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No doubt there will be a referendum.

I think the little englanders will be surprised when their 'no' case for EU membership falls flat on its face.

Numerous examples of the cost of being out will be shown, and the impact on the hip pocket will be calculated from having to be outside the EU tariff wall.

The hip pocket nerve will kick in and people will look out for themselves. And they'll vote to stay in. London to a brick...

Good post. When the ramifications of leaving the EU are clearly explained to the British public and the Little England policies of UKIP are exposed to the limelight, the self-interest of most rational thinking people will lead to a vote to stay in.

That said, if a Labour/Lib Dem coalition forms the next government, which thanks to UKIP looks increasingly likely, the chance of there being a referendum is very low.

I disagree.

Did you forget the TV debates between Farage and Clegg on the EU membership OUT and IN'?

Farage wiped the political floor with Clegg who was trying his best for 2 hours to 'expose' the OUT argument. He failed miserably. There have been dozens of debates on EU membership this year alone, all widely watched on TV.

The 'little Englanders' as you refer to them are very aware of what is at stake, and the surge in UKIP popularity tells everyone that they know what is what.

The wider populous knows, they don't need to be made aware, I have full UK TV channels and so I know how much coverage this has been getting... almost daily.

The 'little Englanders' know the score, they are not politically ignorant as you seem to think.

You make it sound as though the British public know nothing. They even have political workshops in schools now.... you know?

No doubt there will be a referendum.

I think the little englanders will be surprised when their 'no' case for EU membership falls flat on its face.

Numerous examples of the cost of being out will be shown, and the impact on the hip pocket will be calculated from having to be outside the EU tariff wall.

The hip pocket nerve will kick in and people will look out for themselves. And they'll vote to stay in. London to a brick...

No way.

The tariff is fake economics that was sold to the gullible back in the 70s.

Loss of excise duty from EU imports left the then governments taking from other sources within the country. So we were already hit on 'the hip' as you put it.

Lest ye not forget the other major economic impacts on the British public being growing youth unemployment and a glut of excess workers increasing daily driving salaries down down down down, another casualty of EU membership, so we are hit in 'the hip' there too..

More cash needed to fund an ailing NHS that is overburdened as well as the education system and welfare system, that hits us in 'the hip' too.

55 million a day in EU membership fees as well as 8.6 billion a year all GBP not USD or EURO. That hit us in 'the hip' too.

Don't think for one minute the EU are going to bump up the tariff to the UK in some sort of childish retribution. That is not going to happen. They know full well the Brits will simply once again start doing most of its trading with the rest of the world. Our market is far too lucrative.

The trade tariffs WILL remain the same via a separate trade agreement... Just you watch.

In the end of the day, I remember the days before the EU, and it was a much better standard of living with much less disparity between wages and the cost of living. Britain was doing damn well till we signed up with the EEC, now EU superstate.

Britain is slowly being turned into an Eastern European state, and we all know what a mess the Eastern bloc is.

I say 'sod the naysayers'. I will vote OUT and take my chances because the current situation is going to kill the UK dead at the hands of France and Germany.

All the politicians know full well a referendum will be a massive OUT vote, none of them have for one minute ever motioned to anything else which is the reason why none of them have come through with one..... Cameron will renege (again) if he gets into power unless Labour nicks the majority in the election and UKIP will be begged by the Tories to form a coalition at the cost of a fully signed agreement to hold a referendum.

The EU and their dream of an anti-democratic political union need the UK a hell of a lot more than we need them.

If that clip is supposed to be substance you are just continuing on your ignorant way. If you want to back up your ridiculous claims you'll have to do better than that.

Farage is an inveterate liar with a big mouth who has adopted some of the racist & hateful crap of the National Front.

Ireland were NOT told anything of the sort - someone just gave an opinion which was worthless & was ignored.

Farage was completely unopposed on that revelation because it was on record. He wouldn't stand up 3 yards away from a man who he is accusing of what he attempted to do to Ireland. If Farage was lying why didn't Weiss stand up and oppose him?????? Go back to sleep.

