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50 minutes ago, NobbyClarke said:
I am aware of an English guy in "The Hilton" doing 8 years for the same drug.
Thailand people will be on death row for these offences.
I don't know how these fines and sentences are fair and equal. Someone, somewhere in high places knows.
Exactly! Thai law is applied in highly unequal amounts depending on who you are, where you come from and how much you pay. It's disgraceful.
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A Chinese national! A criminal! Surely not!!!
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3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:
They always test all the patrons and staff.
Nothing new here.
I never smoked the funny stuff at home in case I was in a gogo that was raided while in LOS- the test can pick up such long after using it.
They are testing more so for 'harder' drugs, particularly now that marijuana is legal. I certainly would never have foregone a 'smoke of the funny stuff' back home because of the possibility of it being detected when holidaying in Thailand.
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3 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:
To escape by forcing their way through the police cordon, en masse, does not mean that they "simply left".
Actually if you watch the video, it appears that they did simply leave - did see much forcing going on.
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3 hours ago, nickmondo said:
so in whatever country you are from, drug taking in clubs, and exceeding the opening hours is acceptable and the cops do nothing right? take a reality check mate.
if the cops dont crack down on this sort of <deleted>, then we would be living in a lawless society.
Thailand was once semi lawless (in a real sense if not in theory) and a much better place to live in then than now. At least the Thais have taken a step in the right direction to improve the country's quality of life by legalising marijuana.
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3 hours ago, crazykopite said:
I bet there were more Thais than foreigners in that place
There were many more Thais than foreigners as can be said in the video showing EVERYONE leaving.
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6 hours ago, Mickeymaus said:
There are laws against drugs and there are laws regulating the closing times. So you support people that don't care about laws?
Ahead of Pattaya Police, yes I would support support people who don't care about laws. The only reason Pattaya police care about laws is money.
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I suspect all too many of the local farangs are ready to pounce on any foreigners bending the law while ignoring the fact that Thais are the ones who act most irresponsibly on the roads in their own country.
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29 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:No, it's not ok for bikes to be on the pavements, they get fined if they're caught and this Canadian was doing something wrong.
Lol. Plenty of bikes wherever you go are on the footpath or heading up the wrong way of the road. I doubt that many of the riders are ever apprehended.
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33 minutes ago, jaiyen said:So its OK to ride a motorbike on the path if you are Thai but this guy would be classified as a pedestrian but he is charged with a motoring offence for actually do nothing wrong !
Reeks of double standards in a country with the 2nd highest road toll in the world. Good on the guy. He paid his fine and that's the end of the story.
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3 hours ago, kuzmabruk said:
Another uneducated comment. I have been involved in teaching English in Japan and the average Japanese high schooler is 100 times more proficient at English than members of this forum. Their issue is solely with pronunciation as they don’t have easy access to English speakers. But after a few weeks of one on one they are amazingly proficient English speakers.
I also taught English in Japan, though to adults rather than high schoolers. My experience teaching in Japan was also in large classes, where students were fearful to speak, afraid they would make an error. For all the hours spent in school and in the workplace, Japanese spoke the language poorly. The same could be said for Thais. Every child spends 3 hours or so a week of classes studying English, but compared to Cambodians, have not made the kind of progress with oral English that their hours of classes would suggest they should have done.
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10 minutes ago, Purdey said:
This is Thailand so I expect some issue with the English language. What I do not expect is that many native English speakers have a problem with English spelling and grammar. How many times do I have to see the word "your" instead of "you're"? England will "loose" the world cup? What is the "affect" of these rules?
Perhaps before blaming non-English speakers we should look at our own usage. Moreover, translators don't always help. Saw this Welsh road sign and thought, why didn't they hire someone bilingual?
<deleted> there are many foreigners living and teaching in Thailand who could be employed for translating official signs. It's not that difficult to get it right!
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1 hour ago, billd766 said:
And me as well.
I wonder how many of the laughing posters here could translate English into Thai accurately with all the correct tones. Not that many.
I admire the guy for trying but I think a qualified translator may have helped.
