richard_smith237

Yep - it exists I recall reading it... Not sure if its in the Identity Card Act 1983.... or documented elsewhere.

I thought this forum only allowed English. Well... on a technicality, it is present in both the Oxford and Merriam-Webster dictionaries... .... but just in case that doesn't suffice... ... ‘epicaricacy’....

There is only a law which states all people in Thailand (Thai or Foreign) must carry government issued Photo ID. There is no law which states that foreigners must carry their passport - there is no link to a law which does not exist - there is only plenty of other articles, web pages and even embassy advice which make the assumption based on the above law that all people must have photo ID and the logical connection that the only government issued photo ID that every foreigner in Thailand has is their passport - hence the simplification, we must carry our passport which airs on the side of caution. Thus: the only law we (foreigners) need to comply with is carrying a government issued ID. The grey area is whether the Thai DL is considered government issued ID. Or if a Foreign driving licence is considered government issued ID. Thats the technical side of it anyway... There is no requirement to be able to prove our ‘immigration status’ unless asked by an Immigration officer - but, if asked, i.e. Police and Immigration raiding a night club etc and we can’t satisfy immigration of our status, we’d need to be able to provide our immigration status within a reasonable time frame or we could be arrested... In most cases, photocopies are sufficient to prove status.

https://www.thaizer.com/carrying-your-passport-in-thailand/#:~:text=“By law%2C you must carry,the back of your passport.” The waters have been muddied by various contradictory announcements made by police chiefs in certain areas... (i.e. Phuket, Pattaya and Hua Hin) which is contradicted by either an announcement in another province or by an newer Chief Of Police... The law is also somewhat vague... it states ‘Aliens must carry government issued photo identification or be able to provide such within a reasonable time-frame’... It doesn't say ‘Passport’ but many assume this to mean ‘Passport’... even official bodies make this assumption. N

Yup, agreed... Hotels don’t seem to care if its an ID (Pink - not sure about DL etc) or a Passport these days... perhaps that will change with another ‘crack-down’.... Over the past year at least I’ve got the impression anything with your name on it is good enough !

Well of course because you would need it to check into hotels and to check-in for flights.....if flying. No, I use the pink ID. The Passport comes with me, just in case...

Not just you... But, there’s a huge degree of Schadenfreude on this thread.... ... yep... over staying is clearly wrong... but we don’t know what mental issues this guy was suffering... Clearly he’s not 100%...

The Police have more than one friend - they have a huge network of friends and colleagues. Even if stopped on the street, a commissioned officer if provided with your passport number could, within the hour have all of your details.... every visa you have had, every entry and exit you have made since 2012.... even with different passports... they’d have every photo of you ever taken on exit and arrival at the airport. This is fact - I’ve seen it a number of times first hand. Just because you don’t know something or have any understanding or experience of it - it doesn't mean its tosh.

What a load of tosh. What happens week-ends and holidays? Or the the friend is sick ? You're showing you have no idea... Thats why you should carry your passport around with you. A couple more points: Officially, NCO’s cannot ask for your ID / Passport - only commissioned officers can. Also, officially, Only Immigration officers can ask for your Immigration status. Of course the BiB are a law unto themselves and don’t really follow ‘official procedure’ anyway which is why regular police sometimes ask for ID. IF the Police suspect overstay they can contact immigration to check. IF they have the passport number they an check in with Immigration at the Airports who have access to the Immigration Data base. Ultimately - if you cannot prove who you are, you could be held until such a time you can.

I'm not sure about all passports - each page of a British Passport has the Passport number ‘punched’ into to (tiny pin holes)... So a photo of an individual page of the passport with a stamp on can be ‘marred’ to the main ID page (see photo below). While both the regular Police and Immigration Police are both part of the Royal Thai Police Force, they are a separate unit. I don’t think the regular RTP have access to immigration records, but they do have access to colleagues in the Immigration police who do - so they can ‘run the checks via a colleague’ who has access. I don’t know of any app - they have to either go to a terminal or contact a friend who is currently at a terminal and has access to the Immigration database (i.e. the same one the terminals at the airport access).

Agreed.. I’d want to see Foden and Grealish on at the same time... see them linking up and attacking. We were flat and sterile against the US... very ‘careful’ tactics nearly cost us dearly with the US pressing very hard very quickly, they countered very well - we were lucky to come out of the game with a draw. I hate to see England playing such boring, hesitant, unfolding football. As soon as Grealish game on we were far more fluid in attack - he drew players, drew fouls... Foden would do the same.... IMO - Foden is the best player in the England side - I’m really not sure why he isn’t starting. It was good to see Maguire play well after the year of horrific medial bullying he has faced - I hope that has done his confidence the world of good.

