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I'm stunned... or is it shocked... both perhaps.... I'm also disappointed at the absense of netizen outrage.... ... But what really shocks me... this is a Thai.... I thought only foreigners doing dumb-shyat on their motorcycles was allowed to 'go viral'.... or... perhaps this hasn't gone viral, hence the absense of netizen outrage !!!! Eiher way... someone has to be exceptionally dumb to ride like this... but we see similar stuff daily !

This letter, it was just basically a word document that you filled out and you both simply signed and dated? I guess what Im asking is if there was any third party involvement in it at all, or if it was something the both of you created and signed and thats it. Attached is a format of the letter.... Its just something I made up - but covers they key information needed. Theoretically it would need to be 'stamped / signed / notarised' by your local Amphur office but we never went as far as going that far. We also travel with Digital copies of all documentation. Note: Our Son was 3 years old and 4 when I took him out of the country on or own. He was about 6 and 8 on the times the Wife has taken him out alone. Neither of us have ever been asked for any documentation - but we have friends who have been stopped and asked with travelling as a lone parent with a child. Also note: Our surnames are all the same. Another point: IF taking a child out of the country, always show 'intent to return' as removing a child from the country with clear intent not to return 'could' be viewed upon unfavourably by Thai courts if any contest comes to that. Best option remains: Get an uncontested divorce and sole custody from the mother.

Easy to say with 20/20 hindsight... Walking past a pool at a resort a few years back.... at night, coming back from dinner, my son and his mate were next to the pool - they earned a helping hand and ended up in the water !!!... We all ended up in the water full dressed !!!... quite a laugh. BUT - throwing a lad overboard from a fast moving speed boat is a very different action, especially if carried out aggressively. We do not know if this action was: a) while the boat was moving at speed b) while the the boat was stationary c) carried out in anger d) Just messing around e) carried out with evil intentions

There are other facets to this discussion worth considering... 'Antigenic drift' i.e. After 2-3 years of isolating I had greater concern for the impact on an Influenza virus than I did SARS-Cov2 virus or any of its existing iterations.... Not specifically for the severity of a potential flu illness, but for the potential for it to 'knock us out' and ruin a holiday... ... i.e. We'd isolated for long enough that the antigenic drift of the influenza virus could have taken a divergent path from that which we had pre-existing tolerance or immunity. Thus..... come flu-season, I didn't want our Christmas and ski holiday ruined by any of us falling ill and being stuck indoors nursing a horrible flu - IMO it was worth taking the influenza vaccine to counter act that risk. IMO - the same can be said for the SARS-Cov2 Vaccines - as the virus evolves around the world there is a risk that it 'can' take on a guise more severe than the current 'snivels' which I'm not worried about.... Should genuine news surface that the virus has taken on a more serious turn, then I'd give serious thought to getting 'revaccinated' IF those vaccinations available at the time are designed to 'lessen the impact' of the symptoms of such that variant. This is how we've behaved with Influenza, I think it makes sense to take the same precautions with SARS-Cov2 - evolve with it, and if we need further 'vaccine assistance' to counter a more severe variant - then take it if its available. As far as the as the other paranoia is concerned - I don't by into any of it, at all.

This is a perfect example of 'Bullsh!t in = bullsh!t out"... .... if you can't ask an intelligent question, don't expect an intelligent answer... .. and certainly don't be stupid enough to believe the rubbish something such as chatGPT spouts out after its searched the net for suitably fitting information to the loaded questions asked of it....

Have you never thrown your kid in a Swimming pool ???... In the water off the side of a boat ? - that in itself is not an indication of anything nasty... it could just be a father messing around with his sone... I've done simimilar with my nephews, son, sons friends etc... but not while the boat was moving. The difference here was that the boat was moving - its not clear how fast it was moving.... Were there nasty, nefarious intentions ?? As jing pointed out, it was a reported that there was an argument.... BUT... does throwing someone out of a boat imply mudurous intentions ? Did he (the father) throw the son out of the boat in anger ?... or were they just messing around ? Did the father 'know' the son would get caught in the prop and it was planned murder ?? - I dont think so.... At the worst, this could be an argument and he 'bins the cheeky son overboard' with tragic consequnces... I can't see how the father could have planned or predicted that the props would 'chop him up' as some seem to be suggesting. But, if the boat was moving at speed, this does imply a very harsh act and one which lead directly to the sons death.