All very well for you to defend the inept English translation but let's not forget that this is a sign at a major bus station and there is no excuse for authorities getting this so very wrong. Thais like Japanese are notoriously poor learners of English, sharing the same belief that the culture and language are so unique that they should not have to learn other languages. I am sure that in a western country where other languages are required for official signs that the translations are accurate. There is also far less excuse for so badly misspelling place names.
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4 hours ago, ChasingTheSun said:Thailnd is likely on the right side of history on this one.
Like it or not, most countries and most people of the world are either nuetral or on russias side in the ukraine conflict.
anyone who does the most basic of independent background research on the conflict would also likely agree that Russia was undeniably forced into this sad conflict.
hopefully biden and nato will allow Ukraine to negotiate peace sooner, rather than later. It’s doubtful that zelensky will be around at that time to do any negotiations.
I don't understand how these pro Russian posts get so much support. There are obviously more Russians and lovers of the country around than I would have thought likely. Don't know how any of you can defended the brutality of its soldiers. As for the comment that most country are neutral or support Russia, this would certainly not apply to European, British or American based countries. Perhaps some of the more desperate countries relying on Russian handouts might turn a blind eye, but any country with a decent moral outlook would surely not support such an unprincipled regime.
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9 hours ago, edwinchester said:
A long sentence followed by deportation seems appropriate.
Deportation? He will be dead before he has a chance to 'go home'.
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If you've seen one temple you've seen them all. If touring, a sensible tourist would visit the most notable and relatively accessible wat then assume that any temple after that would be an anti climax. Itinerary schedule solved.
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1 hour ago, DjSilver said:
If a Thai teacher would ever hit my kid, no matter what. I would simply hit them back and of course humiliate them to lose face in front of everyone. But lucky my kid doesn't go to school in Thailand and I would never allow them. Even the so called international schools a re terible with bad curriculum only making the kids more stupid.
There are 'so called international schools' and then there are the real ones with fees competitive with private schools in western countries. Having taught in one in Bangkok, I can assure you that the major international schools follow British or American curriculums or the international baccalaureate, have well remunerated and competent staff largely recruited overseas and largely expat students interested in learning. The so called international schools in SEA are a dime a dozen style institutions teaching local kids and generally have poorly qualified foreign teachers. Don't confuse the two school systems.
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3 hours ago, Gecko123 said:These self-satisfied international school teachers need to climb down off their high horses. They're almost always teaching kids from high-income two parent households. The parents provide strong role models and reinforce the value of education for their kids. Going to a school where all the other students are similarly motivated provides additional reinforcement of these values. Parents attend parent-teacher conferences and monitor their child's academic progress closely. Another factor is that these affluent families have on average fewer children, so they are able to devote more attention and resources to the children they have. Teaching at such a school is a cakewalk compared to what teachers in rural and other disadvantaged areas have to go through.
These teachers are trying to teach kids who rarely have two parents living in the household. Most are lucky if they have just one parent, as many are raised without either of their biological parents in the household. I was told once by the principal of my school that 40% of the kids at the school were in households without either biological parent present. The parent or guardian caring for the child often does not appreciate the value of education. In some farming households, education is not encouraged because the parents want the child to continue working the farm after the parents are too old to do so themselves. Then there is the issue of poverty which impacts nutrition, clothing, school supplies, and many other aspects of child development.
Because of all of this, these teachers are often forced to juggle the nurturing role of mother, the disciplinarian role of a father, and still teach. These international school teachers may see themselves as academic elites, but I'll bet they'd be tearing their hair out by the fistful or whacking kids left and right if they ever found themselves having to teach under similarly challenging conditions.
What you overlook is that corporal punishment is banned in nearly all western countries. That includes all schools, and of these, only the private schools and the best government schools would boast the equivalence in student types of Thai international schools. A large number of the government schools would have students very similar in background to the Thai schools you describe but teachers are no more allowed to strike them than teachers in the most exclusive of the elite schools. As an ex teacher, I certainly support the regulations regarding corporal punishment. I have also taught in Thai and Cambodian schools and have never been tempted to strike a student even back in the days when students were routinely strapped. As a student counsellor, I was also aware of the home backgrounds of the more difficult students - getting beatings at home then at school is not what I would recommend to get the best out of a student.
