richard_smith237

Reckon I could do it in 4 seconds 'cos I don't have the bond villain limp !!!... Seriously though - these are the kind of ridiculous comments and stray rabbit holes some fools try and take us down in these discussions.... did they ever consider how long it takes to 'take off the petrol filler cap' etc.... Its just so pathetic to even go down that road.... But - props to you @KhunLA for entertaining the stupidity of all this in an entertaining way...

Quicker than it took you to write that daft comment..... What next, how long does it take you step out of the car and close the door ???? Pathetic Yellowtail - stick with the sensible stuff.

Agreed.... thats one of the definiate facets often overlooked looked in the 'filling up debate... In a regular 'few months' (say 24) with an EV it costs me no extra time to plug in the car at home. In a regular 'few monhts' (say 24) with an ICE it costs me about 4 hours extra time (assuming 24 fill ups at approximately 10 minutes each)... That 4 hours is still not offet by the 20-30min top up on a road trip... on fact there wold ned to be approximately 8 x 20-30min top ups on a road trips over 8 months for that to compare. And I think theres the balance - from a timing / convenience perspective alone, for some it may be better for some its worse - it simply depends on usage.... .... and that... 'usage' is the primary and most common sense deciding factor from which to make a decision one all the noise, unhinged bias and bigotry, ego, misinformation and outright lies have been silenced by... real information.

One thing the surprised me.... I used to have some decent cars... sports cars, V8, high performance cars... etc... I was into them... Last 15 years I kind stopped caring... ... the one think about the EV's is the speed... Thats fun !!! no comparable ICE does the same thing. Thats a positive plus... and plenty of fun.

Thank-you - that was my request - I'd left my CAR ID and Name on the Screenshot of the Plugshare screen print... Here you go Laciest - that info again... (personal data redacted) Brown chargers - fast tupe CCS2 (20 mins should see you from 30-80kWh range) Green Chargers the slower Type 2 (much longer - better for over night stuff.

Brown are CCS2 - Fast chargers usually about 150kw - that will give you a slot boost in 20 mins... (i.e. us it gives about 30-80kWh in about 20 mins). Type 2 are slower chargers and wold take a few hours to charge - more like something you'll hook into when going to a restaurant or over knighting a hotel etc.

The same here - just just difficult to have a health coverstation without being accused of one thing or another... I've been accused of being an EV hater for presenting fair facts when being an EV owner !!! - which ticked me but highlight the strength of bias some carry.... I've been assused of being an EV fan boy because I like the convenience of home charging and never having to go to a petrol station.... Don't get me wrong - I drove a Ferrari last lear and probably consumed my monthly electricity bill in fuel !!!!... then I got in my EV and and it was nearly as fast... ( no where near really but surprised the shyte out of me). I drive our EV on sport mostly because I'm a d!ck and still like the acceleration... then my Wife tells me to grow up, and switch it back to Eco cos she wants a softer ride with more range.... I comply then realise I mis-read her intentions !!!).....

OK - the most environtmentally friendly car to get is a 20 year old ICE... From the day you pirates it YOUR Carbon footprint is lower than any other vehicle... because its starts from 'zero'... Other cars have a huge carbon footprint when starting from scratch zero miles. We already know hydrogen is better.... but is it economically viable... The EV push is not really an EV push, its an 'anti-oil push'... its politics and... and a lot deeper than we and can know - vote buying, while all the oil stuff goes on anyway because its impossible to live without out !!! (I know it a movie - but there plenty of facts out there - some adulterated, some more realistic a fair) 'convenient and persona' transportation is the key and also the problem... You mean like 'Grab Taxi' with EV's and drivers who will not rib you off... Yep, thats a future than can easily be seen... especially in conjested cities... The quite from the Mayor of Bogota Gustavo Petro — 'A developed country is not a place where the poor have cars. It's where the rich use public transportation.' Agreed with all on EV transport (taxis) - even autonomies - maybe in the near future... Until drunks try and steel them.... the human future still has to take into consideration the human nature and that involves considering the lowest common denominators.

