richard_smith237

So its ok to throw stones at normal cars, but not ambulances ???? [thats ones for Gottfrid to help him understand the kind of flawed conclusions that can be jumped to when exaggerating a comment out of context] The fact that these idiots threw stones at any moving vehicle is wrong... I hope they are caught and charged adequately, and also pay for any damages + compensation.

I just ignore the people I want to ignore.... they don’t need to go on an ignore list or anything... If I don’t want to get ‘trigged by someones post’ I can just ignore it. It may say something for my maturity levels but I find it quite amusing to verbally spar with people I disagree with... Mods don’t like it sometimes though. I also find it highly amusing when some guys state... ‘Right thats it, you are on my ignore list’... as if thats some how a ‘win’ and they’ve snuck in the last word in etc..... I never understood that response. If someone wants to ignore another person, just do that... why even bother telling them about it ?

Indeed.... Thai Police Man: Your Visa (stamp) is illegal.... you pay fine. Taiwanese actress: No its not... I’m not paying a fine. Thai Police... >>> She was uncooperative.... Of course she was, who wouldn't be uncooperative when being extorted !!!

Yes... ALL of that, IF you believe the Police reports and believe the Police have not lied. IF you are saying the CCTV was 47 minutes... the GrabDrive has already stated he was there for an hour before he left.... It would seem they have not looked at the full CCTV then !!! When I’m in a taxi with friends and we’ve had a few, sometimes we are joking, laughing... it can get loud. I’m not sure how that is possibly an indication that this girl was not extorted for 27,000 baht. Quite the opposite in fact, being under the influence may have made her an easier mark in the eyes of the police officers at the check-point. Some of the logic behind the obfuscation is remarkably questionable, utterly desperate in fact.

Agreed.... Nothing has been found true or false at the moment, but the legitimacy of the public claims made by the Taiwanese lady matter little in a Thai Defamation case, IF one were to be filed. The obvious reason for filing such a case is not to win it, but for the publicity - I don’t put the RTP beyond acting with such hubris with the belief that this may sway the optics.

I posted on another thread... IF motorcyclists are removed from the equation the death rate per 100,000 of population is higher in the USA than it is in Thailand. Trained monkeys you say ?

OK.. So what are the figures ? (total road deaths per year) Deaths reported at the Scene ? (Thai figures?) Estimates made by international organisations: WHO ? Answers: WHO quote: 25,000 road deaths per year on Thailands roads. 76% are motorcyclists. Thus: 6000 motorists (4 wheels or more) die each year on Thailands roads. Thailand’s population: 71.6 million Thus: = 8.37 deaths per 100,000 of population per year are those in cars, lorries, vans, busses etc. That is less than the USA for 4 wheeled vehicles and larger. There would need to be a total of 33,000 total road deaths per year for the 4 wheeled vehicles+ tally to match that of the USA. The stats clearly show the USA is a more dangerous place to drive a car, regardless of how illogical this seems.

No... its just the English Language. Bizarrely, you chose to imagine ‘add-ons’ to what someone wrote and then take offence at your imagined interpretation and posted your objection. What you have done is called ‘Gaslighting’ and also ‘Virtue signalling’...

Thought you know that we are many different nationalities on this forum, and that they have specifically informed, numerous times, that we should not call out each other regarding the level of English that is used in this forum. However, it seems like Brits can´t understand there are more languages in the world. I agree.... I respect those who speak English as a second language, particularly those who speak and write English as a second language as well as you. However, when its highlighted that you have misunderstood or imagined some meaning in a comment and you refuse to accept that, then its natural that your comprehension is brought into question... ... You still seem to not understand that no one has said its ok to throw stones at an ambulance. Or, perhaps you do but your ‘face saving ego’ has surfaced and you lack the capacity to simply admit a mistake.

OK.. So what are the figures ? (total road deaths per year) Deaths reported at the Scene ? (Thai figures?) Estimates made by international organisations: WHO ?

Have you tried the P̣hrryā-Mop ????..... was good for a while before it stopped functioning and I had to switch over to the Mæ̀ban-Mop !!!

Where did the lady state that the Police put a vape in her hands ? The article states they she has claimed this ?... where did they source that info if no other social or news outlet has this information?.... is it made up? ... link to the the girl making their statement on her own social media page or wherever she made it ? Seems very dodgy as if the Nation have been executing a smear campaign.....

