in mind that I am paying for a fairly expensive condo in a fairly expensive building. Putting a 5k baht washing top loading washing machine in one of these units would only decrease the value.

And I assumed that they would give me one because so many units I had already viewed had a washer/dryer already! I only agreed to this because I thought 30k per month was a deal vs the 40k or so would've paid for a unit that already had it. The agents knew this as well.

The agent has acknowledged that she promised me a washer/dryer and the owner has acknowledged the the entry without permission and the removal of furniture. There are security cameras at the condo I live in, there is no need for them to deny it... The evidence is there. They also can't claim I took a table because again... security cameras would see it.

Basically what you are saying is that once you pay, the owner can do whatever the F*** they want and you can't do anything about it. Maybe that's the case, but I don't want to believe it. What's to prevent them from pulling this shit on anyone who comes to rent from them? It sure is making them a lot more money than just having a happy tenant.

For the life of me, i have no idea why you arguing with me, i am not the one who owes you money.

Fine, you know better, You have made your knowledge known in your OP.

All the best getting footage from condo management. You really are clueless

All the best

Totally agree with MaeJom

You also state ghetto washing machine ONLY cold water,

Thailand does not have hot water machines, because water heating is done by the heater not a central system.

May be exists somewhere i am yet to see it after 15 years.

Washer/dryer cost a fortune,really not sure why you believed they would give you new one and reduce the rent.

As you have nothing in writing, and have no evidence to support any of your claims or experience, i am sorry to say your money is gone.

They could get even more nasty if they wanted too and claim you stole the table and whatever else they can think of.

Sorry but not much you can do and i doubt anyone can help, mainly because no evidence at all

You haven't seen a washing machine with hot water in Thailand yet, and you claim to have an upperclass hotel?

And dryers costing a fortune? Well for some people 15K maybe is a fortune.

And no they couldn't claim he stole the table, because if the table isn't in the contract then the table doesn't exist for the renter as well as for the landlord

For starters please get your facts right before trolling and posting drivel.

I never claimed to own an upper class hotel and even if i did, it has little to do with seeing washers with hot water

Secondly put on your reading glasses before posting yet more drivel, OP clearly stated he wanted washer/dryer combo. those do not cost 15 k

And even assuming dryers cost 15K it is a fortune for a rental property, might be wise to have some idea on the subject before posting drivel. Yes i am sure your pension pays for your penthouse in the heart of the city

And lastly, he does not have a contract, i suggest you read again, Adding a page with items to a contract which he does not have, would take less than 2 mins.