Charge over night in your accommodation with a granny charger (which also comes with the car usually)... I'd use PlugShare and find an EV charger nearby... A quick look at PlugShare shows about 10 CCS2 chargers within 10kms.. (and plenty in Chiang Mai to stay topped up). I used the think the same whatifery... thats 'range anxiety' - I don't have it... It would be like going to a new area and qustioning if they have enough gas / petrol stations in the area... they all do now. BUT... all add a facet to the discussion, because there is a certain bias being hung on to... Do we worry about having a flat tyre when we go somewhere ??? (because my last series of cars have no spare - just a puncture kit - so back to this later)... Have you ever ran out of fuel ????... or did you 'solve that' through managing your 'range anxiety' and ensuring you had sufficient fuel.... Yep... IF it happens, the recovery to top up is much much simpler and a re-charge.... Or is it, can 'they' (someone whoever they are, tow a generator to recharge your car - I'm sure its been done !!! - perhaps part of the next gen recovery services ! where recovery vehicles carry 30kWh batteries to top up our cars)... all part of development. Gas guzzlers is also a loaded phrase and one used by the Pro-EV crowd to shine negative light on ICE's... The issue with these discussions is that the intelligent balance is often overshadowed by the bias and noise... so that the genuine and balanced first hand experiences are 'just somewhat boring' becasue they are 'normal' and that neither attracts the drama or the 'attention' that the extreme voices with the false and outrages claims attract... IMO (and this is just my own personal opinion) In reality - neither EV's or ICE's are far apart in what the the bring to our lives - the quliaty of live, added convenience or inconvenience has really not been noticed... we can dig down into a saving here, an inconvenience there, buts its negligible.... ..... they still ALL get you from A-B (ICE's are generally lot faster off the mark thats about it though)..... they can all easily be topped up with fuel wither electrical energy or gasoline... EV's have aspects that are more convenient, ICE's have other aspects that are more convenient - but in balance, both are as good as each other 'in my opinion'... I'd advice anyone to just get the car you like - don't worry if its an EV or an ICE - as the inpact on your live is extremely mininal... ... the Caveat to that is if you are driving more than 500kms on a daily basis and need to get 'toped up quickly before getting on the go again... but then the caveat to that is the 'saving' of cheaper electricity even at the public chargers to compare to fuel.... So... its still very much a personal choice and no one thing is really any better than the other IMO. ... And that, is truly the hones opinion of someone who's owned an EV for 4 months... IMO its better, but if I have a BMW M4, that would be better - so a lot of it is about the actual car too.

In the interest of honest a fair information - I'll answer you honestly without bias. At the same time I'll not your comment contained a heavy dose of negative bais implying you are looking for a negative rather than an honestly balanced response. Let me start with - I'm neither Pro nor anti EV... we bought our car because I liked the car, not because it was an EV.... BUT, now that we've had it a while, I prefer it to an an ICE - its just easier to use all round. So... to your question - honest answers remeber: Why did I top of the charge of the car - was it because of 'Range Anxiety' because I dont carry a can of electrons.... 100% correct.. it was range anxiety, we were getting low and I wanted to top up. When I had an ICE, why did I top up the car with fuel - was it because of 'Range Anxiety' because I dont carry a can of Petrol... 100% correct.. it was range anxiety, we were getting low and I wanted to top up. You see... Range Anxeity is a coined phrase but with ICE's we all have it too, we're just used to it... ... With an ICE we can top up in 10 minutes and give ourselves 500kms range again. ... With an EV we can top up in 15-20 minutes and give ourselves 400kms range again. (noting its slower to top up the last 20% from 80% to 100%). So... the times I used the 'public charger'... A couple for times on a road trip... Range Anxiety was the reason.... it was the very same range anxiety I get (or most normal folk would get when their fuel tank gets below 30%)... we start thinking about charging, pull into a station and 'charge the car'... (we can use an app every easily and find free charging points nearby, usually at petrol statins and what the rating of that point is). About a month ago in Bangkok we also dropped to about 25%... we had things to do in the evening after picking our son up from school... we had shopping to do and also wanted a bite to eat... So... we stopped off at the shopping mall, had a bite and charged the car up.... So... IF you want to call that 'Range Anxiety' for sure go ahead - but also not that very same reasons that exist to charge an ICE ??? So... call it range anxiety - I call it not wanting to be low on fuel (either petrol or battery) for me the psychology is the same for both - but I don't see range anxiety used for petrol cars as its been 'coined' as an anti-ev phrase.... ... Its definitely real, but hardly a concern.... ... Another sample... last night we got home after dinner.... I asked my Wife, how much battery have we got left.... 75%... no need to charge the car then. If we had an ICE I wouldn't have asked that, as we have petrol statins down the road... (which I might had we've never used since having the EV !!).