Your other views are hilarious and symptomatic of the mud slinging jokers whop are trying their best to make UKIP look racists.

Well it hasn't worked for the past 2 years by all their political opponents and their little media puppets. As a matter of fact it has just whipped up more support for UKIP, so it is failing and failing fast..... Because they echo the thoughts of massive swathes of the British public, and if that is racism, then so are about 60% of Clacton voters and so will be the majority of Rochester and Strood in the coming weeks because they will landslide that bi-election also.

So if this is racism, then that's fine by me, I am a racist because I want what is best for my country and the majority of the country.

In my town, I don't know a single person who is not pissed off by the EU and open door policy and its effects on the country..... You are part of the problem...... Thank god you are a tiny minority of PC clones. Nobody is listening to you any more.

Carry on the good work of alienating the common man against your political views and driving the herds to UKIP.

Come May 2015 the elections will be close and UKIP will end up holding the balance of power in the UK and we will get the referendum, and we will be out of Europe.... I can't wait for the day it happens, because it will seriously piss off people like you, and that is where I will get my greatest feeling of satisfaction.

I don't particularly care what your political opinions are but you are entitled to them. But if you're going to quote what a politician says as verbatim I feel sorry for you.

The clip, which is quite old is part of a debate and none of the people that Farage was mouthing off about attempted to stop him, which is excellent debating courtesy. You, of course didn't make any attempt to look at the response to his diatribe.

To repeat, Ireland was told nothing (they did NOT suspend democracy) - you are just parroting a politician you support who's opinion is worthless.

I have a different standard - never quote a politician (even one I support) as fact. It tends to lead to mind-numbing gullibility.

You couldn't be a better person for the UKIP crusade.

It is people like you who are alienating the hung voter from you own party line, it is the huge section of non-voters, and voters on the fence who may be looking at UKIP with interest to see what happens next.

It is those very people who get offended by people like you, who continually label them as 'ignorant', 'racist' and 'gullible' who get offended and in retaliation get off their butts and vote for UKIP.

You don't even realise it is you and your attitude that galvanises the people to go up against your agenda. You don't even know it.... Talk about ignorant and gullible.

Even Grant Shapps has admitted that they tried to ignore UKIP and when it didn't work, they then resorted to undermining them, that didn't work and now have decided to sit up and take notice because they are clearly very much in touch with the voting public. That is the chairman of the Conservative party in response to the Clacton bi-election where UKIP made bi-electoral history.

You can't ignore that.

So obviously the UK ids a nation of racists, gullible and ignorant people..... welcome to the real world.

Your opinion is a joke to reality.... Whatever next?... Are we going to hear how racist UKIP are for endorsing a song that stormed to number one in the charts before being withdrawn because the singer was a white man feigning a Caribbean accent?.... Lol

He obviously has a temporary loan of someones balls............... tnere is no way he has grown a set of his own

When's the next elections?

May 2015

I thought the issue was that Britain has had to restate it's GDP figures because the treasury can't count.

Those figures fed into the calculation of the UK's payments into the EU.

All that's happened is the EU recalculated the UK payment for the last 11 years in line with the new figures and worked out the amount owed.

The UK government might have a point in relation to the deadline, but it's the Treasury that couldn't get it's sums right, so shouldn't there be some civil servant somewhere getting sacked for this.

Twoddle.

The treasury didn't get its figures wrong and the recalculation goes back 19 years to 1995.

The basis of the recalculation has been hashed by the EU commission to include the black economy to include drug dealing and vice (prostitution etc). As far as I am aware, no chancellor saw a penny in revenue from these illegal sources. Unlike most of the EU prostitution and drugs are not legal in UK society let alone taxed.

You are talking complete crud.

The UK can cancel membership any time they want to, it is as simple as that, because we have a sovereign right to leave.

The UK does NOT get more out of the EU than they put in, they probably get the least compared with everyone else. The British have paid in probably hundreds of billions over the years.

