JamieM

1 minute ago, wadman said:

 

Poppycock.  If you know the guy armed (and according to you that might be the reason for the search and enter to begin with), then you don't show up in shorts and flip flops.  The police would make sure they outgun you by a lot to discourage even the thought of a firefight.

I think you have no idea how many times a day a pistol is pulled in Thailand, if they sent special forces everytime they would be very busy indeed.

12 minutes ago, ukrules said:

 

They send in heavily armed commandos if they're looking for the armed and dangerous, like these guys :

Only those that have serious firepower not one pistol.

14 minutes ago, Leaver said:

Using your own question, "How do you know" he was up to no good? 

 

What are you basing your opinion on?      

All of this I have answered in my above post we are going around in circles now I will not repeat what I have already covered in previous posts.

15 minutes ago, wadman said:

 

You are demanding proof for points that others make.  For you own points, you just grab  something from La-La-Land.

I have said speculation.

"gardener or maid (it's all speculation at this point)."

However we do know for a fact he was not alone at the house.

We are all speculating about what happened here, none of us really knows anything about what happened and I am entitled to give my speculative opinion on the topic as are you ???? that is how a civilised debate works.

16 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

I don't. 

 

I am forming a hypothesis based on the CCTV footage and information currently available. 

The CCTV footage that the Chief claims has been edited by Chinese state media to make the operation look bad. 

Which is a bold statement if he's lying he will be in a lot of trouble himself with the very top levels of government so I tend to believe him.

16 minutes ago, Leaver said:

Most of my opinion comes from the CCTV footage, and recent media article that a search warrant didn't exits.

 

If they were looking for illegal firearms, do you think they would enter the premises in the way they did?  There are specialist squads for building entries where it is suspected firearms could be involved.

Answered above my opinion regarding the CCTV footage and the Chiefs comments on it.

Also they won't send in the special forces with with long arms for a guy with one pistol.

Why would they need to?

16 minutes ago, Leaver said:

We shouldn't have to wait for the facts.  The police should have had facts, that's why they went there in the first place. 

You would have to wait for an inquiry in any country in the world.

16 minutes ago, Leaver said:

To use your own words, "How do you know?"

If you read what I actually wrote again you will see that I said "upto no good in my opinion". 

My opinion is just that an opinion.

2 minutes ago, wadman said:

 

So the police knocked with badge in hand first?  And that's why the Chinese guy by the swimming was totally surprised to see people running towards the house from the back?  SMH...

If you read what I wrote again I suggested a gardener / maid or henchman could have opened the door. This guy was not alone.

10 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

But you have to agree that they(probably) didnt know he had "any" weapons. You dont charge a property across open ground like that  against any known weapons.

You wouldnt approach a closed bedroom door with a known gun on the otherside either, thats how they got shot !

There seems to be a lot we don't know here to be honest, also the Chief claims the video was edited by Chinese state media to make the operation look bad.  It could be that before the video (that we have seen) someone knocked on the door with a badge and got the door slammed in their face by a gardener or maid (it's all speculation at this point).

Also this is Thailand so I wouldn't put it passed them to storm his house like that, knowing full well he had one pistol in the house but I guess none of us really knows what really went on that day, yet.

My gut feeling is there's a lot more to this guy than meets the eye, especially if the Chief is willing to defend his actions against Chinese state media. They must have something on him or the Chief would be up <deleted> creek by now and working on traffic duty on the prime ministers orders. 

5 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Dont neccesarily need evidence just common sense.

If they had known the guy had that type of fire power it is reasonable to assume that the heavy SWAT style crew would have been implemented first not after.They would be absolute idiots to charge across open ground like that against that type of weapon, so no, I dont believe they knew anything.

It was just a regular hand gun in a scary looking piece of moulded plastic with a fake magazine stuffed in the front.

It could be that whichever shady person he bought it from grassed him up for commission. We all know the Thai's do that kind of thing.

Either way the dude was breaking the law and the cops are within their rights to turn up and arrest him for possession of an illegal firearm.

Just now, Leaver said:

 

I am not denying Thailand is terribly corrupt, but if they knew, they would have had a warrant to search for illegal firearms.  They didn't.  

Again how do you know? you are taking this guys defence lawyers word for it. 

Would you take your wife's divorce lawyers word for truth? I think not. Lets wait for the facts, this guy was obviously upto no good in my opinion.

11 minutes ago, ukrules said:

If they knew about it, which they didn't, did they?