They will if they are 200-300 km away from home. How often are you in a car 200-300km away from home ? We used a public charger on a road trip, had a bite to eat while topping up (20 mins to top up from about 30% to 80% - back up to about 400km range and more than enough range to get back ( about 800 baht). On similar trips before we’ve done the same thing, but sat in the car while filling up with petrol, then gone to eat…. Which was 10 mins filling up…. Then going to eat for 20mins… again about 400km range… more than enough to get back…. (About 1600 baht). When combining a stop off with bite to each…. The EV was quicker and cheaper… though of course other scenarios can be less convenient.

You don’t understand the way way EV’s charge, Most EV drivers will never use a charging point other than the one they have at home. Very true…. In about 4 months ( not really sure ) of EV ownership we’ve only ‘charged’ ( quick top up ) outside of home 3 times…. Conversely, before that we’d fill up an ICE about 6x per month. That’s an approximate 8 to 1 ratio….

in an act of what you consider gallantry are you going to offer the op or I to ‘step outside’…. ….. I thought you’d tuned a pleasant corner after so pleasantly offering me a gorilla turd coffee in the other thread….

If your accident was due to braking, could it have been due to no ABS and grabbing too much brake ? Give serious thoughts to something like a Honda ADV 160 in KPG which will have better suspension and better split brakes with ABS which are much safer than foot controlled no ABS brakes. I’m not even sure the newer Honda clicks have foot controlled brakes. Someone local may have better info for you also try Facebook market place for rental shops…

Translated for you: “purleeessse help me……. can you try and start a fight with him [ me ] because he’s ignored my attempts to start a flight and has instead ridiculed my pathetic commentary…..” I already suggested get out of the school yard…. Now you’re asking for back up like a child… You were called out for your unfair ‘pile on’ and bullying of another poster and you lacked the intellectual and emotional tools to handle that….. it’s simple, just turn off the snowflake switch, man up and deal with it…. You were called out for your behaviour…. That’s all… you were probably having a bad morning with hot flushes or something…

You mean you want to rent a geared bike ? Just curious, why the objection to auto ?… bike like the hinds ADV are much better ( but, of course you may have specific reasons) When you write ‘there’ do you mean Thailand in general, or somewhere specific in Thailand ?

uh ohhhhh….. here we go again !!!! https://www.google.com/search?q=aseannow yellow book&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&sei=KFWfZ-L_B77gseMP0NykgQo

Fair enough, keep on accusing the op of being abusive & the Brit who threatened to fight him as being ‘gallant’….. hilarious c0ckwomblery 🍆

Damned perverted sex-pest I am.... chatting with the help, I must have ulterior motives !!!

Why do you 'expect'..... Do you know the Op, how how behaves normally ??? IF this was BobSmith or BarBoy there can be certain 'expectations'..... But it seems all you have done here is 'project' from your own imagination than simply accept the Op at his word. Now you are calling a guy who threaten the Op with physically aggression as being 'gallant'... and that the ops behavior was unacceptable.... you are really doubling down on this and its looking really very stupid... comically so... You should have left it at 'Ops tone may have appeared raised to the Brit' who still had no right to threaten aggression... thats the only 'normal response' I can see to such a comment.... You've doubled down with some funny stuff...

Is it going to be the last... or, has the 'forum pile on' accusing you of lying, telling an incomplete story, deserving it etc put you off from telling a simple harmless story in the pub forum again ? I was going to mention how I had a good chat with a taxi driver the other night - but thought against it as others would turn it into something negative, some how find a way of saying I underpaid, or was abusive, or any other amount of unhinged made up cr@p !!!...

You mean a "pitch inflection" or "partial octave shift.".... Perhaps a "semitone modulation" or "ascending pitch glide." Within the same octave... do you mean a 'A vocal glissando' or a 'A pitch bend' i.e. melodic leap within an octave (e.g. C to G), or A register lift (a perceptible rise in vocal tone without reaching the next octave ??? Or are you asking if he 'Shouted' at the Pharmacist ??? I notice you haven't asked the Op if he said please or thank-you, refered to her as Khun ? or Phi or Nong Khap ???.... showing good manners...... .... Is that because you are only trying to dig out the negative possibilities due to your already pre-loaded negative bias having doubled down on your 'story' that the Op deserved the thread from the agressive-Brit ?????

I think he's just doubled down on his assumption that something more than you are telling had happened... and is now neck-deep into his story that he can't step back from his 'imagined series of events' without losing face... ... Its all a bit strange... amusing... and somewhat entertaining... a definite pub discussion, so long as as we don't swap out any bad words for symbols...

These rabbit holes are breeding like 'Nick Carters' exaggerated assumptions....

The one you are desperately trying to climb back out of because you realise you've lost yourself in harmless thread.... relax...