RustBucket

Freedom of movement within the EU is a two way street; British citizens benefit from it as well.

If the UK were to restrict the freedom of movement rights of other EU nationals into the UK, and especially if the UK were to leave the EU altogether; what would happen to the two million plus British citizens currently exercising their freedom of movement rights in other EU countries?

Two million British people emigrated to EU, figures show

Compared to the 2.3 million EU citizens in the UK, which includes people who came after Poland and nine other states joined the Union in 2004, British consular authorities estimate that 2.2 million Britons live in the other 26 EU countries, excluding Croatia, which joined in 2013.

Those figures, as the article says, are from 2010; I accept they may be different four years later, but doubt that the ratio has changed much.

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Under the present system of free handouts by the PC tw*ts (< that has an "a" in it) in government, and the lack of common sense in which countries should be allowed entry to the EU, this is bound to fail, and is already doing so - witness: the scenes at Calais...

Any EU national migrant coming to the UK expecting to get free handouts from the UK tax payer is going to be sorely disappointed!

Q&A: What benefits can EU migrants get?

The myth of migrants ‘flocking’ to Britain’s ‘soft touch’ benefits system

You will see from those two links that EU migrants need to have lived in the UK for at least three months before they can make a claim, and then, among other requirements, have to pass an habitual residency test to receive anything.

As for the people at Calais; they are non EU national asylum seekers. If they were EU nationals they could easily enter the UK any time they wished; just as British citizens can easily enter another EU country anytime they wish.

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Your analysis is wrong on quite a few levels.

The 2.3 million UK citizens that are living in the other EU countries happen to be retirees living out their final days in the sun. They own their own properties in those coutries and have their own pensions to live on. The number working in those countries is a minute fraction of that number. If you were british, you would know this.

A lot of them have left as a direct result of seeing their country swallowed up and ruined by immigration and can no longer stand to be there. They are retired and no longer need to live there at all. It is one of the main reasons I live here in Thailand.

These retirees actually bring revenue to the countries they settle in, (mainly Spain, Portugal and France). They are not a burden on the welfare systems, education systems and they don't take away jobs and drive down salaries for the natural citizens. They will never have a problem staying where they are. They will be given retirement visas (probably 5 to 10 years at a time). Any Brit working abroad will simply go through that respective countries visa and WP system to continue to work there... They are unlikely to be sent packing.

Regarding the three month buffer on benefits,

1... It is not hard to wing it for 3 months staying with friends in their overcrowded rental accommodation before they can start claiming. 3 month food money is all they need.

2... They can take a very low paid part time job, they will pay no tax, they will get working tax credits, they will be able to claim partial housing benefit, they can go on the housing waiting list, they can claim child benefit, they can put their kids straight into our schools, they can use the NHS services.

3... Because the massive influx of cheap labour, it has driven down wages across the mainstream jobs spectrum. This means they are almost certainly under the £10,200 tax threshold. So the vast majority of these workers pay no tax whatsoever into the system. It also means a lot of Brits no longer pay tax, this is one of the reasons there are things like 30 Bn shortfalls in the NHS. Expenses are zooming up while revenue is dropping fast.

I have only scratched the surface on why mass immigration is bad for ANY country. Destruction of culture, race inequality, dangerous growth in nationalism, crime, racial hatred leading to violence....

Those are just some of the problems faced by the EU 'immigration' issue alone. There are many other reasons it is bad for the UK to be part of a political union where Britain has zero influence. It is no secret that Britain has no friends in Europe. So we will just leave them to their devices and we will take our chances.

With regards to 'asylum seekers'.... Britain has been the world's soft touch on that policy too. International 'asylum' rules state that a person MUST claim asylum in the first 'safe' country they arrive in....But they have been ushered through several countries by other governments all the way to the English Channel ports so they can claim it in Britain.

This will be stopped by UKIP, they will be sent straight back to the country they came from which will be France, Belgium and the Netherlands.

I am not saying that UKIP will win the next election.... far from it, they have at least a decade before they can aspire to that, but come next May 22nd, they could well finish third under a lab minority win which will put them in the position of being able to keep Millipede out and put the Cons back in with a coalition with UKIP. We all know what the demands will be, and this coalition will be very different to a Con/Lib partnership. Farage is not wussy Clegg.... he will kick Cameron's arse for 5 years.

We promise peace in the south within a year...... We will add 2,700 more guns to the situation.

Well done. You just produced 2,700 valid targets in the eyes of the insurgents.