You see Malcy.... IF someone doesn't view the actions of a non-Thai with 100% condensation you accuse them of siding with the non-Thai - which of course is stupid (no surprise there from you). Such is your bias you are simply lack any intelligent ability to see things any differently... Your bigoted bias against foreigners here blinds you to any thought that does not condemn all foreigners and side 100% with Thai's - your binary thought process is a clear indication of a fundamentally broken intellect. ... now.. In the very comment above your post, you'll read a balanced thought that opens up to the potential of other possibilities... You see Malcy... you're incapable of open minded discussion because you are so locked into your 'farangs are all bad' agenda... its one of the least intelligent outlooks I repeatedly read on this forum. And here it is for you Malcy (below) - the discussion that there 'could' be nefarious circumstances at play - while this could have been a father and son messing around, there is also new information which suggests and argument and that opens up other more horrific possibilities which need to be investigated.... Agreed…. This does tend to open up the void of speculation somewhat towards more nefarious intentions…

Frederick S. Perls; Out the Garbage Pail - 1969 - "Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the universe” If ever there were a thread showcasing this this quote - this is it..... Idiots abound, and and while I'd prefer not to drag as discussion down to personal ridicule, sometimes the idiocy is so overwhelming the comments made by some are simply not deserving of any intelligent response for they draw on flawed and distorted conclusions, rely on false information, attempt to weaken facts through compartmentalisation and segregation.... .... In short... the only viable response to to the anti-moon-landers is the same as that to flat earth's... "pish off you dumb pest".... its the only response they deserve, yet someone how we get dragged into the debate with these cerebrally illiterate fools because we attempt to maintain the methodology of the scientific debate "postulate, question, prove"... ... the simple reality is that some people are simply not deserving of this level of response and this is how we get dragged down into the moronic, the idiotic, the time-wasting association with those whom I can only term 'idiotic morons'...

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Agreed…. This does tend to open up the void of speculation somewhat towards more nefarious intentions…

My wife had already asked her not to interrupt…. By that stage I’d had enough… Correct - I mixed it up, it was an Everest. Me too…. I just can’t be bothered with that stuff once a line has been crossed…. I’ll just walk away…. ….sat in the Raptor with my son & played with the toys ! Wife dealt with the rest which was more polite than I would have been.

First seek the ability to view issues without an unhinged hyperbolic bias….. …. just like most normal people do instead of being an uptight miserable overreactive boomer….

'Curtain twitcher'.... like the sort of person who calls the police when someone waters their plants during a hosepipe ban.

Renting for a weekend is a good idea..... but again, I'm not really that bothered - its just a car. But, I like something that I can fit into, that has sensible storage space. A reliable (honest) dealership if (when) something goes wrong etc... I had a CRV a while ago... A car hit the door and damaged the electric window motor... It took longer than a month for something so simple to be fixed and I was shunted around from Garage to Garage and in doing so wasted a lot of time. Also when looking at a new Honda I wanted to 'sit in the car' (accord) just to see if I 'fit' - the sales people couldn't be bothered and wouldn't get the keys so I could turn on the ignition and move the electric seats. I tried the same with a CRV, the same thing, I was unable to adjust the seats so I coudn't even get in (after a tiny Thai had been in before hand) I just walked out.... sales completely disinterested. Walked into Ford - knowing their service history was poor (But Wife knows someone high up there), took a test drive, liked the car even though it felt a bit like a 'barge' (Fortuna).. started negotiating on model, extras etc etc the sales guy was very good and answered all my technical questions... ... then another sales lady (more senior took over), she couldn't answer my questions, tried to sidestep them and distract from the questions I had, she then started talking only to my Wife and then also interrupting every discussion my Wife and I were having.... after 3 times of being rudely interrupted, I pointed this out, and told her quite firmly... "do not interrupt me again while I'm talking with my Wife".... the Sales lady seemed so 'excited to push the sale' she had no self control and interrupted us yet again... there was nothing for me to do.... I just got up and walked off and went and sat in a Raptor with my Son while my wife explained - that the 'guy had the sale and she sabotaged it'.... We did buy a car that day from Mazda - excellent sales, excellent service - We've since sold it, but Mazda were on my list of 'new cars' to get recently - but they just didn't have a model that I wanted.

The question mark means I was asking YOU the question ? You claimed I paid sticker price for the car.... So I was asking YOU, what price I paid for the car as it seems you think you know everything..... You see... if you are going to start criticising the comments people have made, its best not to do so from the starting point of complete ignorance. So... I'll ask you again, just to see if you comprehend the point this time. Did I ??? [pay full sticker price for the car].... OK then, how much did I pay ???? you seem to know everything. --------- You see... You've wanted to levy some sort of accusation that I've been gullible and ripped off and I'm a 'salesmans wet dream'... but don't know what car I purchased, you don't know how much I paid - You don't know anything, which is why your accusation is 'stupid'..... Now, if you still struggle to grasp that simple concept It can't be understand for you.

