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Agreed, It can make some aggressive and thats definitely not the way to behave here at all, especially in some areas as Thai's can have a hair-trigger when it comes to dealing with such situations.... especially as foreigners are prone to swearing (as are Thai's) but those are often the ones who find themselves in trouble quickly and make the news.... If someone is the type to drink a lot and get aggressive and mouth off, or even act out - they its likely that at some point trouble will find their way. Happily, I'm not one of those and remain quite chilled even to the heavily inebriated phase.... none of my close friends are like that either... Consumption of drugs is a different matter of course, as is drink driving and acting like we own the place etc...

What makes up the heavy traffic here.... One of the major facets often overlooked is the 'amount of roads coverage' as a percentage of surface area of the city - this is difficult to see from ground level.... but sources suggest a clear distinction... Road Surface Area by City (% of total urban area) New York City, USA – 38% Los Angeles, USA – 36% Paris, France – 25% Tokyo, Japan – 23% London, UK – 22% Seoul, South Korea – 21% Mexico City, Mexico – 17% Shanghai, China – 15% Singapore – 12% Toronto, Canada – 11% Bangkok, Thailand – 7.2% Barcelona, Spain – 26% Add to this no "smart traffic lights," which use sensors, cameras, and algorithms to adapt traffic light timings in real-time, optimising traffic flow and reducing congestion, which also often incorporates AI for predictive analytics and emergency vehicle prioritisation and we have grid lock. Add to this length of time that traffic lights are on 'red for' which contributes to the psychological aspect of drivers so reluctant to be stopped for a red light so end up blocking box junctions, again generating grid lock. Additionally, faster cycling of traffic lights can improve traffic flow. When vehicles move through junctions at higher speeds, they tend to spread out more, reducing traffic density and occupying less road space. For example, in the first 30 seconds of green light, 20 cars might pass through a junction; between 30 to 60 seconds, only 10 might pass; and from 60 to 90 seconds, perhaps just 5 - as traffic slows and bunches up. This shows that quicker light cycles can help maintain speed and spacing, making better use of road capacity.

yeah, that part doesn't make sense. if they wouldnt let him in the club, why would they chase him? it's either an unpaid bill or something else he did. and we'll never know. But that wasn't reported in any of the media... it also doesn't fit with halfwits delusion that the 'Thai's never wrong / foreigners always wrong'.... So he'll only accept the what was in Khaosod or any other Thai media source and then reprinted.... even it if is the 'witness statements' of those directly involved in murder trying to cover their tracks.....

Exactly - this is what makes the story so odd.... IF the story that he was 'drugged up and having a psychotic episode'.... and was refused entry to the club... the bouncers don't care, they just want him out of the way.... as mentioned [by save the frogs], its highly implausible the bouncers followed him out of any concern for his well being.... There is CCTV everywhere these days - even in area's outside of the town centre - I find it hard to believe that this is the only footage. I'm sure there would have been CCTV footage out the front of the Karaoke91 club too - its highlight strange that this is not available ?... ... perhaps the Police already have it, its certainly no right for it to be in the public domain, but then why release any footage at all ?.... ... is something being covered up that occurred out the front of the Karaoke 91 club ? If the story were true, would there not also be footage of the Brit running up to the club as well ? All CCTV footage in the area suffering 'brake failure' ??? The issue here of course - is if something happens, how is anyone expecting to get at the truth ? Of course - this is a perfect reason to behave well, don't drink so much and lose control, avoid certain situations wherever possible... and IF in a situation, smile, speak Thai, be polite..... but ultimately in such a situation you are outnumbered - notch it down to experience and move on.

So it was Murder in that case.... though the CCTV footage shows this was not an outright violent attack, rather is clear they tried to subdue and control him....

Which is why I'm questioning the whole story... Its possible (conjecture). ... Had the Brit actually been in the club and built up quite a bill which he'd tried to avoid ??? ... Had the Brit been in the club and the bill 'padded' (not uncommon here), and he tried to run ??? The bouncers were not 'chasing him' out of concern, thats for sure.... So, why were they 'really chasing' him ??? - I think thats one of the important unanswered facets of this whole story.