This is beacuse Cameron is running scared of UKIP and his own back bench MP's, it's a combination of posturing and cynical political expediency. There is no way Cameron wants out of the EU or, given his past track record, managing a sucessful renegotiation of the UK's membership of the EU.He is held in thrall to the Euro Sceptics in his party to which he has to pander

He recently used language like 'applying the hand brake' with regards to immigration, despite the fact that levels of immigration from EU countries are the same as they were during Labour.

TBH, I am sick and tired of this old re-fried, re-hashed immigration red herring, It dominates every discussion about UK domestic politics. It's a disraction from the 'real issues' in the UK i.e. housing, 30 bn sterling shortfall in NHS funding, wealth inequality, the break up of the UK, jobs and salaries, etc..

All those 'issues' are a direct result of wholesale open door immigration.

Music to my ears.

You can thank Merkel for that, and here lies your German Empire.

Once Britain and possibly France leave the EU, all the migration will focus on Germany and they will be arriving in their millions and drive down your salaries and drive up your rents.

Good luck with your empire.

Mr Johnson

For some unfathonable reason, you are being touted as the next leader of the Con Party.

A tip for you.

If there is jobs available in the UK, then train all the workshy, lazy barstewards currently in the UK to do those jobs and get them off the welfare bill.

When those claiming jobseekers allowance has been reduced to almost zero, if there is still a need for people to fill jobs, then you can start with selected migration.

Sort out the basics and the rest will follow.

Actually, by removing a lot of the EU migrant labour, then unemployment will drop and wages will rise again making it a viable alternative to get a job, because at the moment, a large section of the public are actually better off financially being out of work, than being in work.

In the years since the floodgates opened, the average salary has dropped by 14% while big business has exploited this cheap labour from eastern Europe.

It's not a matter of lazy or workshy, it is being 'undercut' by cheap workers that is creating the problems. Couple that with vast rent increases in the private rental sector. Because of the migrant labour who will share a 3 bed house with 15 others.

People can't easily get a mortgage these days, making private rental their only other option. So if you had kids, no home of your own and limited skills, you would definitely be better off unemployed and you can't blame them for that, because the government were the ones who put them in that situation.

In the early to mid 80s when unemployment was at 3 million, then the UK started to prosper, the economy grew, we had a housing boom thanks to Thatcher. By the late 90s Britain was booming and unemployment dropped to 750,000 all by itself, because there were plenty of jobs and decent wages.

You know the rest.... Labour got into power, inherited the biggest war chest for 100 years and blew the lot, sold off half our gold reserves when gold was at a record low and sat back and let the banks set us up for a massive economic crash, while ignoring the FSA countless times. O top of which opening the flood gates and letting anyone and everyone into the country to take job off the UK citizens and driving down pay.

If I was back in the UK today, living with my ex-wife and three kids. I would be better off unemployed than employed, so where is the incentive?, and don't say 'pride'.

I don't blame the Brits, they have been lied to and let down by two successive crap governments to the point that they now find themselves having to work 40 hours a week for their poverty.

I am so glad to be reading this.... My coffee tastes that much better this morning.

So Misery Merkel is 'threatening' to stop supporting Britain's membership of the EU?..... Lol.... Farage must be thinking all his Christmases have come at once.

Cameron will have nothing to put on the table to get the people of the UK to vote 'in' ..... Something he was banking on. The bare minimum would have had to be more flexibility in the movement rules. That won't happen now and he is going to have to resort to pure scaremongering, and Clegg already tried that in a head to head debate with Farage back in March/April..... and failed miserably.

Way to go Merkel. Help us out of the EU by all means. Because the way things are looking, once the UK is out, France won't be too far behind because their people have also had enough and the right wingers are on the march there too. So it will be France probably next, and after that Germany will be left to shore up 25 under-performing economies.

You got to hand it to the Germans... They have managed to turn the once 'common market' into the 'German Empire' and all without firing a single shot. I wonder what Germany is going to look like in 10 years?....... Probably bankrupt.

"At this stage of our inquiries, we're keeping an open minded as to what motivated the offender to commit such an act.

The kid was wearing his TA uniform.

We all know who is targeting soldiers in the UK, and just happens to be 'asian or black'.

Well it doesn't take many braincells to work out that it was almost certainly a Muslim hate crime. The police will know this, but PC England will never allow them to say that.

I believe the old bill will track this idiot down because of the massive amount of CCTV, they can almost track you down to your house these days.

He'll probably get a 6 month suspended sentence and lauded as a hero by his community for nailing a 15 year old kid.

This campaign is part of TAT's "Fall in Love with Thailand" theme for 2015,

People used to be in love with Thailand many years ago, but that has changed.

It's like divorcing your wife and her parents coming to you 6 months later trying to promote her to you again.

No thanks.