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8 minutes ago, sandyf said:

"Doing a crime' does not mean that you should leave yourself open to contracting illnesses"

Would that also apply to getting old?, try and keep a bit of perspective.

There has been more covid deaths in UK care homes than cases in Thai prisons.

Of course there have been a lot of deaths in aged care facilities all around the world because the people in the homes die as a result of comorbidity. People in prison are largely not of an age expected to die - except that respiratory diseases, especially TB which has been eradicated in most of the world, is rife in ThaI jails. Perspective? You have no idea.

50 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Everyone has been affected by the pandemic...both within and without prisons and there have been prison outbreaks in well run and funded ones in advanced countries and of course in over crowded ones in poor countries. Community living facilities are not places one wants to be during a respiratory virus pandemic. That being said, what's your solution...put them all up in private rooms at all the empty hotels in the country?

I have no solution other than to say that Thai prisons are unbelievably overcrowded and the prisoners were always going to be endangered by the conditions and the lack of concern by prison authorities and government. My comment was simply directed at you. I don't expect Thai authorities to care about the plight of prisoners who are doing the time and much more for their crime. I just would have expected a bit bit more compassion from an expat or foreigner than you displayed in your grossly insensitive comment.

4 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

I think fake numbers... In Phetchaburi yesterday more than 600 cases on 1 day... Every day we see numbers of cases of "normal" people around 2000 and prisons are going up.. I think that they use the prisoners to hide real infections. How many prisons are there in Thailand?? and How many in each prison?? I think they don't want to publish that. So keep the numbers steady rising but bit by bit and only for certain groups. The whole situation in Thailand is worse than they show and want us to believe.

148 prisons and 380000 prisoners.

5 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Not so good...but 60% are prison cases so easier to contain.

Sure. Just let them die quietly. There are many many prisoners who have gone through severe bouts of TB, not once but in many cases twice, whose immune system and lungs are severely weakened. Many could easily succumb to the virus and die. I can tell you for a fact that the prison guards don't give a <deleted> about the symptoms of illness prisoners display. There is also no way half a prison population can be isolated. Prisoners in isolation also cannot eat the free prison 'meals' with other prisoners, and I doubt they will be served meals in bed. The jails have a serious crisis on their hands and they are not equipped to handle them. What is happening inside Thai prisons is an absolute disgrace and an indictment on a totally incompetent government.

4 hours ago, Somtamnication said:

That will bring tourists back in droves..................... to Cambodia!!!!

Except that tourists have no chance to enter Cambodia

The Thais lurch from a bad idea to a worse one. Whatever respect the world held them in last year I am sure is pretty much evaporated now, just like the alcohol sprayed by the drones.

5 minutes ago, fleccer said:

My Thai wife refusal the vaccination as well, like as at least 50% of her colleagues at work

Australia and Thailand have shown themselves to have a lot in common on vaccinations - slow rollout (though Australia is well ahead now) and many people refusing the vaccine (1 in 3 in Australia say they will not get it). Stupid people.

22 minutes ago, sambum said:

 

Or if you are a foreigner with underlying health problems and 60+ years of age, you can further complicate it by putting no 4  into the mix.

 

And I read somewhere that high blood pressure, and/or high cholesterol constitute underlying health problems - probably quite a high proportion of the over 60's fall into that category! (The first source I looked at says " 70% to 79% of men ages 55 and older are now classified as having hypertension" (American source)

 

Australian requirement on high blood pressure was that you had to be on 2 medications for it.

4 hours ago, Misterwhisper said:

Didn't I predict it? By next week it will be adjusted to September, then October, and so forth.

 

Not that I am in any hurry to have any of these insufficiently tested vaccines into my veins. I am not an "anti vaxxer", but this all went too fast. 

What, you don't think that the world has been standing still long enough after a full year of closed borders? You have so little to do with the rest of your life that you are prepared to endure the status quo for several more years while vaccines are tested to your satisfaction? I am 68 and want to get back overseas before it's too late for me. I have already had my first AZ shot and looking forward to my second. 

2 hours ago, edwardandtubs said:

 

 

Take away the prison numbers and it's clearly not exponential. The doommongers have been saying for over a month now that numbers are going exponential yet here we are with general population cases still in the 2000s. 

 

And the lockdown fanatics are also out in force in this thread. But 6,853 of today's cases were of people already locked down so how would locking down the general population have made any difference? Should the prison officers be working from home?

The prisoners are not so much locked down as locked in with the virus and jammed into cells like sardines.  What nonsense to wish to paint a rosy picture of Thai daily cases by taking away the prison numbers. You are as bad as the Thais in your attitude to prisoners. They are Thai citizens and at the mercy of the state and the virus. 

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Wow angry much, 

He or she has good reason to be angry. The Thais have made a real mess of this latest outbreak. 