You are wrong. It is not an opinion, it is a fact. A load of pitbull. OK cockroach.... you're clearly trolling.... pathetic melt.

who would try to steal a motorbike with 2 tough guys standing next to it? either he was drug-crazed or ... was it his motorbike to begin with? Indeed... So much unanswered... I'm even wondering if he didn't realise the guys who were stood next to the motorcycle were the guys who were chasing him in from Karaoke 91. ... But, were there other guys chasing him before that ?? which is why he was 'reportedly' agitated when he got to the Karaoke 91 venue (again, reported - believable ?) The manner in which he attempts to take the motorcycle (in the CCVT footage) certainly seems to indicate either a) Extreme fear for his life b) Drug fuelled delusion c) Combination of both Or as you said - was he being so abusive in front of the 91 Karaoke place, that the guys, took his bike and rode it up the street to get him away from the area... then they decided to 'fill him in a little'... ... But there was no mention at all that this was his bike and I'd have thought the news might at least have got that bit right ? One thing is for sure - only the survivors were able to give witness statements - and to believe any of that would be greatly naive.

You would be wasting your time because it never happened. Get yourself some help. The right medication can stop the hallucinations. Keep looking then - they haven't stopped your delusions...... clearly nothing works on you, certainly not common sense. You just want the Brit to be wrong because its simple and it fits your delusional bias. Maybe you are right and the whole story is completely true - exactly as reported. Or maybe you are not, and there is a lot more to the story than we read. Either way, you blindly believing the informtion you read in Thai media and re-printed here exactly as its written is outrageously stupid. & No... No links - as mentioned.... I'm not going to spend time digging though your thousands of trollish comment's.. everyone knows your comments are trollish, triggering an ignorantly idiotic, gullible and heavily weighted with delusional bias. No one can be this stupid - its clear you are deliberately trolling and getting a kick of attempting to trigger others (myself included)... its funny... but the same games have become boring... you've become just another wasteful irritant rather than someone to have an amusing verbal spar and play with....

Agreed.... I don't think the Thai bouncers used what appeared to be excessive force to subdue the Brit... but clearly they did because he was choked out and died... ... maybe something else happened to him while he was being subdued... he would have been significantly out of breath after running / sprinting, maybe that had something to do with it. But... there is still a lot more leading up to the 'attempted motorcycle theft' that doesn't add up and I'm not inclined to believe the story of the guys who were involved in manslaughter. As the story mentioned and as others (of sensible and balanced mind) pointed out - the story is odd enough that the 'drugs aspect' could well be a valid factor in this... but without any evidence the story plays very strongly on the drugs aspect which could be a red-herring, or true... Its a shame we will never see a follow up to this story - we always end up debating what happened etc, yet we never see the follow up, the findings - but even then, with such corruption here, would the findings ever tell a true story of events in the first place ?

100% - there are still a lot of unanswered questions and the story thus far remains based on the claims of the two men who committed manslaughter, which as far as I'm concerned is likely to be nothing more than a fabrication. Watching the video - I do believe the death was accidental... I do believe the Thai men were not trying to kill the British lad, but trying to subdue him, in doing so they ended up suffocating him to death - but also got a few punches in. Story as I understand it - Questioning what and why: - Brit was seen running from was seen running from Phibunsongkhram Bridge along Pracharat Sai 1 Road << By Whom - who are these witnesses ? >> is this even true ? - Brit attempted to enter 91 Karaoke establishment and was prevented entry. - An argument broke out << Who reported this - the killers ? >> is this even true ? - Brit ran away << why did he need to run away ?? >> Scared of the bouncers ? - There is no CCTV from front of Karaoke 91 - thats very odd << don't all such places have CCTV out front, due to the frequency of issues >> has this been hidden or 'dissappeared' ? - Brit was chased by two bouncers (after the argument) << why did they chase him ?? >> - Bouncers chased Brit on their bike and got ahead of him. - Conjecture: Did the Brit run into the 'bouncers' not realising they were the very same guys he was trying to get away from ??? (i.e. drunken and drugged state) - Brit tried to push the bouncers away and steel the motorcycle << scared for his life ? >> why not run the other way ? - Brit was also screaming something on the video - it sounded like "they're trying to kill me"....(make your own interpretation of what he was screaming - its not very clear) - Bouncers subdued him, punching him and then choking him. - Story of bouncers trying to show him something on a phone (no evidence of that in CCVT) - strange story. As mentioned - a lot more unanswered to the story here - And before some delusional halfwitted pillock melts on about how I'm making up stories - the above comments are questions asking what happened, why it happened, whether what unfolded makes any sense even from the point of view of being drugged up, and also question the veracity of any statements provided by those who committed manslaughter, which the media ran with.....

