JamieM

13 minutes ago, merijn said:

Very disturbing if this is true.

It is I know the guy and not only him but the guy that started this topic is also banned.

@Kerryd@misterjames (the poster that first pointed the HK connection out in this post) was permanently banned without breaking any rules for posting some factual articles about China, if it is really the case that there is no connection as some are claiming then why is this happening?

No doubt I will also be punished for mentioning this but sometimes the truth must be told.

Source: https://thethaiger.com/talk/topic/1823-refugee-from-thaivisa/page/16/#comments

2 minutes ago, Khun Yogi said:

If you want to do any "real" business in Thailand ie company to company, domestic or overseas, you have to pay for goods before they are shipped, so if they order vaccines l can see why companies would want payment before shipment.

I agree with you that's why it was a silly statement.

1 minute ago, jacko45k said:

No you didn't, you don't know what you said... here...

 

Check again.

1 hour ago, JamieM said:

I take it that you are unable to clarify the nonsensical post you just made then?

 

ALL the vaccines in use are foreign in Thailand.

 

41 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

There were 2 of them under clinical test talked of a few weeks ago. Now you mention it, not heard of them for a while. 

I stipulated in use.

5 minutes ago, gk10012001 said:

Try a dictionary

I take it that you are unable to clarify the nonsensical post you just made then?

ALL the vaccines in use are foreign in Thailand.

22 minutes ago, gk10012001 said:

the foreign manufacturers were demanding payment in advance.  Of course the Thai agencies don't like that

You say "foreign manufacturers" in your post, can you tell me what you mean by foreign? As far as I'm aware Thailand doesn't have a domestic vaccine. Can you explain to me which domestic vaccine (that doesn't require advanced payment) you are talking about? as no domestic vaccine exists. 

Oh no has someone been telling fibs about amounts ordered? 

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

So, in your opinion, in what way would these submarines be tactically useful?

Gulf of Thailand is way too shallow for them to operate. No thermal layers to hide under and indeed from the air they can be physically seen.

And which enemy would they be protecting the country from?

Don't expect an to answer that or any other serious question these guys never answer any questions, just create them.

2 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

 

Whilst submarines do of course have combat abilities, their primary purpose is for intelligence gathering which in this case would be for China.

 

Exactly which shows us who rules the roost in Thailand.

Just now, hanuman2543 said:

Please elaborate which countries are a threat to Thailand?

Seeing as they are buying the subs from China one can only assume that they think the west is a threat.

A threat to what exactly who knows what they are thinking? Doesn't make sense to me either.

58 minutes ago, bangon04 said:

They are not stupid. They thought of that - because Thailand has no trained crew for submarines, they will use Chinese crews. And to save the cost of repainting the submarines, they will keep the chinese markings on the subs. And to avoid any accidents in shallow waters (as several posters have pointed out ) they will patrol the South China Sea around the Philippines.....

Exactly a win win for China all while the Thai people struggle to eat and find an effective vaccine.

There is no use case scenario for these subs unless they will be used as underwater lapdogs for China.

3 minutes ago, josthomz said:

We could spend all days with countless and pointless arguments of "it's super effective 92%", not "it's not effective 50%, it's useless" blah, blah, blah. our China bashing ideals like it or not, lol.

My post merely states the actual factual results of the study, no more no less. 

You can't add or remove anything from that.

I'm just pointing out the misinformation being spread on here by other users with the actual factual evidence and figures.

Everything else you say, has nothing to do with anything I have said.

3 minutes ago, josthomz said:

 

 

Its limitations are those of any other inactivated vaccine. 

 

You can read this article about inactivated Influenza vaccines manufactured in the West, their effectiveness is never greater than 60%! 

 

https://www.influenza.org.nz/effectiveness-inactivated-influenza-vaccines

 

Why? Are they substandard? No. - Inactivated vaccines is the most primitive technology of producing vaccines, it has been in use since the 1890s.... Nowadays other more effective technologies have been developed. 

 

Of course other technologies such as mRNA have very strict storage requirements (temperature, etc...) and so in China due to their geographical, demographic and epidemic situation at the time, it would have been much harder to rollout mRNA vaccines. So at least at the very first they decided to manufacture and roll out inactivated vaccines such as Sinovac or Sinopharm. And now they are selling them to everyone who wants them (same like any other vaccine manufacturer)

 

They are not substandard. Their effectiveness is on par with what's expected for inactivated vaccines. 

 

Inactivated flu vaccines have helped humanity keep influenza under the control for years, and nowadays inactivated COVID vaccines, albeit not the most effective one, will help save lives and more importantly help keep people off the ICU. 

 

Not really sure what you are quoting me for as your reply literally has nothing to do with anything I have said in my post or any of the claims made by me or the person I was replying to? confused.

10 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

I care because, for maybe billions of people, they can get Sinovac for the time being and nothing else.  Whatever its limitations, it does not do anyone any good to paint those limitation as more than they actually are.

More absolute nonsense. You pro sinovac guys aren't very good with numbers or facts are you?

1. How are you going to vaccinate billions of people in a country with a population of 70 million?

(stay on topic we are talking about Thailand on this thread)

2. You state it does not do good to point out limitations as more likely than they actually are (which I am not doing) so what you seem to be suggesting here is that we ignore the misinformation you guys are spreading about efficacy of the vaccine?

(my post was a reply to someone quoting a WHO study saying it was 92% effective which is simply not true) I pointed out the actual results of the study yet you are not happy about it? (that's because you don't like the truth)

Source of the results in question:

https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/immunization/sage/2021/april/5_sage29apr2021_critical-evidence_sinovac.pdf

I am certainly not pointing out limitations as more than they are, actually I am pointing out what the limitations actually are (factually) so stop twisting the narrative.

As long as you guys keep posting lies and misinformation, people like me will always be here to point out your lies.

Remember that.

Just now, irishman25 said:

the WHO have tested this vaccine and proven it is after the 2 dose 92% why the hate for China and the vaccine they have already have giving out over 500millon vaccine around the world but the rich Western country's LIE about this.  poor country don't matter to them 

nonsense not even for the original variant let alone the delta variant..

https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/immunization/sage/2021/april/5_sage29apr2021_critical-evidence_sinovac.pdf

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because such a move would be "admitting that the Sinovac vaccine is not effective".

Coverup?

Anyone else noticed that this post (after the rebrand and concern about the Hong Kong connection) is eerily quiet and completely missing of the usual defensive posts from pro ccp, pro sinovac trolls? none of them! not one have has risen to the bait of this post?

What is going on? I can't help but notice that this post seems very quiet for a post of this type they are not even leaving confused and sad faces on every post like usual. What is going on?

Have they been told to hold back for a while so it's not so blatant?