18 hours ago, connda said:

I just talked to the Mrs about the dictatorial powers of Thai governors.  She responded with a comment directed at the governor that was a reference to male genitalia. The Mrs was never a blushing lass. 
She then shared a spreadsheet she received by someone connected to our local goverment regarding the numbers of villagers taking their government up on their vaccination offer and registering for a vaccination (the Mrs was invited to sign up almost a month ago so vaccination registration has been open for quite awhile).  The average number of those registering was about 30% of villagers from all local villages, in other word, 70% don't want the shot.  In one of the largest villages only 5% of the villagers signed up.  So if you don't know what rural Thais think about all this vaccination rigamarole - now you do.  A lot of the issues involve knowing the global track record of the AZ vaccine and the number of countries rejecting the vaccine.  My Mrs doesn't want to assume the risk.  She is not giving informed consent to take the experimental AZ vaccine that is authorized only under emergency authorization.
Rule 1 of the Nuremberg Code.
The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision.

And here I thought Thais lived in a bubble.  I guess that rural Thais are a little more worldly than I previously thought.  Good for them.
I think mandating masks is one thing as most Thais go along.
But mandating shots?  Repeatedly stating that the manufacturers say they are "safe" doesn't inspire confidence when people are getting sick after vaccinations and suffering from the same symptoms - blood clots.  Yeah, mandating shot will be a different buffalo. 

From the Thai National Anthem:
Thais love peace, but are not afraid to fight. 

I wonder if this will be the straw that broke the camel's back?

I believe that a large percentage of Thais not wanting to be vaccinated is not so much a sign of worldliness but ignorance. A vaccination for all is precisely what Thailand requires and the last thing it needs is large slabs of people reluctant to be immunised. Much more worldly populations than Thailand's are happily accepting the very minor risks and being injected, knowing that mass immunisation is the only way out of this mess.

12 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

If you read it a different way they say they are controlling the spread that to me sounds like they are spreading the virus, because they sure as ..it are not stopping the spread just controlling it like they said.That means wait for herd immunity within the prison system and taking out the more severe cases.

Take into account the large number of prisoners with TB or weakened from past bouts with it, and the potential for a high number of deaths exists,

1 hour ago, Golden Triangle said:

I seem to remember a few weeks back that  some testing in prisons ( maybe Pattaya prison ) not sure now, anyway some testing was done & the results published here or somewhere, it all seemed okay at the time, now there seems to have been an explosion of cases in Bangkok's two main prisons, the conditions inside are ideal for a mass contagion, don't tell me that they weren't reporting the prisons as a part of the daily update, I simply refuse to believe that, how can they possibly ignore Thailand's prison population of 380,000 people

Actually, I think Thai authorities and population generally could very easily ignore the plight of prisoners. Prisoners are the lowest of the low in Thailand. Only the families of prisoners have any concern for their welfare.

9 hours ago, cyril sneer said:

problem is, people won't

And why shouldn't people focus on the prison cases as well those in general population. Surely prisoners are members of the community and should be included in the daily cases. If there are 2800+ cases in just 2 prisons, imagine how many there are likely to be in 148? This government has been exposed for its weakness and dishonesty.

13 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

OK I should have said a few years ago, better now?

I am not having a go at you. I am just saying that I believe that for a number of months there have only been online visits due to covid. 

4 hours ago, ChipButty said:

I have done a couple of visits to prison as a visitor in Thailand, they were behind glass panels with iron bars across and that wasn't high security

To the best of my knowledge prison visits haven't happened for months.

4 hours ago, ChipButty said:

Im amazed there hasn't been a few outbreaks before this, throwing 50 in a cell,

50? I have seen 300 in a cell.

3 hours ago, pjuk said:

I love it.

Give me the the chaos of Thailand any time compared to the regimented, regulated, politicly correct BS that my homeland offers.

 

I prefer the even greater chaos and lesser regulated and regimented Cambodia to Thailand.

16 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I think a lockdown is inevitable. 

 

But, lets not panic - the numbers in Thailand are still far far less than exist in our home countries. 

 

That said, the ‘whole numbers’ are somewhat irrelevant and simply depend on the amount of people tested. 

If Thailand were to test 100,000 random cases per day, how many of those would be positive. 

400,000 per day? how many of those?

Testing 3000 people per day who have symptoms or been exposed to someone with symptoms or have tested positive is a highly misleading observation / metric of the true picture of the Covid-19 outbreak in Thailand. 

 

 

Of far greater significance is: 

1) Number of People who have died because of Covid-19

2) Number of People in ICU because of Covid-19 (and available beds)

3) Number of serious Covid-19 cases (i.e. Number of people in hospitals requiring treatment for Covid-19)

 

 

Thailand still needs to concentrate on getting the Vaccines distributed as quickly as possible. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If your home country is Australia or New Zealand then Thailand's numbers are certainly not way less than those 2 countries.