So you tried and couldn’t find any of these comments that only were in your mind. Like the pitbull, the sunglasses, etc. Have you ever thought of seeking treatment for your schizophrenia? This highlights your lack of reading comprehension: I'm not going to spend time digging though your thousands of trollish comment's... but I don't think putting comments in bold even helps direct you to key points.... Your only intent is trolling. On to the next story, where no doubt you've believe blindly whatever is written to blame a foreigner even when various sources contradict each other, such is your unhinged delusional bias and utter ignorance of reality.

Indeed. British man murdered by a gang of thugs in Bangkok is the headline. There's never an excuse for murder so the circumstances (excuses for their actions) surrounding this literal beating to death of a tourist in Bangkok are kind of irrelevant really. He's dead, they killed him and it's all on CCTV. Agreed.... there remains a certain faction within the forum who appear intent on assigning blame to the deceased or victim whenever its a foreigner.... implying, either overtly or subtly, that he somehow “had it coming” or that the tragedy was the result of his own actions. Such views seem rooted in a persistent and delusional refusal to ever criticise Thai nationals, no matter the circumstances. Nonetheless, the situation and its unfolding narrative are, to say the least, peculiar. The difficulty lies in the fact that much of the account we are being presented with is likely riddled with inaccuracies, if not outright fabrications provided primarily by those who committed manslaughter. Yet, in this thread we find ourselves contending with individuals who unquestioningly accept this version of events as gospel, simply because it appeared in a media outlet. These individuals who declare with misplaced confidence that “the facts have been stated” reveal only the depth of their own credulity and extent of their blind dumb ignorance. It is nothing short of folly to take every printed word as truth, and yet they remain blissfully ignorant of their own intellectual shortcomings to the extent the muddy these threads and dirty the waters of truth with an unhinged delusional bias to the extent that suggest they need psychiatric assistance.

& Malcy didn't even contribute yet !!!!

Always is... Its busses this month.... Then Songkran accidents... and 1000's dying in flat bed pickups. Then its back the deflection against some foreigners who'e done something wrong, ebore the weather changes and some tourists boats over-turn... ... Mean while - official graft runs quietly in the background and new projects will be approved,... no room in the media left to discuss that... Not at least until someone gets caught and moved to an inactive position...

Fantastic to know that you will be there to complete the story for me with your non eye witness fabricated accounts. Thanks mate. I dont need to be there for you Malky... if its possible, you just need to use a tiny amount of the whatever brain you haven't let wither away to the alcohol and apply a little bit of critical thought.

As if I'm going to spend time digging though your thousands of trollish comment's... no thanks cockroach.

Show me the link. It never happened. Show you the link of what ye dimster... you're not even making sense now... "It never happened" - what are you rattling on about ?... Something in this story, or one of the many other stories you brought to troll and try to trigger ?

Show me the link. It never happened. Are you arguing with yourself now? No, I'm highlighting the oddity of the situation.... as I keep pointing out, there seems to be more to this story than we are reading.

