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17 hours ago, CLW said:

Wrong. It's hemp not cannabis.

16 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Where does it say that I missed it?

That would fit the various government announcements over the last few weeks.  It was already licencing 'hemp farms' in 6 provinces.  I'm pretty sure that in this case they're talking about hemp which is part of the cannabis family. It has already been announced that the growing of hemp for medicines, cosmetics and fibre was to be made legal.

17 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

By comparison, Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) that killed nearly 800 people between 2002 and 2003 had a mortality rate of 10 percent.

WHO state that the overall mortality rate for SARS is 14 - 15% and up to 50% in high risk groups.  So far, the new coronavirus is much lower than that and is expected to peak a little in the short term before settling back to around 2%

There have been no deaths outside of China and many of the confirmed cases have already recovered or are recovering.

Most people will recover with no treatment.  Masks are only effective in preventing the spread from people already affected just the same as 'flu or colds.  Medical staff wear them to prevent their own bacteria from infecting patients, not the other way round.

The mortality rate is still very low at 3% or less.  Almost all fatalities to date (with a couple of exceptions) are people who are already vulnerable due to age, ill health etc.

'Flu is much more serious but doesn't have a cool name like 2019-nCoV so doesn't get the headlines!

Currently, if infected, you have a 97% chance of recovery (around a week) and if you're a healthy individual then you are close to 100% recovery.

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The team of scientists grew the virus from a patient who had been infected since Friday.

And what about the mutations? Apparently it's mutated twice so there are three versions of this coronavirus in China. 

7 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

Waste of money the epidemic is not caused by bat biting people in China but by person to person transmission via droplets.

It's caused by eating the bloody things.  Human to human transmission is a fact in this case, but it's also a fact that it originates in bats.  Coronaviruses are normally present in animals.  Under some circumstances it can jump to humans which is what happened in this case.  Bats carry a huge range of diseases and the Chinese have been eating them.  For goodness sake, that's exactly how SARS came about.

Following that, the Chinese authorities made wild life meat markets illegal.  That lasted a few years then the trade picked up again.  Just like Thailand,  weak enforcement.

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Source? Goes against everything we already know about coronavirus.

https://intpolicydigest.org/2020/01/27/flu-is-bigger-concern-but-wuhan-virus-grabs-headlines/

Also the following which is quoting the CDC in that the mortality is still below 3% to date and is believed to be overstated.

https://time.com/5772481/china-coronavirus-latest/

23 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

You need to examine deaths per infected person, otherwise your figures are meaningless. All inflenza strains are different, with different levels and media of contagion. also different levels of severity of symptoms. from what we already know, coronavirus has a long incubation period and a rapid contageon rate. Also the symptoms seem particularly severe.

The 'flu virus will infect millions across the globe and lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands. It can be easily spread and will especially strike the young and the elderly. But this is not what has been described as the Wuhan virus. The common flu is far deadlier. 

The common flu causes up to 5 million cases of severe illness worldwide and kills up to 650,000 people every year, according to the World Health Organization.

The common flu does not grab the headlines. But attach a foreign name to a virus – such as Ebola, Zika and Wuhan – and then the headlines flow.

Another ruse to get some funding.

Bats carry dozens of diseases.  The main one being rabies.  Unless you are bitten or EAT them, then they are no problem.

6 minutes ago, owenm said:

Only one IO with a safe N95 mask, while all the other IO are wearing a useless 10 Bht mask, that will offer them next to no protection. 

Exactly.  The problem with hysteria!

I wonder how much of the news coming out of China is Fake News.  An interesting report from Korea disputes much of the Chinese news, especially that which states the contagion is active even during the incubation period.

http://www.koreabiomed.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=7289

The annual death rate in China is 7.11 per 1,000. That works out at 27,000 per day. 

106 people in China will die anyway in 5 mins 39 secs!

It should also be noticed that of the cases confirmed in Thailand, more than half have recovered and are either continuing their holiday or have gone home.

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There are two common kinds: surgical masks and N95 respirators.

 

N95 respirators filter out most airborne particles from the surrounding air, preventing wearers from breathing in particles down to 0.3 microns in diameter. These types of masks are often used when air quality is poor due to wildfire smoke or pollution, and they're designed to be tightly fitted. However, the coronavirus is 0.12 microns in diameter. 

 

Surgical masks, meanwhile, are designed to keep large particle droplets and splatter from passing from a person's mouth to nearby surfaces or people. They're meant to keep healthcare providers from spreading their own mouth-borne germs to patients.

