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1 hour ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Wrong.  That has been the case for a long time - no dispute.  There has been a lot of legals and illegals in the past.

BUT since they changed the Visa rules - free easier and longer - a lot more people are in Thailand working illegally. This issue with the Philippinos is only one group - there are many more across a lot of industries.   

Well, this is what Thanet had to say:-

Thanet believes that the majority of operators would prefer to legally employ local workers and foreign workers with work permits if the process were simpler, to avoid potential penalties. However, the current immigration process is complicated and inconvenient, causing some operators to resort to illegal recruitment.

“With our tourism industry suffering a severe domestic labour shortage following the pandemic, the government should relax regulations regarding the employment of foreign workers. We still need them to sustain our industry.”

It kind of flows in the opposite direction to what you are saying.

31 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

The point and yourself often seem to miss each other - despite many attempts by many posters.

Maybe you should slow down and try to understand what others are saying.

We are not attacking you - we are disagreeing with what you are writing. 

I know exactly what you said. You said I was wrong and then went on talking about Filipinos.

You also say there has been a massive increase in illegal employment despite visas becoming easier.

That is possible when people don't have the time nor means to wait when they are running from conflict as is very possible in the case of the Burmese.

Can you support your claims of this huge increase in illegal workers with links and facts?

It would be better instead of the single word, "Wrong!!"

I don't need to slow down with anything and my reading skills are fine.

In some of the tourist hotspots that I have been to when having a trip around, I found many Burmese working in hospitality in Koh Samui, and a large amount of Cambodians working in Koh Chang as well.

Even many of the housekeeping in the resorts and maintenance workers were Cambodians.

2 minutes ago, mokwit said:

I am kinda curious what the Thais who used to do those jobs are doing for money now - they can't all be "little ghosts" making more money in Korea.

 

The impression I get in lower Sukhumvit is that there has been a decision by the business  to staff it with non Thais. This, rather than they can't get Thais - although that said, I am also hearing of difficulty getting Thai staff.

A lot of Thais are working away in Korea, but also in Israel and other countries, such as fruit and vegetable industries in Europe.

I know Isaarn women working in the Middle East etc...........I don't think they are all domestic servants.

4 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Wrong.  That has been the case for a long time - no dispute.  There has been a lot of legals and illegals in the past.

BUT since they changed the Visa rules - free easier and longer - a lot more people are in Thailand working illegally. This issue with the Philippinos is only one group - there are many more across a lot of industries.   

There is and was nothing wrong with what I have stated with personal knowledge of these facts and of the Cambodians in question.

I never mentioned the Philippines.

11 hours ago, Patanawet said:

what documents do these agencies that advertise 'you don't even have to go there' require?

Those adverts are a con and the Police have already made announcements telling people not to fall for it.

As well as being illegal, just why would you go that route when the legal way is fairly straightforward with just a few hoops to go through, then you are fine for 5/6 years.

On 3/18/2023 at 5:14 PM, Yellowtail said:

I do not want my government certifying unsubstantiated claims for anyone, nor do I want them spending taxpayer money to substantiate such claims. 

 

 

As far as I knew they charged the person requesting certification for such a service.

4 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

 

 

No I am talking about 830 in the morning.  Just before lunch means you have to sit until they finish the morning people then go to lunch  

 

Well, just follow your gut and go first thing in the morning.

3 hours ago, Chongalulu said:

My local rental shop has a sign " No blacks,no dogs,no Irish ”. Owner says he bought it as a souvenir on a trip to England in the 50s....

That is more probably an American sign, not a British one.

16 minutes ago, RobU said:

That's exactly what he said he wants, it means he will escape justice. 

 He should first be prosecuted and imprisoned and deported at the end of his imprisonment. He should also pay punitive damages and all medical costs

And that is what will happen.

34 minutes ago, brianburi said:

..........unlike the bonkers Brits who have plenty of coastline....

