richard_smith237

Isn't everybody "supposed" to carry them? Debate done to death... No!

To deliberately trigger and provoke...

Cyclists need to carry their passport ?

Sure... ok.. Go ahead and present that post - screen print and backup your claim... no one else can find that information.

Facts ??? really Malcy ?? - the postings from a random nobody on a facebook thread is now a fact ??? You can't even prove that such a comment exists - prove me wrong with a screen print.

The point has been spelled out to you a few times... Translate the post to English so you can stay within the rules to so fondly cherish (or hide behind), take screen print and post the image of 'information' you are claiming...

Where do you think the OP came from? try and keep up. So you are suggesting a comment from a random nobody that no one else has seen, amongst 225 comments on a facebook thread is a valid source of information ???... hmmm......

You've already posted in Thai with the translation of israeli... so clearly that doesn't bother you. Its also extremely simple to 'translate the Facebook comment into English' and screenshot and post that... So... you are claiming 'some random person' amongst 225 (as of now) comments - mentioned that the men could be Israeli... and you think that has some relevance..... your trolling is transparent.

... your usual nonsense: just translate the comment to English and post the screenshot. Simple, really - unless, of course, accuracy gets in the way of your little narrative. Still, even if such a comment exists buried among the noise of Facebook - it’s just that: a throwaway remark from a nobody. Hardly a credible basis for asserting someone's nationality, unless desperation now qualifies as evidence.

It’s the same tired, transparent trolling from this usual suspect - not here to discuss, just desperate to provoke. Predictably, he’ll wrap it all up in some sanctimonious nonsense about "bringing information".... If that were even remotely true, he could easily dig up the comment and post a screenshot. But of course, he won’t - because the randomness of one facebook comment won't fuel the little fire he’s so desperate to stoke. And even if some random Facebook nobody out of 223 comments said it, so what? It's still baseless drivel, grasped at by someone clinging to speculation...

Better still, live in a gated community and never go out. I think as another poster highlighted - the lack of 'first hand reports' of getting into this sort of trouble indicates that for those who don't get wasted, shoot off their mouth and act like total twits its pretty difficult to find trouble. That said: I have heard of first hand incidents where 'groups of win riders' have verbally harassed passers by and when the westerner reactive verbally, they received a kicking... (both incidents in Pattaya) - I think both incidents involved the foreigner respond with f$%k-off !!... just the trigger point the group of thugs were after. I've walked past such groups and the only thing to do is not show any emotion or reaction whatsoever and just continue walking by.

Very true... In Thailand, its easy to avoid trouble by not getting wasted and acting out...

Well said: 100% agree... I also agree that there are some particularly nasty characters on here to take great pleasure in seeing another foreigner get beaten to within an inch of his life, yet are such snowflakes and cry foul and upset so easily when their stupidity is called out forum... They are, without exaggeration, the textbook definition of mentally unhinged

I was stopped at a check-point in Bangkok a while back... New Bike, no plates (thus no tax), out of date licence (which I didn't know about at the time).... as the policeman stepped out stopped me, I flipped up my lid (modular helmet) he saw that I was a foreigner and just waved me on... they weren't interested. Meanwhile about 5 Burmese looking lads on motorcycles were stopped with Police checking their bikes, under their saddles etc... The BiB just weren't interested in a foreigner that day - I'm guessing their instructions were to try and catch motorcyclists for drugs or something similar and a foreigner didn't fit their profile.

... in areas such as this... I'd agree... elsewhere, Bangkok for example and other cities and area's foreigners are treated and thought of with a similar indifference with which Thai's will treat each other... and interacted with based on merit rather than anything else... ... This is actually what I like about Thailand (outside of such areas)...

I’m in full agreement - though I do find myself questioning the absence of any backstory that might explain such a reaction. In the context of this incident, we’re shown a video of a foreigner being brutally assaulted, with the only justification offered being that he 'slapped a woman in a bar'. But is that even true? - can we take the initial social media post that led to this story as being factually correct when we are already aware there is so much false information out there?. I also agree - no one wants a flight.... but it does seem that 'given half a chance' there's a certain demographic of Thai's who work in such areas who are extremely quick to respond and go from zero to a degree of extreme and brutal physicality that could easily lead to a death (and has done on numerous occasions) in seconds, almost as if they are 'just waiting for the excuse'....