I've accepted it was a Thai Breed of dog you daft womble.... I've also highlighted why the assumption may be made that it was a pitbull type breed - are you so thick you can't understand that ? - I put it in bold text for you. Yeah... I kind of sounds like that - have you played the video with sound... he (the deceased) was screaming something.... it sounded like that... what do you think it sounded like ? Dumb attempt to trigger based on an old thread where a pop-start had a crash at night and the only photos of him are of him wearing sunglasses - I argued he might have been wearing them while driving and this impacted his vision - you, Malky, wanted to argue that because, well, you're a silly numpty. Dumb attempts to trigger - you really a dim idiot, you've now exaggerated the story to getting friends off criminal charges - anyone with a brain know the interference has to take place before anything is official. You really are delusional fruit-cake... completely incapable of basic reading comprehension instead making your own moronic, idiotic and pathetic interpretation of everything - Grade A1 for cockwomblery. By all means, read the other stuff, post links to it all - its useful information. But learn to take 'everything you read in print' with a dash of scepticism and understand whatever is in print is very a rarely the complete story and very rarely the facts or the truth.

Quite possible... the story states he was not permitted entry to the Karaoke Bar... thats the strange part for me... So why run in the first place ?.... was he escaping an earlier place where people were chasing him ? As you also point out... The two guys have got off the motorcycle and he runs towards them, which is also odd if he is trying to 'escape' from them..... so maybe he was running away from others, or in a drugged up state, something imaginary. A lot of this story doesn't add up and as you mentioned, that simply could be his 'reported' behavior is extremely odd due to substances consumed. All we see in the CCTV is him running up to the bike and trying to get on it and ride it off and the guys stopping him and subduing him, sadly fatally so... ... He also appears to be screaming something which could be "they're trying to kill me, ahhhhh"... It's all a rather odd story - but it needs far more serious investigation for sure - as whatever the 'witness' statements are, we really can't be taking any statement made by two guys who killed someone as fact. I'd hope to see (or at least hope the family and investigators) get to see un-doctored toxicology results too.

Your idea of a 'fact check' is comical - its nothing more than looking at a Thai media source.... This is usually the same media source from which an English translation was made and contains the same gaps and informational mistakes... You are an utter fool for considering in any way or form that any of these 'reports' are facts.... Far from it... they are 'news articles' that quote nearby people, who themselves are often guessing or incorrect, or in the case of this story, quote the 'two guys who ended up killing someone'.... and you take this as 'fact'... only a pure idiot is so stupid... and you wash rinse and repeated the same utter idiocy repeatedly in a state of pure delusional fantasy without any critical thought or even the most basic sense of intellectual balance.

Nope - I didn't make that up - I questioned if it was a Pit Bull type dog and explained why is questioned that... making the statement: [My very first thoughts... Pit Bull... but thats clearly due to the bias and media conditioning we've received over the years] You were too stupid to understand that last comment which has now been highlighted for the 3rd time for you... yet you still accuse me of making up stories, when the comments are in fact open speculation and guess work..... There is nothing on any of the CCTV footage which shows it. The only mention of the 'kick to the nuts' is the quote from the Thug who lured an aging foreigner into an alley and knocked him out.... You of course believed the Thai thug's word as fact - no surprise there.... Show proof of the foreigner kicking the security guy in the nuts - there is none. Yep... you used that one a few times - a weak attempt to point score. Just as you did accusing me of having 'altercations' which Thai's - just your made up accusations of the lying cockroach you are. the delusion is all yours... an out right liar.

what did you see of ‘his behaviour’ ??? looked like he was running for his life… turns out for good reason…. Why was he running & what from ?

Yes of course it was the cheating Thais fault.The Englishman was behaving like a perfect gentleman and didn’t bring it upon himself three times. At least you are consistent if very predictable. You saw the question marks, right ??? (that was another three). I'm asking questins because the story is odd, it seems incomplete... The guys who say the 'guy' was running to the bar and they wouldn't let him in, are the same guys who chased him an ultimately killed him.. ... Are you really going to believe anything they say ???? I don't think they killed him deliberately of course - the video shows that they tried to stop him... he tried to get away on their bike, they subdued him the fatality part looks accidental... ... But what were they doing chasing him in the first place ? - to help a foreigner in need ??? ... They killed him, are you really going to believe the 'excuse' of who two guys who just killed someone ???? You're a complete fool if you do... but we know that you'll believe anything in print whatever the source, without question, without critical thought, without questioning what the facts really are ? .... And why is that ?... because it all fits your highly idiotic and delusional bias that Thai's can do no wrong and foreigners are all bad. Too many questions in this story - nothing adds up at all...