The cynic in me suggests nothing will change.... Some of the taxi’s around Bangkok are new, clean and in great condition, but there are a lot which aren’t... many probably older ones such as this. To avoid all this nonsense I use Grab as much as possible, but when flagging down a taxi on the street I ignore the older taxis.. Sometimes I get in taxi’s and there are some dodgy noises etc grinding brakes, clunks and punches from the suspension - if going on an expressway or a faster road I make an excuse and get out, the same if they have no functioning seatbelt.

... why ? Have you looked in the mirror and seen the middle aged man with a bumbag (fanny pack) staring back at you ???? !!!! ????

Valid point - whenever I have travelled within Thailand I always carry my passport with me - its at hand if asked for, but its locked in a travel-wallet with cash and backup credit card etc - its just easier to present ‘a card from the wallet in my pocket’... thats all... In a hotel, the passport stays in the ’travel wallet’ which stays locked in my bag... there’s always a risk of theft I suppose, but as you mentioned... we can over think these things. As far as hotels etc are concern the passport / ID card etc is not an issue - I just don’t want to be carrying my passport with me when out and about - thats all. I think many feel the same.

I guess this thread is only for people that have a Thai drivers licence lol I wonder if the hotels would accept an ‘over-seas’ driving licence.... Or, if they [hotels] accept a photocopy of your passport or the reduced sized laminated copy some guys get made...

What were you searching for on Market Place ????

I always figured the hotels would need a Passport so they can file the TM30.. This past year, every hotel I’ve checked into over Thailand, I’ve done so with the Pink ID - they never asked for the passport, thus, I figure, they only file a TM30 if we check-in with a passport, and if we don’t its less work for them !... [not lodges or back packer places but - decent resorts - So Sofitel, Marriotts etc] Thus, as you pointed out h&s - its seems any ID will do.

Erm... https://www.statista.com/chart/16875/super-bowl-viewership-vs-world-cup-final/

Luck of the draw... That same person who can’t get their App ready before payment is due is the same person who digs through their bag for their purse / wallet, then takes time digging out the right change.... That same person is the one who walks up to their door and only then starts to look for their house key etc etc... I think you get my point - slow people are slow people... Some are obviously slower to adapt than others. For me, cashless with a QR code, True Pay, Line Pay or Prompt Pay (in Thailand) is quickest way to go - the only issue is working out which vendor uses which payment system. Local fresh markets etc... some have a QR code already on a small sign... others are happy to hold up their phone with their QR code... obviously cash is still used the most.

to be fair... If I’m so knackered that I’m capable of taking a nap in the car (in a lay-by or car park), I should not be driving at all or anywhere near the open road !!!... But... on a long journey... a coffee can add a little ‘pep-me-up’... as does a stopping off for 15 mins etc..

I fully understand my humour... just not yours. ???? - You’ve pulled the trigger too early.... read again... the comment and explanation was not aimed at you. Look at the post quoted, which I was responding to... (the poster by the name of ‘in full agreement’) - who’d misunderstood ‘humour’ part of my explanation of your comment.

You may need to read that again - you have the wrong end of the stick.. .

No.. I used ‘we’ in the original comment you failed to understand. Thus, its best you don’t go down that road and argue the meaning of ’seen’ in this context... because you clearly do not understand. ‘We’ve seen it time and time again’ - means its happened time and time again... IF you don’t understand that context, thats on you, your misunderstanding for missing the nuance of the language used and taking the phrase very literally... I’ve no issues with anyone misunderstanding because English is nuanced and complicated - I’m happy to explain... but, if you want to argue the meaning of the language I have used you are doing so from a position of misunderstanding - its ok to accept you made a mistake and jump to the wrong conclusion in your haste to throw criticism...

How did you manage that, he only scored 17. As much as you like to think so Richard, you can't be right and know everything all of the time. Was just a guess... I think in your eagerness to argue the comment you missed the point of the comment....

But most developed countries do not have the most common mode of transport as motorbikes, i think that comparison would not be accurate. Agreed... its a difficult one to call and can only be measured by a comparison of ‘motorcycle KMs’ ridden per-accident... For example: UK 2020 Cars were driven 209.6 Billion vehicle miles - There were 669 deaths in cars. Motorcyclists rode 2.5252 Billion vehicle miles - There were 291 deaths on motorcycles. Cars - 313.303 Million Miles per death Motorcycles - 8.64 Million Miles per death Motorcycles 36x more deadly than cars in the UK... But if you ride 10,000 miles per year you’d need to ride 863 years before facing death (statistically that is). ------------- Thailand doesnt seem to collect stats at this detail - it would be an interesting comparison to draw. How many deadly accidents per motorcycle mile / KM are there in Thailand ?? It would also be worth comparing for cars too...