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HHTel
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Q: Am I at risk for novel coronavirus from a package or products shipping from China?
There is still a lot that is unknown about the newly emerged 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) and how it spreads. Two other coronaviruses have emerged previously to cause severe illness in people (MERS and SARS). 2019-nCoV is more genetically related to SARS than MERS, but both are betacoronaviruses with their origins in bats. While we don’t know for sure that this virus will behave the same way as SARS and MERS, we can use the information from both of these earlier coronaviruses to guide us. In general, because of poor survivability of these coronaviruses on surfaces, there is likely very low risk of spread from products or packaging that are shipped over a period of days or weeks at ambient temperatures. Coronaviruses are generally thought to be spread most often by respiratory droplets.
Also from the CDC site but answering a more relevant question:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html
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1 hour ago, Xonax said:Recovered after just 5 days! Thats a f***ing miracle!!!
Adds weight to the speculation by many medical authorities that there are many infections that have not been reported due to either no symptoms or very mild symptoms. These cases will have recovered.
Most people will recover anyway, without treatment.
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14 hours ago, snoop1130 said:
With 25 cases Thailand has had more virus infections than any other country except China.
And Japan (45), and Singapore (28)
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5 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:
even in a first world country like the US, currently the only lab that can test for it is CDC HQ in Atlanta.
The FDA has just approved a test kit for WuFlu which will be sent to all state labs.
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1 hour ago, rickudon said:
Coronavirus isn't just going to go away in a few months. It is out there now, uncontained, and we have to live with like we do Influenza.
SARS, which was a similar coronavirus, lasted around 5 months then vanished. WuFlu is probably going to take longer but I believe it will go the same way.
These viruses usually die out with effective containment along with the body's immune system to adapt.
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The chances of being infected with WuFlu is extremely small. I'd be more worried about:
'Flu. (kills hundreds of thousands annually) Vaccine reduces the risk by 60% but has to be modified twice a year as the 'flu virus mutates.
Dengue fever. (almost 40,000 cases in Thailand in 2019 with 43 deaths) No vaccine or cure.
Zika. (kills 1% of those infected and is particularly dangerous to pregnant women) No vaccine
and of course polution.
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37 minutes ago, Traubert said:
I think today everyone knows why it's called novel Corona virus. Its unique.
I'm sure you meant that as a joke. Novel coronavirus just means 'new' (novel)
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11 hours ago, PatOngo said:
That's very reassuring. I'll be having bat soup for dinner tonight.
I'm sure you realise that eating bats/bat soup in China is very very rare. Out of all of the pictures and vids that have been posted of people eating bats, NONE of them were from China. Although the virus originated in bats, humans caught it from eating another animal. SARS - civet cats, MERS - camels and it's pretty much accepted along similar lines for WuFlu.
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2 hours ago, DrTuner said:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
No idea what "critical" there means. Likely in a hospital in bad shape.
You are absolutely correct. There are many statistics, some good, some bad. On the good side, Hubei province still accounts for over 95% of infections and deaths. If you spread the total number around the whole of China, it counts to 1 person in around 53,000 to contract the virus to date. Bearing in mind that the majority of infections/deaths are in Hubei, it would appear that infection risk to the majority of the population is minute.
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5 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:
How come the numbers only go up?Don't any of them get better and go home as suggested in various news reports?
To date:
24,623 Confirmed cases
493 deaths
990 fully recovered
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7 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:
There's no such thing as a Coronavirus "test kit". The ONLY way to verify if a sick patient has the virus is PCR-DNA analysis of saliva or mucus.
It's a highly specialised machine that runs 24/7/365 doing hundreds if not thousands of DNA sequencing tests simultaneously.
No kit exists, sorry to burst your bubble. ????
QuoteNANJING, Jan. 31 (Xinhua) -- Experts have developed a rapid nucleic test kit for the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in the city of Wuxi, east China's Jiangsu Province.
The kit can detect the virus within eight to 15 minutes, according to the city bureau of science and technology.
The kit has high sensitivity and is easy to use and transport, according to the bureau. It will be vital for the prevention and control of the epidemic.
The kit was the joint work of experts from the National Institute for Viral Disease Control and Prevention and a Wuxi-based high-tech company. The company received a notice to develop the kit on Jan. 20.
The kit is undergoing mass production. The company said it can produce kits for 4,000 people a day, and the city government is helping the company expand production.
The first batch of kits is already in use at the frontlines in Hubei Province.
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6 hours ago, geriatrickid said:
Do you really believe that a 1000 bed hospital can be built in a week? More like a detention center dormitory. All that the Chinese have done is build a place where people will be kept. It is impossible to have equipped the facility with the medical equipment and advanced care devices common to a basic clinic. It takes time to install ICU equipment and to calibrate equipment. The facility probably does not even have a balanced air flow and pressure system required to control infectious disease contagion.
The videos certainly show that your paragraph above is wrong. Considering a 2 story hospital was built in a week (plenty of time lapse vids around), it does appear quite well equipped. The air flow is separated and isolated from main airflow. Each room even has a 2-door 'box'. One door inside the room and one outside. These will be used to pass food and medicines both in and out of the room. Pretty much all of what you've said.
They now have patients already in the hospitals.
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2 minutes ago, HHTel said:
I think that's been debunked. I posted a statement from the WHO following my initial post which was only a few hour old.
Sorry, I was thinking of something on another thread (there are far too many of them) so I'd still be interested in the link for that Norwegian report.