 

Again how do you know? what they did or didn't know? ????‍♂️

You guys are just speculating (without any information) based upon your own stance on the topic, without any actual evidence to back up what you are saying.

ukrules I usually I agree with your posts but with all due respect you haven't thought this one through.

16 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

Hey Sherlock, they needed to have probable cause / reasonable suspicion that he had an illegal firearm before they even went there.  They didn't

 

This is not the United States... How do you know, what they did or didn't know? ????‍♂️ 

When I first arrived in Thailand I used to wonder why Thai people kept saying "This is Thailand" to foreigners.

Now I fully understand why..

20 minutes ago, Leaver said:

You can only dig deep with reasonable suspicious, or probably cause.  It appears they had neither went they went there.

Firstly you are using the term probable cause which standard only used by police in the United States.

Secondly he had an illegal firearm in his possession.

Which would be probable cause ????‍♂️

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Top virologist Dr Yong Poovorawan of Chulalongkorn University went on his personal Facebook page to expound his views on the pandemic in Thailand. 

 

He said that the first wave was the Chinese version of the virus.

Finally someone in Thailand with the balls to admit where all of this came from ????

6 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I always had 3-5 uniformed officers banging on my door in the UK when they wanted to arrest or question me. And outside my house would be a marked police car, or 3.

Exactly and you must not have been that serious of a criminal then if they didn't bother hiding the marked car usually those turn up once they have handcuffs on you.

p.s I noticed you avoided my request for examples.

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

What made the difference for me was the 'house invaders' wearing t-shirts, jeans and flip-flops and carrying guns.

Feel free to show me the posts where you have defended westerners being arrested by plain clothes Thai police officers.  Genuinely curious to see them.

Crime agencies and intelligence agencies all over the world use plain clothes officers during arrests like this all the time and that is a fact.

All of the posters here defending this guys actions seem to be overlooking one (well a few) things.

He's a foreigner that opened fire on the Police with a nasty looking weapon that is likely an illegal weapon, he also shot 2 police officers.

If this guy were a westerner, the very same people that are defending this guy would be screaming, burn him, burn him alive! 

It's very interesting that for this guy, being a Chinese national seems to make all the difference to the view of some people posting on here and how they feel about the whole situation isn't it? very interesting indeed ???? 

Not sure what is going on in this video? but I'm starting to see this in my timeline something about Sinovac.

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the chief said that "certain media" had shown only certain frames and angles.

I'm with the Chief on this one. I bet they edited the footage, also this is Thailand and the Thai police are fully within their rights to operate in plain clothes to avoid the suspect being tipped off.

Oh thank god! How very convenient. 

Just now, covidiot said:

 

https://people.howstuffworks.com/swat-team.htm

A high-risk warrant - If the police are going to conduct an arrest at a home, and they know the person is likely to be armed, they will call in the SWAT team to perform the arrest.

 

 

Did you read my quote from Wikipedia about plain clothes law enforcement/ intelligence agencies ?

p.s they were not a swat team did you see any long rifles?

3 hours ago, EricTh said:

I thought they were gangsters too. Why aren't they wearing police uniforms ?

Let's put this to bed shall we? It is a fact that not wearing uniforms is common practice in situations like this all over the world.

"Law enforcement officers who wear plainclothes. This method is used by law enforcement and intelligence agencies. To wear plainclothes is to wear civilian clothes, instead of wearing a uniform, to avoid detection or identification as a law enforcement officer"

3 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

Even my cheap CCTV system has an internet connection and uploads everything to the cloud. Anyone whom I give the password can view and download the images.

Yeh but would the Chinese state media post it and defend you if you shot two cops in another country?

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

No. We're all told that nothing like this goes on state media without a nod from the CCP. When it comes to China, we don't know squat.

Speak for yourself, I know how they operate very well thank you very much ????

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Great to see the usual TV suspects standing up for the filthy rich, armed Chinese 'tourist' in his multi-million baht "dark side" mansion.

 

It's been pretty obvious for a while that there are many pro China shills here with multiple accounts trying to direct the narrative of any China related topic. 

This is a common tactic used by the Chinese government in forums and media all over the world.

Google "Wu mao" or "50 cent army"  

2 minutes ago, jackdd said:

I'm quite certain that serious crime units would observe the property, would know that the suspect is in his garden, and would just catch him there. They wouldn't just run into the house alone without any cover like some retards.

TIT ????

2 minutes ago, nightfox said:

Regardless, you shoot at a cop in any country your going down.

I'm gonna say this guy walks, you underestimate the power of the CCP and state media has over Thai officialdom.