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Who cares and what the hell is Downtown Abbey?
Would anyone in Britain care if Nok Noi and Thongchai Mcintyre made a video about the treatment of rabbitsin the UK?
Good questions, as usual.
Make you wonder who is organizing something like this and for what reason?
More dogs eaten in Vietnam, China and South Korea. The latter very cruel.
The Japs are killing Whales again.
Game birds are bred and reared to be blasted out the sky in the UK. Deer are hunted in Scotland. Poaching going on all over the world, rhino and elephant slaughter in Africa etc etc.
Seems like someone or some group might be trying to keep Thailand under scrutiny for all the wrong reasons at the moment, cause as much trouble as possible for them. Paint them as the worst when they're not.
What a load of rubbish! Poor Thailand being victimised!
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People who complain about the amount of dogs in their soi should help pay for them to be neutered or humanely put to sleep and help clean up their Sois rather than just sit on the bar stool and moan about it put your money where your mouth is [ I doubt it very much ] Most dogs that go into rescues in USA/UK end up being euthanized anyway I doubt this very much all my dogs that I have in the UK come from shelters and all the ones I donate money to do not put down heathy animals, not sure about the USA possibly a country full of greedy people so just put their dogs down, but defiantly not happening in the UK we put our money where our mouths are.
Pay whom? Labour is cheap in Thailand, so I suspect many people who are bothered by snarling and potentially dangerous soi dogs would gladly pay an agency or a company a reasonable fee to have them humanely removed.
Please advise us further about this, so we can contact the people who provide this service, or you may be accused of sitting on a bar stool and unreasonably moaning about people who complain about soi dogs.
BTW, I guess your "bar stool" comment was to compromise the character of some people. If you don't like soi dogs then you must be some some degenerate alcoholic who spends the day in bar. Cheap shots at people don't make your opinion any stronger.
Isn't the fact that dogs are not "put down" here, as they are in some other countries, something to do with Buddhist beliefs?
Thai vets in my experience will not put down injured animals because of Buddhism. Doesn't seem to matter if the animal suffers pain or incredible inconvenience.
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Seriously, with all the problems in the world celebs get together to help with this???? Hardly Bob Geldof's live aid is it, could think of thousands of things that need the media attention more than this.
Thats right Jeremy, cos Ebola is never talked about is it? Or the fact Islamic lunatics are beheading innocent people in the name of their god. Oh hang on, we never hear of the Ukraine airplane anymore do we, or the one went in to the ocean, presumably.
So <deleted> has other problems around the globe to do with the fact dogs, soi or not, are being treated with huge cruelty in a land that supposedly doesn't eat their meat and is also strongly Buddhist?
I stand corrected, this is absolutely the best use of celebrity status possible. How blind of me not to see it the first time, thanks.
How would you explain a cage full of dogs about to be clubbed to death to your little daughter?
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hmm, the usual - our set of values in the West are superior to your set of values in the East. Why doesn't she speak up about the cruel treatment of cows or pigs or chickens in Britain? But then it's ok to raise those animals in mass inhumane farms, kill them and eat those animals, but just not dogs......
There is no point replying to posters like you who so totally miss the point.
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It is amazing to me that people would think of speaking out against a valid food source, yet say nothing about cruelty towards humans; child labor, child abuse, slavery of migrants. I believe that humans should be first before animals. If it means that humans eat animals to gain protein, so much the better for both animals and humans.
Read my post above about human culling. And who says the same people protesting the barbaric treatment of dogs isn't also concerned about other issues in this world!
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People eat meat. Some people eat dog meat. Why is it that people that are always going on about tolerance seem determined to force the world to adopt their ways? Next thing, they'll be going after the French for eating rabbits.
Yeh but eating dog meat is illegal, therefore there are no checks whatsoever on how they are transported to their destination.
Do you think these pics are an acceptable way to transports dogs 1000's of kms?
Anyone who thinks these pictures represent acceptable treatment of dogs needs to be culled from the human race.
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People eat meat. Some people eat dog meat. Why is it that people that are always going on about tolerance seem determined to force the world to adopt their ways? Next thing, they'll be going after the French for eating rabbits.
It's not about what people eat but how the animals are treated and killed. Why can't you get this through your thick head! The Chinese, Vietnamese and apparently Thais go out of their way to dispatch the dogs in the cruelest way possible.
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About 15 years ago when I worked for a year in Phuket after 5 years in Bangkok, I used to drink of a night time at the open air bars in Patong. I did a bit of research and investigation into the rose selling kids there. I could speak Thai and questioned the kids, then lucked one day upon the shanty town in which they lived outside of Phuket town. The group was run by a large woman who was assisted by the mothers of a couple of the kids, though the vast majority of the children had supposedly been left in the woman's care by their parents who had gone off elsewhere.
