Harsh Jones

I will repeat, nothing justifies dropping the aircraft short on the runway like they did. Not even a 2 engine flame out. Whenever there is no other options left, ditching is the procedure. And it would be in their checklist. Pilots are supposed to be robotic and are trained to be. They would have followed the shoreline until they bled off sufficient speed and then ditch the aircraft. Ditching is a proper procedure in an emergency when there is no other realistic option: Procedures The flight crew must follow key steps, including: Broadcasting a Mayday call to alert air traffic control and rescue services Instructing passengers to put on life jackets and secure seatbelts Providing clear instructions on brace positions and emergency procedures Factors for a successful ditching The most important factors are the sea, ocean conditions, and wind, as well as the type of aircraft and the skill of the pilots. Survival tips If possible, ditch near a benign shoreline and seek out shipping if any are within range. Strap in tightly, protect your head and legs, and use soft items to restrain excessive movement.

They had functioning flight surface controls when they landed it. This is why the belly landing was trimmed, level and straight. If they did not have flight controls/hydraulics, the landing would have looked like the Azerbaijan aircraft. That aircraft had no hydraulics. And the only way they were steering and trimming the aircraft was with differential thrust.

The plane did not run out of altitude or air speed. They flew it to the ground and did not have to. You cant fly a plane from 2000 feet to 100 feet and then say you didn't have altitude or time to respond.

No. Unless the cockpit was literally on fire, no.

There is no circumstance where doing what they did was the proper procedural course of action. (other than fire) That is the problem. People keep bringing up a dual engine failure when we are just using that for arguments sake. It is much more likely that it was not a dual engine failure.

Even if there was a dual engine failure on final, the procedure is not to panic land the aircraft like they did. That is just not how any of this works. Ever. This is why every pilot on Youtube is just lost for words about this incident. There was a Canadian airliner years ago that ran out of fuel. It glided for 120 kilometers and landed without incident. There was an airliner with a dual engine bird strike and failure in Russia recently. They glided the plane 1 kilometer from the airport into a field. Slamming the aircraft down onto the ground on the last 3rd of the runway, not giving yourself enough distance to slow down is not an acceptable plan under pretty much any circumstance.

One thing that could have disoriented and caused the pilots to drop the aircraft was smoke in the cockpit. There is a recent report about bird struck engines causing smoke in the cockpit for the 737 Max with the CFM engines. This wasn't a Max but the engines were CFM. Maybe this is a possibility even though it wasn't a Max. But you can see light through the windscreen in the video so I am a bit skeptical of this theory https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/19/business/smoke-cabin-boeing-737-max-bird-strike/index.html

All airliners have hydraulic nitrogen accumulators that store pressurized fluid and provide backup power for various systems. Both engines could fall off mid flight and they would have hydraulics for hours. Hydraulic systems: Accumulators operate the main hydraulic system and the emergency system. Landing gear: Accumulators provide backup power for the landing gear. Brakes: Accumulators provide backup power for the brakes. Emergency applications: Accumulators provide backup power for emergency applications.

Because even with a double engine failure, he could have landed with flaps, spoilers and landing gear. Even with 2 engines gone, they still have nitrogen accumulator backups that pressurize the hydraulics. Plus some of the flight surfaces also have electric power backup. On the Hudson, Sully had hydraulics. His only concern was air speed and lack of it. The recent Russian airliner that landed in a corn field after both engines were hit by birds, also had full hydraulics.

The other engine was fine. It can even be heard running in the video. Every 6 months, pilots are proficiency checked for landing and taking off with one engine. There is no grand electrical failure that disables everything. And the pilots were still hand flying the aircraft when they landed. They were straight inline with the runway and leveled it off properly

The hydraulics is 3 times redundant on these aircraft before it even gets to the RAT. They did not lose hydraulics. The flight surfaces were still working. Hence how they lined it up with the runway and leveled it off properly for the belly landing. They lost one engine from a bird strike. Airliners can take off and land with one engine. And it is practiced all the time.

???? If they landed on the runway in the correct spot, or even half way, the aircraft would have enough distance to lose its momentum and come to a stop. The throttle was not stuck open. Just the resistance from the belly and the air will bring it to a stop.

This is also what I think and what most pilots think but just don't want to say outright. The pilots panic landed the aircraft without giving themselves time to go through even one checklist. Just abhorrent airmanship and CRM. It wasn't the belly landing that killed anyone. It was landing at the last 3rd of the runway, not giving themselves enough distance to slow down. The berm at the end of the runway is also a scandal. They make ILS antenna systems weak at the base so that aircraft can plow through them. But this one was too low so they built up the ground and even poured concrete onto it. They could have built it up with the same framing that the ILS antenna's are made of. And the craft would have hit it without destroying the hull. Yes, there is also a concrete parameter wall around the airport. But even those aren't that strong and can be punched through

If this isn't sarcasm, its one of the dumbest things written on these boards. The dating scene is an unmitigated disaster in the west. The whole bar scene is dead. It all stems from the #metoo movement and all the trouble men can find themselves in when they are around women consuming alcohol. The entire bar and nightclub scene in the west has been going bankrupt as a sector for the last 5 years.

Pattaya is the Bahamas compared to its equivalent in the Philippines

That is just what they found in her system. Most of the other drugs could have been residue from the past. I was friends with a guy who was into this. Someone who's sourcing cocaine in Thailand is deep into the drug scene and is more than likely taking a half dozen different drugs at any given time. People who are into stimulants also like Benzos for sleeping. They go hand in hand

A supply in an area usually starts to develop a reputation, if its the same seller who's getting it from the same place. Sometimes a supply can last for years. People slowly figure it out after trying it in small amounts. But then the cops bust a smuggling ring or a shipment and all of the intel and consistency of said supply is suddenly lost. Then a new supply shows up. Some people probably don't even know that its no longer the same thing. And then this happens. Basically all misery associated with drugs can be traced back to the prohibition laws that the good ol US of A spread around the world.

She was 36. And still traveling around SE Asia like she's 21

That's a dated urban myth. The street runoff in any seaside city only has one place to go. Street runoff is not sewage. And how many times has the beach been shut down for ecoli ? Plenty of beaches in Australia and around the world get shut down for ecoli

Brutal. He laid on those tracks motionless even as he could hear the train approaching.

Pattaya has been getting the same old criticism from the same group of people for 20 years. And yet it keeps growing and getting better.

Evidently Pattaya is doing something right considering how popular it is. Yet it is the butt end of jokes on here endlessly

Bryan is that you

Someone is triggered. Hmm I wonder why....."lol" And not only that, the premise I set out in my post is simply true. Foreigners snared in sex industry crack down as Thai police promise that wrong doers will be detected https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2018/06/18/thai-sex-industry-human-trafficking-in-thailand-online-western-men-thai-police/

Here's the story Richard He later said he started to remove them himself and then they assaulted him. Maybe he was within his rights to start moving them. But it was an escalation that I would have avoided until the cops arrived or something