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15 hours ago, GinBoy2 said:

I know I sound like a broken record, but noobies to Thailand don't understand how the system works.

 

This isn't any system like in the West, where assets can be frozen in order to force action.

 

It's an inherently corrupt cabal of very wealthy families, where rule of law just doesn't exist for them, they literally exist above the law.

 

You can write a thousand messages of outrage and it makes not an ounce of difference to these people.

 

The very idea that his parents or family feel any remorse or a sense that their child needs to stand up and face the consequences is laughable.

 

I'd do anything I could to help any of my kids if they did something wrong, while at the same time making sure that they felt the consequences of their actions.

 

Thai HiSo families don't seem to have that same moral compass that most of us do

People understand the situation. They just don't accept it and wish to criticise it, which can be done through this forum. Just because we cannot alter an unpalatable situation does not mean we have to sit back and accept it.

37 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said:

Thing is, it's their country, they decide what they are prepared to tolerate, and it appears the majority of Thai's are prepared to tolerate a lot.

 

Folks on an English language forum can huff and puff till the cows come home, but it'll make not one jot of difference.

 

Again and 'if' you can speak Thai, watch Thai TV news, which I do daily, and it's total radio silence.

 

I understand your outrage, but it's all for nought if Thai's themselves can't be bothered to change the system, and in my experience every time they have tried it ends up bloody.

 

Which might explain their increasing apathy

Yeah I guess people get the government they deserve. Political apathy and a lack of awareness or interest in the rest of the world is always going to prevent Thailand from significantly advancing as a country. 

8 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said:

I think there is some misunderstanding of what a Red Notice actually does.

 

A few years back at least, I did look it up and he was there, then a few weeks later it disappeared.

 

But all it means is that if local law enforcement are aware of his location, they inform Thai authorities and ask if they 'wish' the individual to be detained and deported.

 

This of course was the time when the pictures of him emerging from a house in London surfaced in a British tabloid.

 

We can only surmise that the Thai authorities chose not to request detainment even though, at the time the red notice was in effect.

 

To the noobies, get over it. This is just how Thailand rolls, and all of us will have long turned to dust before any of it changes 

I don't see why anyone, noobies or not, should 'get over it'. Surely maintaining and if possible intensifying the rage is a better approach if justice is to be served. And if justice is never going to be served, I don't want Prayut's weak, corrupt government to be allowed to sweep this incident under the carpet and protect its rich cronies from the consequences of their actions. I fully support the young protestors and anyone else with the courage to call out this regime for its double standards. My Thai mate doing 13 years in prison never had the luxury of having money to buy his way out of a conviction and his crime is insignificant compared to that committed by Vorayuth. This government is a disgrace, having displayed its unwillingness and inability to tackle the controversial or tough issues in society. Maintain the pressure on them. If Thailand chooses to 'roll' with this sort of nonsense, there is no reason for any of us to follow suit. The rich in this country always win. 

35 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Please exercise some caution. I got suspended recently for making a similar reference. It is not tolerated by the mods. 

Me too. Beware.

9 hours ago, TheFishman1 said:

All these people in the government involved with the vaccine rollout should be ashamed they lied they cheated and they stalled it’s been over a year and the rollout is a total disgrace to this government TIT

Now as a reasonably well off developing country they are going with their begging bowl to Covax expecting a handout to compensate the deficiencies of their planning. Pathetic.

1 hour ago, Strongheart said:

Either one is like playing Russian Roulette with your immune system.

In the case of AZ, this is nonsense.

18 minutes ago, onekoolguy said:

I kind of agree, but wonder if it will be ok to take Moderna or other more effective vaccines on top of the Sinovac?

Mixing and matching is actually a practice that authorities elsewhere are promoting for extra protection. 

1 hour ago, TheFishman1 said:

All these people in the government involved with the vaccine rollout should be ashamed they lied they cheated and they stalled it’s been over a year and the rollout is a total disgrace to this government TIT

It can also happen in developed countries too like Australia where only 11% of the population is vaccinated. Like Thailand, the AZ is manufactured locally, but unlike Thailand, people are afraid of blood clots etc, hence much of it is being exported. Nowhere near enough Pfizer was ordered. At least here there is some transparency around the reasons for the shortfall.

4 hours ago, Cake Monster said:

For years now, the BIB have been stopping the Pickup Trucks full of Migrant Labour and demanding 200 Baht / head from them.

