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57 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

That's over 50% mortality among the diagnosed then. No idea how long it takes to recover from it, weeks? 

No.  That's less than 3% and that is considered overstated with the assumption that because symptoms can be very mild, then there are many people who have not reported sick.

If those were counted, then the mortality would come down quite sharply.

I'll repeat what I've stated on another forum:

I think people are pressing the panic button needlessly. Yes, of course it has to be contained simply because of the number of 'vulnerable' people it can affect. I've read that the pneumonia caused by this virus can't be treated like the 'normal' pneumonia which makes it even more dangerous to persons of ill health.
SARS vanished as a result of containment and I'm sure, if this latest virus is effectively contained, then it will eventually disappear in the same way.

Also:

Doctors in France, where they've confirmed 3 cases, are characterizing it as being less serious than either SARS or MERS - based not just on those cases but on information from colleagues worldwide.

Even if the 3% holds up.  That is still a 97% survival rate.

Reuters report that there are 1,975 cases in China with 56 deaths as of yesterday.

Still below 3% with speculation that many cases are not counted.  Mild effects that have not needed medical assistance.

27 minutes ago, SkyFax said:

As far as I am aware, at least so far, it has yet to be detected outside China when not linked directly to someone who is from or has recently visited Wuhan.

The case in Hua Hin was a lady who came direct from Wuhan on Jan 19th.

Apologies.  I misread your post.

4 hours ago, Thechook said:

Thailand came up with the cure for the Sars Virus and saved the world pretty quickly so I'm they will be all over this corona virus 

Really? 

There still is no cure for SARS.  It vanished after containment. 

All 31 suspected cases in the UK have been returned negative.

There are no cases so far in the UK.

It's not as dangerous as other coronavirus's.

Doctors agree that in time, most people will recover without treatment. People at risk are older people who have underlying health issues, like heart disease, hypertension, and diabetes. (That's the same demographic who is most at risk of dying from illnesses like the flu.)

The current fatality of 3% is considered over stated based on the assumption that because the majority only have mild symptoms, there are many who have not reported sick. If everyone with the virus was counted then the recorded fatality rate would drop.

It appears that normal healthy people will get symptoms of different severity but should recover without treatment.

1 hour ago, Chrysaora said:

Isn't it done by drawing blood?

That and/or respiratory specimens.  Then diagnosed in a lab. 

1 hour ago, Chrysaora said:

You didn't pay attention did you? 

 

There's no test in the field to identify someone infected yet not showing symptoms.

 

Next?

There is no test in the field to identify anyone with the virus whether showing symptoms or not.  The diagnosis can only be confirmed in a laboratory.

6 hours ago, Huckenfell said:

Why are they still allowing arrivals from China, does money come into it ?

 

The Philippines have just turned around 500 tourists from Wuhan and sent them back to China. 

It's reported that none of them showed any signs of the virus.

3 hours ago, Chrysaora said:

Suggest you all watch this in its entirety:

 

 

This guy goes against pretty much all the medical professors and scientists around the globe.

It is definitely identifiable in a laboratory so saying that there is no test for it is absolute BS.

There are strong disagreements among the medical profession whether it can be transmitted in the incubation period, from "100% not transmittable" to "We don't really know!"

The IP as stated from many sources is around 14 days.

The current fatality is around 2 - 3% and not expected to rise above that.  However, one thing that this guy got right is that it can and probably will mutate.

From the 100's of confirmed cases, it does appear that the severity is nowhere near that of SARS.

One last comment:

A case has now been confirmed (by the Chula laboratory) in Hua Hin.  That's where I live.

It was identified in a woman who came direct from Wuhan.  The news is that after only a few days, she is recovering well. 

1 minute ago, overherebc said:

I left Scotland late 80's and on a return visit early 70's I arrived in Glasgow about 2.30pm. It was a really hot day and I fancied a cold beer.

( everywhere I'd been was virtually 24 hr beer )

All the pubs were closed and I asked someone  is it a special holiday or something that has closed all the bars/pubs?

The guy looked at me as though I had horns, and then I remembered. ????????

The only country I know that used to have 'half day closing' for pubs.  Closed at 1pm.

20 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Off Licence Sales

Boring..... lol.

I lived in Scotland for some time back in the '60s when ordering a pint of bitter was returned with a blank look.  A pint of 'heavy' was the order of the day. And a 'wee heavy' was something else!