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33 minutes ago, balo said:
It was a Norwegian article I read a few days ago. If I find the link I will post it.
I think that's been debunked. I posted a statement from the WHO following my initial post which was only a few hour old.
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This from the WHO just a few hours ago:
Quote“We reiterate our call to all countries not to impose restrictions that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade. Such restrictions can have the effect of increasing fear and stigma, with little public health benefit,” Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said Tuesday during a briefing to the UN’s executive board in Geneva.
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3 hours ago, davemos said:
Only 21000 confirmed cases and WHO is urging countries to close their borders .Worried about losses wait till you have 1000000 people trying to get to a hospital abd the cost of that too!
Where is that info from. As far as WHO reports go, they are against closing borders. They even theorise that closing borders can actually cause the virus to spread further.
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4 hours ago, kingstonkid said:
If SARS is anything to go by then tourism around the world is going to be down. People get afraid to go to new areas because they do not want to be in crowds.
SARS hit global tourism worldwide during 2003. SARS lasted around 5 months. Come 2004, tourism bounced back with a vengeance.
Tourism is likely to be hit harder this time for a number of reasons:
Many more people travel today than during the SARS outbreak, especially in and out of China.
Although much less serious than SARS, it is expected to last longer.
The media, especially social media is breeding hysteria leading people to think it's worse than it is.
On the other hand, 'Flu has caused the death of 4,800 people in the last month alone. That is in spite of having a vaccine (ok, not a perfect match vaccine but quite effective). With up to 600,000 'flu deaths per year, I don't see any measures to prevent anyone from flying 'with a dose of 'flu). More than 90% of infections and deaths are in the Hubei province and if containment proves effective, then it will eventually run it's course.
Previous coronaviruses have passed due to containment and the body's immunity to adapt.
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1 hour ago, balo said:
The virus is not as deadly as first reported according to some Norwegian virus experts. So they are just asking us to be careful with the hygiene at the airports and live your life as normal if you are fit to travel.
Do you have a link to this report?
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All your links show a video from 2016 and posted by an idiot. The video was not even in China but in Palau in the Western Pacific.
The SARS virus was from a bat, but passed to a civet cat which was then eaten. The evidence to date is the same thing happened and is not caused by eating a bat but by eating a host of the virus.
Bats have a multitude of diseases which we don't catch. The danger is when it's passed on to another animal.
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1 hour ago, mike787 said:
Is that the best you can do/got?? Really! Come on, i expected more evidence...another key board baseless warrior...LOL!
Alright, let's play some (childish) fact, Real news with evidence games and see...after this i don't care what you believe..
Below are links to evidence easily found by google. Enjoy your soup.
In a paper published last year, scientists from the Wuhan Institute of Virology made an eerily prescient observation: "It is generally believed that bat-borne CoVs (coronaviruses) will re-emerge to cause the next disease outbreak," they said. "In this regard, China is a likely hotspot. The challenge is to predict when and where, so that we can try our best to prevent such outbreaks."Daszak said that scientists have found about 50 SARS-related coronaviruses in bats all across China and the SARS coronavirus had been found in people in the southwestern province of Yunnan who lived near caves where the virus had been found in bats — although they showed no symptoms of respiratory illness during sampling.https://nypost.com/2020/01/23/revolting-video-shows-woman-devouring-bat-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/
What on earth do you mean. I was pointing out that some posters, here and on other forums, are publishing pics as fact. There are people that believe this nonsense. The point I was making, and I think it was clear enough, that people are scaremongering by publishing pictures as being fact.
I was pointing out the fakes. I didn't, nor did I intend to, make any comparison with real facts.
Get yourself another beer.
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6 minutes ago, DrTuner said:
The confirmation count of 19 means nothing, since Thailand hasn't been able to clear the diagnosis backlog for days.
Nice to see such optimism!
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It should be noted that, if the figures are to be believed, well over 90% of infections and deaths in China are in the Hubei province. 632 have fully recovered and I'm sure many more will.
Out of the 19 confirmed cases in Thailand, 12 have made a full recovery with the remaining 7 'on the mend'.
If the containment in China remains effective then this virus will eventually run it's course although it may be some months yet.
Although not a valid analysis, confirmed infections vs deaths have remained at between 2 and 3%. If, as believed, there are many unreported infections because of mild or no symptoms, then the % may be lower.
Viruses in the past have usually been killed by effective containment and the body's immune system adapting.
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1 hour ago, mike787 said:
Fake comments...Denial...yep!, that's an option look how we got into this "global" mess.
If people like to see these 'prank' pics, look at this link. There are 31 prank pics of people protecting themselves. I'll emphasise these are PRANKS and are not to be taken seriously or posted as fact which some posters are inclined to do!
https://izismile.com/2020/02/03/all_the_coronavirus_protection_you_can_get_31_pics.html
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7 minutes ago, rabas said:
Reference please?
Was this in reference to being ground zero in a pandemic, in a hospital, or just walking on the street on a good day? Makes a difference.
You only have to do a simple search. From the WHO to the CDC to the NHS and many many medical sites will tell you the same as the published notice above.
Mask wearing is a result of the hysteria floating around, usually on social media. The wearing of paper (surgical) masks can have the opposite effect. The masks will become moist which makes a perfect breeding ground for a virus.
Health workers wear them once only, then they are disposed of. The general public don't.
7 minutes ago, rabas said:
Thai taxi driver who had coronavirus tells Wuhan to keep fighting
in Thailand News
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There is no vaccine and no cure and no real treatment!
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/prevention-treatment.html