Yes, as all the illegal boat people know, if they struggle to find our coast the French Police are happy to assist.

Not a British person in sight, long let it continue.

What's going on with the Swiss, are they putting something in the chocolates or have they all gone Cuckoo?

9 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Agreed….  But it’s either because of these actions, or the increased reporting of these actions that seems have planted the seeds which now feed a what appears to be a developing anti-faring media-bias….

 

Perhaps deservedly so, but it certainly feels as though the media is running with this bias & publicising any wring step a foreigner makes, when Thai’s committing worse crimes are ignored. 
 

One flag stolen = netizen outrage.

15 people killed though DUI = nothing. 

 

 

Nailed it!

1 hour ago, StayinThailand2much said:

 

(Most) Thais will never understand, or respect the way of foreigners. They are not interested in them at all, but only in their $$$$...

It's called a lack of education and awareness as to what is happening in the outside world and how people live there.

Too many are imbeciles who prefer to sit in their villages talking and listening to garbage with no understanding of the world around them.

Many can't find the EU on a map, let alone the UK or even a large country, say, Russia.

They sit and swallow all the nationalistic crap that is poured down their throats from breakfast until sunset.

https://thethaiger.com/news/national/a-synopsis-of-thailands-educational-system

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_rankings_of_Thailand

45 minutes ago, quake said:

 

Most Thai's don't know the F,ing meaning of the word Respect.

 

Correct,

They are verbally POLITE but they have no manners, if you get my meaning.

2 hours ago, Ironmike said:

A Farang might of kicked a women, no real evidence, and I do not condone this behaviour, drunken Russian women kills two kids,, two year suspended sentence nothing, Chinese  drive a jeep on the beach and sink it, nothing no charges, another Russian kills Thai girl near Saturdays in Rawai, so far nothing happening,, ladyboys going crazy in Bangkok,, nothing,,Indians causing trouble in Pattaya,, nothing happening and now us good expats are possibly going to have to jump through hoops to keep our visa with background checks?? I've lived here for 20 years and never had trouble, nothing so here's the simple answer,, stop giving out free visas to the trouble makers like the Russians that are here working and driving drunk,, wake up people were not all bad

They choose the incidents that they wish to be ' outraged by ' in this country.

Plenty of this is fuelled by social media and the press.

19 hours ago, bendejo said:

Nothing like a brief stay in, say, Bangladesh, to improve the appreciation.

 

I had a guy up here last year who is also a cricket coach for women's teams. He said the same about Bangladesh.

However, the country he viewed as the absolute worst, and he has been going all around cricket nations, was UGANDA.

I have no desire to go to any of these places, but for rampant corruption, rudeness and authorities being plain nasty towards him, he said Uganda took the prize.

19 hours ago, connda said:

"There?"  So you admit you don't live here. Live here a decade or so and you'll understand all sides of the coin, although certain expert members will keep pushing the "you're only a guest here" trope.  However, say that about a Thai living in North Hollywood or some other Thai enclave, and working on a 10 year tourist visa while a pro-bono immigration lawyer plies the US legal framework looking for ways to provide that person citizenship, or at least a green card?  Well, tell that person they should "go home if they have any complaints" or insinuate that they are only "a guest" in the US and you'll be called a racist and a nationalist.  Point out the systemic racism and nationalism here and you're called disgruntled.  Sorry - I really dislike hypocrisy and I'll point it out when I see it. 

 

Well said,

and that's how I see it as well.

32 minutes ago, patman30 said:

or is there some way they can deny a foreigner to leave and not provide a visa for them to stay?

Yes, if he has a case in the court. He will be appointed an immigration officer and his passport produced by said officer as and when.

3 minutes ago, Lacrimas said:

Yeah until the day comes that they get scammed by a local and get a reality check.

For sure 100%

That's when they wake up and smell the coffee and I was that soldier, twice, many years ago!

I lend money to nobody anymore, Thai or expat.