30 minutes ago, Elkski said:

This  wuhan virus looks real bad.  I admit I've wasted my day reading all I can about the wuhan virus.  I'm afraid it is worse than being reported.  Some doctors on the ground estimate 90,000 cases in wuhan.  It is asymptomatic  meaning can be transmitted  without showing symptoms.   Incubation  2-7 days but some people not really getting severe case.

Actually, reporting so far indicates that this is nowhere near the severity of SARS.  The symptoms are much milder and most recover of their own accord.  The death rate is currently reported at less than 3% and expected to settle around 2%.  The fatality rate for SARS was, according to sources, around 14%. 

Deaths are caused by related diseases such as pneumonia which is often fatal in elderly people.

3 hours ago, thasoss said:

Odd how all these viruses originate in china

 

Not really.  SARS was caused by eating meat from wild animal markets.  After SARS there was a massive drop in this illegal trade.  However, the business has picked up again and this virus has been identified as coming either from snakes or bats.

Where else in the world do you find such eating habits but China?

2 hours ago, galenjones said:

Airport fingerprint scanners can be very dangerous when it comes to disease transmission in general. I recommend every traveler to wash their hands intensively afterwards.

Well spotted.  The virus can be transmitted from a surface that has been touched by an infected person.

2 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Possibly - but this is not a form of influenza. Coronaviruses belong to a totally different family of viruses. The common cold is a coronavirus but flu is not.

A coronavirus is usually confined to animals but occasionally makes the jump to humans.  SARS and MERS is a coronavirus.

The Common Cold is not a coronavirus only one of the symptoms associated with one.

3 hours ago, overherebc said:

I can beat that.

My granny used to go to the back door of the pub almost next door to get two pints of black beer in an enameled jug, with a tea towel ( lesser spotted type ) to cover it so my granded could have beer with his dinner when he came home from work. ????????

PS

I never allowed mates in the car if they had vinegar on their fish and chips. Put on vinegar, eat outside the car. ????????

I remember taking your own container to a pub to get draught beer.  Wasn't that called the 'Bottle and Jug'?

Pubs used to have a separate door for such sales.

15 hours ago, sirineou said:

I wonder if it is transmittable during the incubation period.

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During incubation, patients aren't infectious. Or as Dr. William Schaffner, a professor at Vanderbilt University and the medical director of the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases, describes it, "It’s in my body but it’s not getting out."

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/new-coronavirus-u-s-what-isolation-n1122256

18 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand's December foreign tourist arrivals up 2.48% year-on-year - ministry

Yeh. Right!!

14 hours ago, sirineou said:

I wonder if it is transmittable during the incubation period.

There are conflicting opinions from different scientific groups.  Some say quite categorically that it can not be transmitted during incubation and others state that they don't know for sure.

Still 41 dead and rising and no vaccine in sight.  Some say that a vaccine is a year away and one report I read have said that initial tests show that the ebola vaccine is showing good results.

7 hours ago, Enki said:

Where would you et those metal ones? We have a few made from plastic, but they don't really fit on top of each other.

They're actually call Pintos in Thailand.  I've seen them in hardware shops and I know several Thais who have used them for years.

Just ask a Thai in your area where you can buy pintos.  I'm sure you'll get a positive response.

Nothing wrong with using Lazada.  They usually deliver in a day or two.  Incidentally, you aren't buying from Lazada.  They're only a trading hub.  You are actually buying from a retailer/manufacturer, maybe even a 'real shop'.

2 hours ago, Eindhoven said:

 

I have no idea what you are trying to write. Is it English? Either way, you appear to have grabbed the wrong end of the stick.

Just about every here agrees that it was not a proportionate response, regardless of their attitude towards whatever he was selling.

What are you on?

My original post was pointing to the fact that the topic was not about whether alcohol was a drug.

You responded with an argument that we are discussing whether it was a proportionate response while arguing across many posts whether alcohol was a drug or not!!! And told me to put down my beer!!

I agreed with the fact that the discussion should be about the action by the police!

Then you responded with the above post.

English?  Most definitely but your comprehension leaves a lot to be desired.

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Thailand finds fourth China coronavirus infection

5 now confirmed!

3 minutes ago, Eindhoven said:

 

Perhaps you missed it, but we are discussing whether it was a proportionate response. 

Now put down that beer...

Oh, please!  This is, as you say, whether it was a proportionate response.  That is, regardless of the perp's crimes, was it the right thing to do by the police, while endangering the lives of the public.

I guess you've had a little too much yourself!