 

Health experts say that for the average person, the masks are not as effective as everyday measures like hand-washing and avoiding close contact with anyone who might be infected.

It would appear, on the face of it, that surgical masks, which is what most people are wearing, are pretty useless.  I've not seen any of the public wearing N95 masks which are quite different.

2 hours ago, Bkkthebest said:

Either you believe it or you don't. Just because you don't believe it, it does not mean they have to prove it to you. 

It's not a case of believing it or not.  There are a whole bunch of conspiracy theories out there.  Why would you pick one of the many and say "I believe that one".

I agree that there is a lot of circumstantial thinking in that there is actually a BSL-4 lab around 20 miles from the market.  It was cleared for opening in 2017.  There is no evidence to suggest that this was the cause of the outbreak.

The US has 13 of these labs. They come under the umbrella of the WHO. 

41 minutes ago, Bkkthebest said:

The virus actually comes from a lab in Wuhan, not from the animal market.. 

 

https://gnews.org/89749/

There are plenty of conspiracy theories.  This is just one of them.  Until proven, they will remain theories.

On 1/25/2020 at 11:37 PM, bloody tiger said:

maybe in excess of a million

Very much less than that and as far as I know, (less than 200,000 of which less than 100,000 are retirees) we are part of the demographic.

Most foreigners living here are from other SE countries.

I live in Hua Hin and it appears to be business as usual.  The queues in Tesco are still long.  They do have two alternative bags for sale, the most expensive one being 29 baht.  I can't remember the cost of the cheaper one but it's only a few baht.

The 7/11's I use always pack my bag without question.  If you don't give them your bag, they'll ask for it.

Mostly used by Thais of course and I've never seen any argument.  Seems, in general, they're getting with the program.

7 minutes ago, Peterbilt said:

Here's the video from the Korean source:
https://youtu.be/yQflXs0jZ9w
 

That is quite scary, especially regarding mutations which everyone was hoping against.  If she was giving confirmation that the virus has mutated, then it's a whole new ball game.

15 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Yet the vast majority of cases is in China. They would be the ones who know how severe it is, as they have a larger sample size. Time to send non-Chinese WHO experts to the grounds to report the real situation.

There are WHO reps in China. I'm sure they won't be sat on their a*ses.  Well I hope not!

There was a WHO delegation in Wuhan 20/21st January and had talks with the authorities.

https://www.who.int/china/news/detail/22-01-2020-field-visit-wuhan-china-jan-2020

2 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

I just took the figures from the table that was posted. Dispute them if you'd like.

No.  You played the figures from the chart.  Are you an accountant by any chance.  In how figures are presented can always lead the audience to different scenarios.

30 minutes ago, jojothai said:

You need to check the history of what happened in SARS. It was almost under control until the doctor took it to hong kong and it spread to become such a problem.

They have reported already that a doctor treating the problem has died. I have not seen his age or state of health published yet.

This should be considered very seriously outside china, precisely because of the risk of what happened in SARS.

As agreed across the globe, although this is a coronavirus as was SARS, it is not comparable.  Many show very mild symptoms or none at all and recovering without medical assistance.  It can spread more rapidly than SARS and proves the research that less severe viruses have a greater infection rate than do the more serious ones, e.g. SARS and MERS.

The problem with SARS was mismanagement.  Carriers were taking it across borders without knowing it.  The doctor you refer to, being already unwell and had treated patients with the virus, is not likely to happen today.  Some lessons learned.

China was guilty to a massive cover-up with SARS and even though their figures this time may be suspect, the procedures put in place should hopefully contain the disease.

I tend to believe the professionals from Europe and around the world as opposed to the info coming out of China.  

8 hours ago, GeorgeCross said:

 

median age of those that have died is currently 49. of those many were healthy at the time

 

And your source for that info is what?

As far as is known the deaths are between ages 55 and 87.  Show me some info where perfectly healthy people have died from this contrary to doctors and the medical profession around the globe.

3 minutes ago, jojothai said:

Its probably likely that this came from bats again.

I think it's been agreed that it came from bats.  The SARS virus is said to have jumped from bats to civet cats.  MERS on the other hand came from camels.

11 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Those that have been resolved dead or alive in Hubei, according to the table: 94. Dead 52, so that's 55%. The rest are still to be determined. They will end up in one of those categories.

OMG.  SARS had a mortality rate of 14%.  This is, so far, proven to be much much less severe. Your 55% statement is just scaremongering.  Get with it.