Without the Migrants in transit, I guess that we all need to pay the 200 Baht now.

That's disgraceful. 

5 minutes ago, junk1e said:

Sticky rice balls. Re soi dogs in crates heading to slaughter houses. Are you talking historically or are you still seeing this in Thailand?

 

Sounds like he is talking about the dog supply via Thailand to Vietnam which I thought Soi Dog Foundation had helped to eradicate. Why am I not surprised that an illegal operation would still continue?

5 hours ago, Sticky Rice Balls said:

reminds me when I see the trucks with cages of soi dogs or the hogs headed to slaughterhouse..

 

protip--do NOT get behind a hog truck on your motobike aka downwind.......life lesson # 294059

Where do you see them given that there is no dog slaughter in Thailand? 

1 minute ago, Stevemercer said:

My wife and I are scheduled for tomorrow (7 June) at 7:00 am in Mahasarakham province. I didn't make any booking, the head nurse (a friend of my wife did it for us).

 

My wife was very reluctant because they said you could not drink beer for a day before and after.

You can drink beer before a jab!!!

42 minutes ago, DavisH said:

Not taking BP is bloody sloppy. If you are over abour 140/90 they are likely to refuse jabbing you. I had to wait some time to allow my PB to drop to an acceptable level. Anyone on BP medication should continue taking it and not stop it for the jab. 

Blood pressure is not taken in Australia before a jab.

27 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

See...even more victims; and don't forget the girl/boyfriends, fiancés, and in-laws. Then there's the people and shopkeepers they probably robbed and stole from to fund their habit...and the employers they embezzled funds from...and the people they borrowed money from with no intention of paying it back. The list of victims is almost endless.

If you go to a prison and see the families in large numbers throughout the day visiting their relatives inside, you would soon realise that many prisoners enjoy a high level of support from the people you claim are their victims.

24 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

See...even more victims; and don't forget the girl/boyfriends, fiancés, and in-laws. Then there's the people and shopkeepers they probably robbed and stole from to fund their habit...and the employers they embezzled funds from...and the people they borrowed money from with no intention of paying it back. The list of victims is almost endless.

They get more than enough punishment for their crime. They do not also deserve to be captive victims to covid.

15 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Sorry if I offended you...but I don't have much sympathy for criminals...more for their victims.

80% of Thais in prison are in for drug offences, most of them minor. Who are the obvious victims other than themselves? It is said that one year in a Thai prison is equivalent to 5 years in an American prison and those inside genuinely pay for their crimes. But you would have then suffer much more! Why not just save the couple of dollars a day spent on Thai prisoners and humanely dispose of them, which would also fulfil your desire to avenge the 'victims'. 

8 minutes ago, sandyf said:

"Doing a crime' does not mean that you should leave yourself open to contracting illnesses"

Would that also apply to getting old?, try and keep a bit of perspective.

There has been more covid deaths in UK care homes than cases in Thai prisons.

Of course there have been a lot of deaths in aged care facilities all around the world because the people in the homes die as a result of comorbidity. People in prison are largely not of an age expected to die - except that respiratory diseases, especially TB which has been eradicated in most of the world, is rife in ThaI jails. Perspective? You have no idea.

50 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Everyone has been affected by the pandemic...both within and without prisons and there have been prison outbreaks in well run and funded ones in advanced countries and of course in over crowded ones in poor countries. Community living facilities are not places one wants to be during a respiratory virus pandemic. That being said, what's your solution...put them all up in private rooms at all the empty hotels in the country?

I have no solution other than to say that Thai prisons are unbelievably overcrowded and the prisoners were always going to be endangered by the conditions and the lack of concern by prison authorities and government. My comment was simply directed at you. I don't expect Thai authorities to care about the plight of prisoners who are doing the time and much more for their crime. I just would have expected a bit bit more compassion from an expat or foreigner than you displayed in your grossly insensitive comment.

4 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

I think fake numbers... In Phetchaburi yesterday more than 600 cases on 1 day... Every day we see numbers of cases of "normal" people around 2000 and prisons are going up.. I think that they use the prisoners to hide real infections. How many prisons are there in Thailand?? and How many in each prison?? I think they don't want to publish that. So keep the numbers steady rising but bit by bit and only for certain groups. The whole situation in Thailand is worse than they show and want us to believe.

148 prisons and 380000 prisoners.