The Fagan woman bought the flowers 50 for 90 baht and the kids sold them for 10 baht each, giving her a profit of 410 baht on each bunch. The kids ranged in age from about 6 through to 15. They started work at about 6pm and worked through till 3am or when the bars closed next morning. They were then driven back to their accommodation in Phuket town. Unbelievably most attended the locally primary school in the daytime - this was part of the deal with the parents that their kids would be educated, and the Fagan woman was actually fairly strict with their attendance. The amazing part of it all, given how little sleep they had, was that the kids were able to function at school and on the job. The Patong police obviously got a cut and there were also adult protectors hovering in the background. The women in the syndicate sat out back of the open air bars preparing the flowers and restocking the kids.
There were a few Burmese kids in the group, but the vast majority of the children were Thai. The Burmese children would occasionally get picked up by the police but then be bought out by the Fagan woman. Many of the kids confessed to hating flower selling. There were also kids (teenagers) selling cigarettes who seemed to be free lancers. They claimed to be paying a monthly bribe to police of around 1000 baht during high season.
There was also a second wave of children who would descend upon Patong at 9pm. Many of these arrived on miniature motor scooters which would be parallel parked on the main drag. These were the pick pockets. Their modus opperandi was to accost foreign men on the footpath by wrapping their arms around them in a group hug. A stolen wallet would be passed quickly through the group and into the hands of one child who would secrete it on his body. I watched this occur one night then accused the boy who had finished up with the wallet. He denied having the wallet and the tourist seemed reluctant to push the issue. Besides, there were about 6 children involved, and a Thai male appeared and made it clear that my involvement was not appreciated.
About 30 minutes later walking on the same stretch of path, I was king hit from behind. When I came to my senses, I went to Patong police station to report the assault and the background to it. A policeman accompanied me back to the area where of course we failed to locate the guy who had earlier threatened me and I assumed hit me. The police also showed no interest in my claims about the pick-pocketing gang. Despite the central location of the police station, police presence in the streets was almost non-existent. The criminals were basically left to ply their trade without interference.
There was also a group of Kamen beggars who I had seen in Bangkok and Pattaya who would come down (by air con bus) to Phuket in the tourist season. The children were sent out to make the money with the woman supervising in the background. In Pattaya, Kamen children were often involved selling chiclets at the bars. The children generally knew more Thai than their parents. Child beggars in tourist areas make good money as do mums with small babies. Rarely would you see men involved in supervision or begging. I assumed they were probably somewhere drinking the proceeds of the children's labour.
As for the article, I find it hard to believe that the majority of children in the Kaosan racket are from Burma. The Burmese border is a long way from Bangkok, and I am sure that the child owners would find plenty of destitute locals willing to sell their children into the racket. The writer needs to do some serious research if she really want to get to the bottom of the exploitation of these children. She barely skims the surface of the problem and how she arrives at the figure of 500 children involved is a mystery
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Ha Ha ah ha ha !
CCTV will get safety when their guards are sleeping !!!!
They have guards employed for sleeping in working time !!
Ha ha ha ha !!
In other countrys guards are fired if they sleep on working time,
you need to watch your guards by CCTV !!!
Between 4pm and 6am next morning, prisoners are together in their cells without being observed by guards or, I believe, CCTV footage of cell activity. It is not a case of guards sleeping but rather not being present at all. Without this private time, prisoners would not be able to charge or use the mobile phones that are smuggled in. Prisoners wishing to bully or victimise other prisoners can do so knowing their actions will not be observed.
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I am guessing that people who have not been drug users, do not know how to go about getting them without taking a chance on being arrested and ending up even worse off. The only way that I know is to ask a tuk-tuk driver and that ends badly for many people.
You'd be on the money with that reasoning. Even those who do take drugs come unstuck in Thailand and elsewhere, often becoming unwilling contributors to the police benevolent fund when trying to score. Thailand is probably a nightmare in which to procure drugs given how squeaky clean it has sought to become. Scoring from tuk tuk drivers would be enough to drive you to suicide. If they were your only drug source, your life would be a living death anyway.
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59 years old in a foreign country with no job, probably no money and no prospects of getting either one. It might seem like the most sensible thing to do.
RIP
I was thinking about that yesterday. Thailand attracts a lot of people most of them good people. But it does attract a lot of desperate people looking for some thing in a bottle and a women also drugs which Thailand is well known to have an ample supply of all three.
After a while they realize they are still looking and just decide to end the search for what ever. There seems to be a lot of deaths in Thailand by falls off of balconies. I just wonder if in some of those cases it is a deliberate fall with no assistance.