France is the country that does the best from the EU... The EU has been pretty much run by France and Germany since the eighties.

Stay away from politics because your post basically screams that you know nothing about European politics, so you should not really be commenting on something you know nowt about.

That is why I don't comment on the motoring forums, I know nothing about it.

Things you know nothing about seems to be a large range of topics. In case you missed the story it's related to economics not politics. I work for a respected economics research department in Thailand. I think that gives me something of a legitimate platform from which to comment.

As I said earlier, benefits through reduced trade tariffs are larger than costs of membership.

If it was in the interests of the UK to leave, and it was so easy to leave, why remain?

No one is holding a gun to their heads.

Stick to commenting on the Daily Mail stories it's clearly more your cup of tea.

OK Mr 'supposedly' economic expert.

Which EU country is the biggest market for imported EU products and then explain the ramifications of being that country under your 'trade tariff' system.

But that aside.... It is not only about tariffs, it is about immigration open door policy, it is about 75% of Britain's laws being made in Brussels by an unelected commission, it is about the EU trying to pull the UK into a federal superstate, it is about the antidemocratic stance of the EU over failed states they have been forced to bail out.

No democracy in Greece any more, and they even told Ireland to suspend its democracy.

I don't want the EUand the sooner we get out the better.... All trade agreements can still stand between the UK and the EU. We won't be frozen out, we are too valuable as a market.

If the rest of your post is as ignorant as 'they even told Ireland to suspend its democracy.', then you don't know what you're writing about.

Manbing is completely right about the economic benefits for trade of being in the EU and I applaud the EU for having an upper house that can challenge any stupid laws passed by individual country's politicians.

I'll go further, Instead of constant complaining about the EU, if only the UK had stood up to be counted and not allowed Germany & France to be the real power in the EU, the UK would have had a lot more influence on decision making. It's nothing but sour grapes with the previously defeated Germans now the top dog.

I beg to differ. It is YOU sir who is displaying ignorance.

At least I can back my opinions up with substance,.

Ireland were told that they 'could not' hold a general election until they agreed their budget by the EU Commission.

I'm now fully confused who is who, who died and where they are from on this story.

It is not unusual for a Nigerian to hold a British passport, we have an open door immigration policy after all.

I mean it seriously when I say, this is Thailand, and if it were to be found that it was Ebola in fact, would the truth win out vs the fear of losing tourist dollars. and would there be a delay in making a truthful , informative, disclosure.

Sadly they will favour tourist revenue over the safety of travellers and the public.

This will be covered up as much as possible, but how they can do that while trying to control the spread of the virus is anybody's guess.

But just an initial attempt to cover an ebola infection up will be giving the green light for it to get out of control in Thailand within days. So I just hope any decision maker on this issue will use their brain and consider that their decision could cause massive infections in a tourist area that will then serve to spread the virus globally as tourists return to their home countries.

A ridiculous position, aimed at garnering support from the UKIP fraternaty.

He knows he has to pay it, I suppose its a bit like asking someone to pay a utility bill within a fixed time. But in order to really get this entitled ass to understand the point, its like having to pay your club membership fees.

Of course one rule for tory elites another for the plebs.

The bottom line is that the UK get more out of the EU than they put in. Right now the UK couldn't drop out even if they wanted to. There is a recession going on and they simply can't afford it.

You are talking complete crud.

The UK can cancel membership any time they want to, it is as simple as that, because we have a sovereign right to leave.

The UK does NOT get more out of the EU than they put in, they probably get the least compared with everyone else. The British have paid in probably hundreds of billions over the years.

France is the country that does the best from the EU... The EU has been pretty much run by France and Germany since the eighties.

Stay away from politics because your post basically screams that you know nothing about European politics, so you should not really be commenting on something you know nowt about.

That is why I don't comment on the motoring forums, I know nothing about it.

Impossible.

Too much scum and corruption at police and civil service level.