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1 hour ago, Neeranam said:Would your mate have paid the police to stay out of jail if he had a spare billion baht?
Is the fact that a billionaire committing this crime any different to my foreign colleague who did exactly the same thing in Isan?
Yes, he was on drugs/alcohol and dragged the poor motorcyclist 100 yards to his death. Now he followed the system and paid 700,000 baht. Boss paid 3 million baht to the family and is still hounded for one reason only - his fame and fortune. My daughter's classmate killed a motorcyclist when he was in Mattyom 2, driving his father's Merc. He even drove in into school! He went abroad for 2 years.
The difference with the Red Bull situation is that the whole crime and its cover up are out in the open and probably known about by every adult Thai person. It's like the Joe Ferrari crime. Both are situations where justice really needs to be seen to be done to set an example for the public. He is hounded because everyone knows he is as guilty as hell of killing a policeman then covering it up. The attempt to totally whitewash him by changing the evidence regarding the vehicles speed and the cocaine did actually cause Thai people to briefly react and the government to step in and reverse the fabricated new evidence. Letting this guy avoid arrest sends a clear message to the public that the rich are untouchable. You might consider this perfectly acceptable, but I don't.
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23 hours ago, Neeranam said:
Please explain how the manufacturers of Red Bull are evil creatures.
If you have any kids, would you want them to be locked up in a Thai jail?
Anyone who can wilfully cover up a heinous crime like this one and not accept responsibility for their actions is evil. My Thai mate has just been released after serving 8 years in prison. Only my financial assistance enabled him to get through the time which included 2 bouts of TB then covid, severely weakening his lungs and resistance to infection and illness. He paid the penalty for his crime.
I find it abhorrent that ordinary people cannot escape the consequences of their actions while the rich routinely buy their way out of situations and/or use their connections to avoid prison. What makes this worse is that everyone knows he committed the crime yet there is an acceptance in Thailand that the rich and powerful are subject to a totally different set of rules - or no rules at all.
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33 minutes ago, ikke1959 said:The people are so educated and instructed about ganja use and consequences.. that they think they can put it in everything for everybody without warning signs...
The whole legalization is a farce without any information for public... They put it in noodle soup, food , cakes, drinks, and name it.....
Or more likely one or two cases are sensationalised and stupid people believe they represent the tip of an iceberg rather than isolated exceptions.
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2 hours ago, Screaming said:
It is very sad that marijuana had been decriminalized in Thailand. Innocent children will suffer and die because of this criminal decision.
Your ignorance of the plant's dangers are all too clearly on display.
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35 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:
with such terrible government and such a sickness in society how can you bear to live here? If I took such offence at miscarriages of justice involving people I don't know I would leave tomorrow . But where would I go ? its the same everywhere, just that some places are better at hiding it
Nonsense. Western democratic countries do not hide anything of the kind we are witnessing with the Reb Bull saga. And I don't any longer live in Thailand. I am not even all that keen at visiting the country now, despite having some Thai friends from the 6 years I lived there.
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2 hours ago, seedy said:You think it is different in the West ? 555
Money talks the world over. He who has the best lawyer wins, and this all comes down to $$$
It may all come down to dollars but in Thailand there is a big difference - it's not good lawyers getting this guy off, its corruption and perversion of the law. This 'western countries are no better' excuse for Thailand's failure to apprehend and punish the man is simply nonsense that is dragged out by westerners who have forgotten that a legal system and consequences for the rich still exist back home. At least their cases are fought in court and if they fled overseas, I am sure an Interpol alert would fetch them home rather than being the joke that this one has become.
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Tourists given suspended jail sentences/fines after Bangkok-Sathorn raid
in Bangkok News
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Who cares about the semantics. It's obvious the Chinese enjoy favourable treatment with regard to breaking the law. Money talks.