Just a thought
If you read the Pattaya Mail, quite a few tourists tend to die from flinging themselves off balconies. I often ask myself much the same as you - did he jump or was he pushed? Surely with some heavy duty drugs available in Cambodia or Laos, or even Thailand, why choose such a desperate method of suicide? Jumping from heights doesn't seem a great option.
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What?? Parking fee at 2:30 am??? It can't be true.
It was not a parking fee, it is a payment to look after his car so it does not get damaged, well it sounds like it did, i know it is stand over and wrong but sometimes better to pay and not have a problem and next time not to go back to the same place again.
Get a life mate! Nobody pays 40 baht to not damage your car for 5 minutes. Refusal to pay does not warrant kicking a car and belting it and the person with a lump of wood. Besides, when you pay people not to damage a parked car, you do so when you park your car not when you return to it.
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Seriously someone would hang themselves over loosing a job??
Another sad Thai ending.
Got to be more to it than just losing a job.
My money is on his lovely teeruk left him also in the process. No money, no honey, however regardless, neither losing a job or/and a GF is worth losing your life over, not even close.
RIP
At age 60 in Thailand, you are finished as a teacher.
What was he gonna do?
Just wait til ASEAN kicks in next year. Most of the current western NES school teachers, in SE Asia (especially, in last placed Thailand), will become immediately un-employed. Start saving your money NOW! You're gonna be needing it, in the (not very distant) future. A word to the wise, should be sufficient.
Can you explain this in more detail. Why will ASEAN cause teachers unemployment?
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wow... He must have had some seriously bad stuff going on. I'm the same age and in the last 12 months we lost our business due to the anti-government protests and left Thailand after 14 years. got given the big 'C' diagnosis from the doctor, I'm now speaking to my wife on the phone daily rather than after work.... Nothing has made me even contemplate what this bloke has done, he must really have had some demons in his head. RIP fella
I hope your own circumstances improve. How did the anti-government protests cause you to lose your business?
We all have different capacities for handling what life throws at us. Our bodies also fall apart in different ways and in different places. Experience builds resilience in some but erodes the will of others. And some of us have more support than others when life is tough. Be understanding and compassionate.
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Sad but he should have approached this forum for assistance. I believe there is a way out for him. RIP.
If I ever felt suicidal, this forum would be the last place in which I would appeal for help. There are a number of decent, compassionate posters here, but there is also no shortage of callous, self-centred folk just as likely to tell you to go end it all and stop ruining their day.
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The same and far worse happens every weekend in every town or city in the UK. Samui is no different and i would say if anything safer. I can only presume Australians don't get drunk and fight ever ?
You are correct, an assualt can happen anywhere in the world.The story is in the treatment of the victim and family after the crime had taken place.As for your sweeping generalzations about Australians and the UK, yes the guy was from Australia that does not mean he is a 'hard drinking Auzzy battler' be careful with sterotypes lest you become one.
The UK does have a major problem with drunken violence but has good policing and care for a victim.The lack sympathy on this site amazes me.
Could you point out the " sweeping generalization " about australians in my post please ? The statement about the UK is FACT not generalization. I also think that the letter to the samui times reads like a " what not to do in the event of an accident " Nobody that was with this man could organise getting the guy to hospital ?
You are a disgrace of a human being. The treatment of the Australian guy by staff at the Green Mango and subsequently in the street is a blight on humanity. If you cannot recognise this fact then you are a person whose grasp on the value of life has reached a point of no return. The negative reaction of so many posters on this site to the plight of this young Australian and his friend makes me wonder if I really want to continue reading let alone post in this forum.
Unfortunately, familiarity of Thais with tourists in places like Patong, Pattaya and now Samui breeds contempt. When I lived in Phuket, on two occasions my beer bottle was grabbed by Thai staff at the bar and smashed over the head of a foreigner in the street. The foreigner had probably behaved badly on both occasions, but it was the gleam in the eyes of the Thais at the opportunity to do some serious damage to a foreigner that was concerning. That staff from a major entertainment venue in Samui not only did not assist but actually aggravated the situation is an indictment on the tourist establishments they represent.
The article about this incident, along with the murders on Koh Tao, got major coverage in all Australian newspapers. I hope people vote with their feet and give Thailand a miss.
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I think 59 years in this world is long enough. I'll be there in a couple years....why go through all the BS.....
Pretty negative thinking, don't you think? I'm 59, retired in Udon, got a wonderful [pregnant] missus. I'm fit, healthy, eat great, no illnesses, Not overweight, and have enough money in Super to live a very comfortable life. I'm looking forward to 69 and then 79.
Maybe you should end It all now, thus taking some of the negative vibes out of the atmosphere.