First things first. You need an uncontested divorce - this should be a simple as both the mother and yourself going to the Amphur office and obtaining this and your mother signing over sole parental rights to yourself (also assuming you were married at the time of the Birth and your name is listed on the Childs birth certificate). Once you are divorced and have sole parental rights, you are free to travel where you like. The alternative: - Obtain a letter of 'Parental Consent' signed by the mother for you to travel with your daughter, however this is not permission to 'move overseas' and is only permission to travel showing clear intent to return to thailand. - Theoretically this letter needs to be notarised at the local Amphur office (although travelling with my Son - I've never been asked for this letter, so its a bit hit and miss). IMO - to protect yourself from any future issues, I think the best option is to secure a non-contested divorce and claim sole parental rights - clearly you need the compliance of the mother to do this. ------------ Your Child (Thai) will need to leave on her Thai Passport - you need to get hold of that from the mother. Your child 'stamps out' on her Thai Passport. -------- As far as travelling without the 'other parent'.. Both my Wife and I have done this twice - each time we prepared a letter or parental consent, just incase we were asked at immigration. We were not asked. However, I know friends who have been, so its best to have your ducks in a row.

It already exists.... Its called logging in as MalcomB, Gottfrid, bokningar, BobSmith (barboy) etc etc... its enough to now something daft an irrational is about to follow... Just like a drunk driver swerving around causing wrecks...

Good info - how old are there 'assured' stock ???... do they come with warranty and priced in the 350k baht region ?

So you would threw you son of a boat running? It has to be a deliberate attempt to kill him to be a sick action? Glad I'm not your kid. I'm not sure if its language or your misinterpretation, but you've misquoted me, seemingly in an attempt to point score - not a particularly intelligent tactic...

So you would threw you son of a boat running? It has to be a deliberate attempt to kill him to be a sick action? Glad I'm not your kid. I've thrown my Son into water numerous times... too many to remember... I've thrown him down the side of a snowy mountain at a ski resort, we've hit 80kmh on a black double diamond.... I've kicked him out of kayaks in rapids and he's done the same to me... I've encouraged him to go over way bigger jumps than he was confident to go over on his bike... I've tricked him into eating lemons and spicy food.... I've allowed him to 'let his alarm go off and get ready for school' only then to remind him that its a Saturday.... I've encouraged him into 'deep surf' when we were trying to surf together... We've been tied to a rock face together with a long fall below us... climbing then abseiling... I've done loads of stuff that that a sanctimonious bumclencher such as yourself may find terrible parenting... Though, I'm sure it will disappoint you to know that I've not thrown him of a moving speedboat.... though he's been thrown out of numerous stationary boats !!! "Glad you are not my kid ???".... believe me, if you were ever interesting enough to meet someone who'd want to have kids with you... Your kids would want to be mine !!!! So many of you are trying to turn this into something it is not - its a tragic tale of a father making a horrific error in judgment when messing about with his son... A number of years ago we had family visiting - we'd all hired a speed boat (off Koh Chang) and went snorkelling... The boat pilot wanted to leave the engine running and said the prop was not moving - I didn't care, I wanted the engine killed, then I had 100% assurance that there was no prop movement.... No biggie, but I understand some / many simply don't think about this stuff.... not everything thinks of all risks and eventualities.... but some are so scared of their own shadow their kids would grow up in a void of boredom.

I've never tried Cocaine either... But I also don't feel the need to pass uneducated sanctimonious judgement against others who have.... I have something to say about the 'sanctimonious curtain twitchers'..... you know you are one of them...

Oh dear..... you think the father deliberately threw his son under the props of the boat to murder him... and you think this because you believe 'Russia to be a sick society' and sick societies 'create' sick people..... hmmm... ... no bigotry, bias, produced, or out right idiocy in your your implication there, none whatsoever, right ????

There are too many variables..... and you can't account or protect yourself from them all... so you just have to trust your instincts... i.e. 1) A Thai mechanic who you think is on your side may actually strike up an agrement with the seller to say everything is fine... and then you find out later its not - Don't trust anyone new to you. 2) One2Car is a good starting point for pricing etc... 3) the idea of doing this remotely is foolish - why the rush ? 4) Its doesn't matter if you are a foreigner or not - this is buisness, they'll take the shirt of your back if you are foreign or Thai. 5) Certified used car programs are good - but at your price range, it will be difficult to find any 'dealership certified' program as the cars will be too old. Get out there, have a look around, narrow down your options to the car you want. look at more of them, test drive, get a feel for the seller... If its a 'tent' (second hand forecourt) they are lying to to you... If its a direct seller (i.e. a family) they are more likely to be selling the 'regular car' and moving on to a newer car - there is less likely to be an issue with it - look for full service history from a main dealer.

It seems unlikely that the father would have known that the child would go under the boat and be injured by the propeller. You would have to have advance boating knowledge to know that and to deliberately throw the boy in a way that would likely cause his death. It's not unreasonable to suspect that he viewed throwing the boy off the boat as something rather harmless (whether for fun or to punish him), not dissimilar to throwing him into a pool, and intended to save him when he jumped in. 100%.... Those stating otherwise have some unhinged, distorted wholly foocked up mentalty that perhaps alludes more to their own very unhealthy upbringing than anything else.... and beyond that... just a very very strange outlook at the world around them.....