Here is a sentence from a National News Bureau of Thailand article dated October 23rd. “Regional Public Prosecution 8 deputy director-general Thawatchai Siangjaew said that “Thai police will be able to answer every doubt raised but no outside authorities can send their people to work on this case as Thai laws do not permit such a scenario”.

What a scam, it's theater, a show for the public, the Brits will not be allowed to work on the case.

it is not a scam

Chris Ware stood up for his friend, and gave a full briefing of what happened that night.

The full details of what Scotland Yard detectives know, is everything we hoped for, and more.

So much so, that the word is, the Police general in charge, has recently gone on sick leave and his whereabouts are unknown

This case has blown wide open, and the people involved know it

Expect this to get bigger than any of the bad actors could have ever expected, and with it, international coverage of their arrests

Hopefully, all those present that night who are now back in UK have given the police what information they can.

Do you have any links to your source of information on all that you say please.

it is all on the CSI LA page on a social network forum that rhymes with spacebook

we cant print the name or post the link

So this forum bans the typing of the word 'facebook' in any post?

I find that probably the most bizarre rule I have ever come across on any forum in the 20 years I have been online.

Are you serious?

Nothing will change to the Thai investigation and their findings. By the way I hope the UK police read the story of blue diamond stealing and the Thai police investigation case.

Why would they? Nothing to do with Britain, and i believe that Saudi cut all diplomatic ties with Thailand over that.

But then again, Saudi is NOT the same as the UK.

The UK has a lot more international leverage than Saudi will ever have. They can really make things uncomfortable for Thailand on the world stage.

Undercover Brit police on KT from week one, where did you get that one from ?

Overseas enquiries tend to be given to experienced officers who are and probably look mature. So a couple of ' older ' tourists arrive on KT and do what ?

Are they fluent Thai speakers who can tune in to what's being said or do they do the obvious and give themselves away by asking questions which set alarm bells off ?

At best they might be taken for reporters which would attract official flak, improper visa, no work permit BUT if identified as police officers ... !

" Oh just on holiday and curious " !

This is real life not your television fantasy.

You really do not like the British do you?

Let's hope the Embassy gave them a very full briefing on what to expect here, what they will be up against and what they MAY be allowed to do / see and most especially what is NOT going to happen.

If this all becomes a waste of time, barely going through the motions, I hope on their return home they are permitted to speak out fully on what did or did not happen. It's too important to have to observe diplomatic niceties so as not to upset Thailand.

You seem to think they are wasting their time here because Thailand is a very important country in the international community/

I don't think so... I would go as far as to say that Thailand has totally pissed the UK off, and the government are under pressure there, and will be put under even more 'uncomfortable' pressure by media and the British public to do something about Thailand.

Thailand is an insignificant sex tourism and hedonist destination. It is of no significant strategic diplomatic importance.

Thailand don't give any assistance to this contingent, it is just going to make more negative press and much more noise than before the offer was made for them to be allowed to come.

Diplomatic niceties my backside.

With regards to the popularity of this case. This case is akin to the Maddie McCann case but with the difference of having loads of evidence screaming out that is being very noticably ignored. This is NOT going to go away and is just going to get worse for Cameron and Thailand.

Cameron wants this wrapped up properly and legally. There is an election next year and he is already up against the wall. If he fails with this, that can be the end of him.

You don't seem to be very well up on the ways of the world, diplomacy or reality.

I know a lot more than you think.

It is you who seems to be totally out of touch with reality here.

I will be proven right over the coming days.

Britain is not Thailand's little bitch. As you seem to think.

But please seeing as you are convinced this is going nowhere. Give the ThaiVisa community something concrete to base your theories on regarding diplomatic niceties and the UK not wanting to upset Thailand.

Did it bother the UK foreign office when Thailand asked the UK to give up that girl who committed lese majeste? I can recall they were very rude in their response to Thailand.

This case has 'human rights abuse' stamped all over it.... So which country is under the most pressure here?