Thats exactly what it seems like to me too... That said: Why is there no clear direct statement from this lady?.... I’m wondering when the police to obfuscate some more and file defamation charges against the actress.

Quote from the article: [The actress told Taiwanese media that Thai police put a vaping device into her hand and that she did not know what it was.] This is the first time this has been reported... nowhere else has it been reported that she claimed a vape device was ‘put into her hand’.... ...It seems this story is growing arms and legs. Here we have a Thai Interpretation of the Taiwanese medias impression of what happened - the waters are getting very muddied - deliberately so ? It would be good just to read a statement of fact from the lady in question... One statement of what she says happened from start to finish, with a time line.

Are you also devastated and beside yourself with grief ???

How long have you lived here and is your dad a black-belt in karate and can ‘ave the dads of every other kid in the playground’ ?

I suspect cuckoo land is the place our resident ‘expert' calls home after scrambling the grey matter with such substances...

I agree with you 100%.... Now... was this an occurrence whereby the guy drove his ambulance home with lights and sirens on every night and a couple of locals just had enough ???? I’ve no idea of course, but when trying to work out what would trigger a couple of guys to throw stones at the ambulance that is one of a number of possible reasons.

You were there? Were you ?? did the ambulance driver have the lights and siren on ??? As wrong as it is, could that have been the trigger for the motorcyclists to act in the way they did ? Or... other possible reasons (as posted higher up).

Not all all... I just call out unfounded silly comments... especially when that person gaslights in the most ridiculous manner in an attempt to virtue signal their faux outrage.... You were called out on your silly response by both LL and I, you are now comically ‘doubling down’.... Everyone agrees its wrong to throw rocks at an ambulance, no one has stated otherwise regardless of how your questionable English standards may have misinterpreted someone else’s comments.

You claimed that he [vocalneal] thinks or claims its ok in his world to throw stones at ambulances... That is not what he wrote - You were wrong. You don’t know you were wrong. You are refusing to accept you were mistaken / wrong. Ergo... Your English is either far worse than it initially appears, or, you are refusing to accept error with the comical attempt to safe face and instead landing flat on it !!! No one has claimed it is Ok to throw rocks at an ambulance !!!.... its really very simple !

It will be very interesting to see what the story is (or google translation of the story)... Waiting...

Nope.. Only a tool would suggest something such an exaggerated strawman fallacy to point score.... we’ve already established you are not... haven't we ? Were we reading HER social media posts (i.e. copied and pasted into an article), or someones translation / interpretation / elaboration of HER social media posts ??? - it seems this is where there may be some evolution of the story and some distortion of her claims. Did SHE change her story? or has other peoples interpretation of what she wrote altered (I’m not sure). I totally agree... I’m not impartial here... Having lived here for 25 years, when someone publicly claims they were extorted by the Thai police to the tune of 27,000 baht, I’m inclined to believe them. I accept that this bias is clouding my judgment.

I'm pretty sure you’d blame the victims !!! It seems you are already blaming every foreign who gets stopped by the Police for drawing the attention upon themselves. I’m obviously bias against the Police in situations like this, I’m happy to admit that, my history here and the influence of reading many such reports has created this bias. I am aware of my bias but an prepared to be shown otherwise. However, thus far there is nothing that suggest the Taiwanese actress has lied, but there is a lot of misinformation.... - The police have not denied there was a stop, so that part we know is true. - The stop was for over 1 hour ?... what happened in that 1 hour ? - There are murky details, some initial misinformation (about being at the police station with a group of Koreans - was this misreporting / poor translation ?... was she in the car with some koreans ?) - There was reports that the Police had claimed her visa was false. - It was also reported that she was not carrying her passport. - It was reported that she was searched and they found a Vape device. - It was reported that she was openly smoking vape in front of the police.

I kind of figured I was playing Watson to your Sherlock... You seem to have more up to date info than I and have corrected me a couple of times.... ... there’s a fair bit of info passing the ‘sniff test’... but quite a bit which is also stinks of back-pedalling and coverup by the police... then there is the misinterpretation and willy fighting going on further muddying the waters !!!...