After 59 years, you may be really comfortable and in great health with everything to look forward to, but you don't seem to have learned much about compassion or empathy. In fact, you come across as a selfish, self indulgent person, somewhat undeserving of all the personal and creature comforts of which you boast. Hopefully at some stage in the future, karma will unexpectedly bite you on the arse.
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In every country you pay big taxes but in thailand you don't.
Tourists benefit by not pay to much expense for good and services on the island and in thailand.
So if tourists want more protection they should pay.
Its simple.
Thais don't need the protection.
What a load of rubbish! Tourists should not require protection, particularly on a small idyllic island such as Koh Tao. What tax Thailand imposes on its own citizens is up to them but it is not up to tourists to make up the shortfall. Can't think of any country where levies are imposed on tourists to provide security during their visit.
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Good standard of discussion in this thread. Step parenting is fraught with difficulty. Lots of Thai street kids are the products of step parents who don't want the kid around.
The usual suspects who seek to discredit or insult other posters seem absent from this thread. Lots of heart felt honesty and some good advice has been expressed. As someone who has no step children but has dealt with them in the context of a welfare job, the conversation has made for interesting reading.
Thai teenagers present their own special challenges, particularly the boys. Asian mums seem much happier raising pre-teens than teenagers. Once the kids start questioning their parents authority, many Thai teens become rebellious and undisciplined, and parents seem uncertain in their parenting styles.
Thanks to many posters for their bleak, happy and hopeful tales of family life. May you be successful in resolving your own situations and living together harmoniously.
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Cab drivers???Only people with bad intentions don't like it.
The only ones that frown at me are the TukTuk and cab drivers...
They'll bend your ear all day if your alone & show you can understand them.
I often talk politics with Taxi drivers. They are are generally happy to chat in my experience. Maybe not in the popular Tourist areas, but everywhere else they are eager to express opinions on many issues.
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Pheu Thai's policies were only "vote buying" if you believe that tax money should rightfully go to the elite, and using it on policies that benefit anyone else is a heinous crime.If our "acid comments" are "music to your ears", then how come you are so keen on seeing them deleted?
Sorry, but the first sentence makes no sense to me, so I cannot comment on it.
I could not care less if your anal comments are deleted or not, but you have as much right as anyone to an opinion. The only posts I report to the mods are the blatant anti-junta comments. Sick of seeing "some" posters flogging that dead horse.
I notice that you have not really answered his points. Why doesn't the junta hold elections if they have such overwhelming support?Why do you feel the need to be an informant to the mods? At school, I imagine you to have been one of the dibber-dobber types, perhaps even a prefect who saw himself more aligned with the school administration rather than your fellow students. It is one thing to support the military junta, but yet another to assist the mods by reporting anti-junta posts. I certainly understand why the administrators of this site wish to eradicate anti-junta thought, but for a mere poster like yourself to so eagerly police political correctness strikes me as unbecoming of someone who is most likely the product of a democratic society.
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There is little enough for Thai prisoners to do during the many hours they are locked up together. A home made bingo set or a pack of cards would both be regarded as contraband items because they could potentially be used for gambling. Only in Thailand could a bunch of people sitting playing a game be arrested and jailed. Given that prisoners are not allowed money inside a jail, it's hardly likely anyone would be playing bingo for high stakes. If prisons were regarded as indicative of a country's moral worth, Thailand would receive a very low rating.
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Do any Australians know the eligibility regulations regarding receiving the pension overseas? I seem to remember reading that you had to have worked in Australia for 35 years (do part time/casual work years count?) but when I attempted to find information about eligibility recently, the only provisos that I could find was that the person had to have lived in Australia 35 years (formerly 25). Does anyone know the true criteria?
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Best and most professional with reasonable price in my opinion is Bangkok international dental center (BIDC) next to the emerald hotel on ratchada (din daeng/huai kwang area).
Google them. Very modern and clean facility, English speaking staff.
You can find cheaper clinics but I think this place is worth it.
Thanks - I did as you said and Googled them but it seems to be all horror stories over on Trip Advisor:
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowTopic-g293916-i3687-k1700692-Dentist_in_Bangkok_BIDC-Bangkok.html
What do you reckon?
I think that 2008 is a long time ago. There are several threads on Trip Advisor from 2013 and 2014 which contain detailed reports of good experiences from people undergoing major dental treatment at BIDC. For instance: http://www.tripadvisor.com.au/ShowTopic-g293916-i3687-k5074410-Bangkok_International_Dental_Centre-Bangkok.html
British stars speak out against dog-meat trade's cruelty: Thailand
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And it is the same with dogs and cats. They are tortured and beaten to sweeten the flavour. It's called a fact, my friend, not a confusion.