There is no excuse for this behavior whatsoever... I am with those who would suggest, track down, fine and deport this imbecile. That said.. the "Tarnishing the reputation of Thailand" angle is a bit rich - Thailand has a very specific reputation which actively attracts such tourists and that reputation is Thailands 'money maker'...

I agree.... it seems like that at any check-point nationwide. There will be a check-point for DUI, so don't they bother checking for licenses and ignore helmetless riders etc Then on a different day there will be a check-point to stop helmetless riders, but ignore the drunks and the bikes and cars burning through a nearby pedestrian crossing or a red light without stopping. It seems everything revolves around 'check-points' and the Police don't actually rely on patrolling and discretion... there can be 20 helmetless riders in front of manned police box and the police will just ignore them. The BiB won't 'patrol' and pull over and deal with dangerous drivers - but they'll track down someone (foreigner) who posted a video on TikTok of themselves pulling a wheelie....

Yes there are stats - it's just as a thought, as ever you don't understand how to use them. Crash helmets have been shown to reduce deaths by around 40% In your haste to argue, you overlook the core of this discussion. Instead of addressing the real complexities, you default to shoe-horning in your assumption that only your view on road safety holds any water. Motorcycle use in Thailand is fundamentally different from that in the UK, Europe, the USA, or Australia - and this directly affects the fatality reduction statistics we can expect from helmet use. While Western studies often show that helmets reduce the risk of death by 37–42%, these figures come from very different contexts. Here’s why the fatality impact of helmets in Thailand may be markedly different: Helmet Quality and Certification: In Western countries, helmets are generally certified to strict safety standards (such as ECE or DOT), ensuring effective protection. In Thailand, many helmets are non-certified, cheaply made, or poorly maintained. Such helmets provide significantly less protection, reducing their ability to lower fatality rates which may impact the stats compared to Western nations. Proper Usage: Correct fitting and fastening are crucial to helmet effectiveness. In Thailand, helmets are frequently worn improperly or loosely, which diminishes their protective benefit and thus reduces the fatality reduction seen in Western data. Traffic Environment: Thailand’s traffic is far denser with motorcycles, and road conditions are often poorer and less regulated. This chaotic mix changes crash severity and types of collisions (e.g., multi-vehicle pileups, side impacts) that helmets alone may not fully mitigate, thereby altering fatality outcomes, or perhaps the city traffic is simply slower, and this dynamic alters fatality outcomes with helmet usage. Rider Training and Behaviour: Many riders in Thailand lack formal training and licensing, increasing the risk of higher-impact crashes or dangerous riding behaviours. Such factors can overwhelm the protective effects of helmets, thus the 'riding culture' in Thailand itself may alter fatality outcomes with helmet wear. Emergency Medical Response: Rapid and high-quality emergency care saves lives after crashes. Thailand’s emergency response infrastructure is less developed than in Western countries, which can increase fatalities even among helmeted riders. Passenger Helmet Use: Helmet use among passengers in Thailand is often lower, and passengers typically suffer a higher fatality rate in crashes, skewing overall statistics particularly as a passenger helmet is less likely to be of 'quality' than the riders helmet in Thailand. Of course, it’s undeniable that helmets save lives — but by how much? Are we looking at a modest 25%, or a substantial 60%? Does merely tossing on a cheap plastic shell actually shift the statistics in any meaningful way? Or would the numbers only approach those seen in Western countries if riders wore properly certified helmets - the kind that actually offer real protection? This is exactly why I pointed out 'there are no reliable stats' for Thailand. Blindly applying figures from other countries, without accounting for local realities may not present a reliable set of information. Yet you’ve chosen to ignore this nuance, either out of wilful blindness or sheer arrogance, preferring to peacock.

these women are cash cows for the tourism industry. that's one reason they may react so strongly. just a hunch. I think thats overthinking the 'intelligence' of those dishing out the beating... Evenkeel is right, these guys don't care at all about the woman in question... They are 'trigger-finger-locals' looking for an excuse... What we are seeing the tail end snippet of an 'incident' from a social media post and 'told' what happened by the original social media poster. One of the major issues Social Media Posts (original source not the AN report) is the influence of sensationalism. Opinions are drawn from short, highly selective or incomplete video snippets posted on social media – such clips designed to provoke, outrage, or mislead. They typically present the worst angle of an event, often from an extremely biased perspective, and rarely provide the full context. So - what was the full context ??? I'm not condoning the men hitting a woman (any woman), but, why is there never any 'lead up' in these social media stories to give us context... i.e did the woman slap the men a few times until they had enough and slapped her back etc ? - (I'm not suggesting this is what happened - just that there is more to the story that could offer an explanation as to how and why things escalated)... Or, did the woman simply say something the men took offence to so the 'animals' slapped her for hardly any reason at all ?? Was there a padded or contested bill and the woman become argumentative and physical ? I've seen guys in similar situations - one guy paid up and left a bar - the other guy was handed the bill for both of them - he contested the bill and things got heated, girls shrieking and arguing with him, pushing him, while he remained calm - he took out his phone and showed the QR payment receipt of the of the other guy - the cashier accepted this 'accidental' double charge - but a few of the girls were already angry by that stage and looking for a problem with the guy !!... the guy did well to completely decompress a situation and stay chilled - others would have become a social media story...

You can do all that already... iPhone - Airplay or HDMI adapter to a screen - Bluetooth connect a keyboard and Mouse. The same works for Android also works, higher end phones.

Oh dear. The usual boring and predictable hatespew triggered instead of an answer to a simple question. The answer by the way was 'nothing'. It was totally irrelevant to the actual topic. All desperately (and ineffectively) trying to hide behind a pathetic attempt to sound authoritative. I don't even feel offended it's so ridiculous. But also par for the course on AN nowadays. Go ahead and shoehorn your faux outrage and imaginary racism into the thread if you must - all you're really doing is advertising your inability to grasp basic nuance... There was nothing remotely racist in the OP's comments - he was simply setting the scene. If he hadn’t, people would’ve asked where he was flying, if it was a woman, what the other man was wearing, etc - all relevant context, especially if cultural dress enters the conversation. Instead of appreciating that clarity, the usual wokerati pile in with their tired, pathetic virtue-signalling cries of racism. Predictable & Boring. .

Yes there are - depending on what you mean. Te numbers of deaths reduced by helmet wearing have been well demonstrated. Depending on what I mean ? - so you are not sure what I mean but still argue !!! outstanding stuff !!!! There are no stats for that - in Thailand... project from other countries, but you yourself mention how the roads are differently engineered etc and then there are far more motorcycles here than those countries where stats are collected, thus the results would be distorted as many accidents would 'occur in a different manner at different speeds etc'... As mentioned - there are no stats for that... (here - we are discussing Thailand).

The one you are showing the immigration officer, which, I guess, will be the old one with the reentry permit. Then he might only get an 8 month permission of stay based on his passport validity - thus.... I don't think there is any harm in using the 'new passport number' - but handing over Both passports to the Immigration officer - I'm guessing they can make any corrections if necessary....

It might vary around the nation - but in BKK... I think 'most' is a fair claim... Certainly in Bangkok I'm 99% cashless... I can't think of a place in BKK that doesn't accept QR payment as the norm... though I'm sure there are some... but I see QR signs in wetmarkets etc.. so its common enough for there. ... The only time I do use cash is for a flagfall taxi... I agree with you and anyone else who states cash should remain an option - it always should be an option. I've been critical of businesses which have gone 'Digital Payment Only' as they should as many payment options as possible. I'm all for versatility and convenience - people should be 100% free to chose whatever payment option they prefer. And thats what a lot of these debates come down to... a simple preference, but I do see some silly justifications and arguments against cashless that can readily be countered with a simple basic common sense reply... Still, its everyones right to just 'prefer something'...