rockingrobin

On 9/23/2016 at 3:48 PM, Craig krup said:

I notice that Martin Schulz is at the LSE threatening that the parliament will veto any deal. Er, no. What does Article 50 say? It says "A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament."

 

The parliament licences the council to conclude, and the council then concludes by a qualified majority. You can't "conclude" anything if there's a further procedure. The member states have the power, and the big ones almost all of it. Germany (cars), France (food), and Spain, Greece and Portugal (holidays) rule. 

The QMV is a  bit of a  red herring, the EU always has operated a QMV in some guise or form but for certain areas the requirement for unanimity is maintained.Depending  on what areas is being negotiated will determine the voting process.

Initially what I personally think is that the negotiations will be narrow in scope with a further  agreement to conclude the withdrawal at a  future date.

All article 50 requires is to conclude arrangements for its withdrawal, not necessarily the withdrawal

18 minutes ago, Phuket Man said:

Everything he needs to know is here. https://www.gov.uk/new-state-pension

 

His Wife will get nothing. That includes bereavement benefit.

He will get nothing if he has less than 10 years National Insurance payments.

More than that and he will get 1/35th for each year he has contributed.

I.E. 11 years contribution will get him around £48.90 a week.

If he gets anything it will never increase as long as he stays in Thailand.

The ability for  spouse to inherit additional state pension has not been totally abolished, however it is severely curtailed. The following explains

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7631

16 minutes ago, Khon Kaen Dave said:

MartinL

Thank you for taking the time to answer the question.I didnt know about the 2016 ammendment.I would think that he has the ten years,as he was an apprentice to a large company for 5 years,and his stamp would have been paid.Then he worked for his father for another 5 before going on his own,so i suppose he will get the basic.Thanx again.

The first thing to do is contact the DWP to obtain an estimate.

The state pension he will be entitled (if any) will be dependant  upon his NI record.It should be noted that the period of apprenticeship may not count it will depend  upon if the salary was at or above the level to pay NI

There are currently 2 state pension  systems running in tandem , the old system(Basic £119 +any serps) and the single tier (£155 for 35 years  of NI) , he will  receive whichever is the greater amount.

Any periods of being contracted  out to a private  or personal pension complicates the calculations.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37456727

4 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Its more democratic than general elections.

 

The referendum was a simple yes/no vote - and whichever had the larger vote 'won'.

3 hours ago, rockingrobin said:

Majority of tyranny is also democratic

29 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

Oh dear. The standard mantra of the anti-democrat. Heard regularly in Thailand from the New Politics fascists' mouths, as a matter of fact.

It is about  forms of democracy and nothing to do with being anti democrat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

5 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Its more democratic than general elections.

 

The referendum was a simple yes/no vote - and whichever had the larger vote 'won'.

Majority of tyranny is also democratic

28 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

 

The really stupid ones are those who know that the £ has fallen 10% against the baht and entertain everybody with their finger in the ears 'I don't cares'. Meanwhile those reliant on sterling incomes and living in Thailand are financially poorer. So that is what those expats have gained.

Spot on

whilst it may be an inconvenience to some it will be a concern to others and to dismiss  their opinions is arrogance

22 minutes ago, SgtRock said:

It would appear that some posters need to start reading and understanding the links that they post here.

 

 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/20/passporting-rights-brexit-uk-firms-fca-eu

 

There will be a recalibration on how business is done, but nothing will be lost.

Some additional info

In it, Mr Bailey revealed that 8,008 European companies use 23,532 passports to trade in the UK.

By contrast, 5,476 UK firms currently hold some 336,421 passports to trade elsewhere in EU.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37416280

The reality is we mere mortals will have to wait and see what the lucky dip bag produces

56 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

Does Mr Hussein have any view as to why the rich countries in the region, such as Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Oman and Iran are not taking more of these refugees. Especially as their religion and cultures are the same or similar and many of the countries rely on large numbers of migrant workers?

 

Or does he think the response should only be from rich Western countries?

 

 

With regards to the gulf states the  following  may provide some clarity

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anhvinh-doanvo/europes-crisis-refugees_b_8175924.html

43 minutes ago, SgtRock said:

emilymat.

 

A great post, thank you  I only want to respond to one part now.

 

 

I want to initially  answer this because it is a part that produces a lot of fudge when the NHS is discussed.

 

As per my OP when the NHS was originally set up to provide free primary healthcare. The Primary healthcare was based on a medical definition of primary healthcare. Not on whether a GP or a Hospital was primary or secondary healthcare.

 

Primary healthcare being based on, in simple terms.

 

To maintain Breathing

To arrest Bleeding

The treatment of Breaks and Burns

The treatment of infections and diseases.

 

Primary healthcare would also include the infrastructure for the diagnosis and treatment of the above.

 

A basic, free point of use healthcare service for all that is paid for through general taxation.

 

You have made many other points that I will return and return.

I would have to disagree , the nhs was set up to provide free healthcare, 

I think this link provides an historical look 

http://www.nhshistory.net/shorthistory.htm

From the article

“Currently, pensioners can stay overseas for 26 weeks and receive their full pension,” Macklin said. “Following that time, the pension is reduced to a rate that depends on the number of years they have worked in Australia

Is  this about the means tested state pension 

30 minutes ago, bark said:

This is a live connection ; government consultant. Cost restructuring social programs, after UK split. 

My sister in-law; told me this one is 90 percent going to happen.

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/restricting-non-residents-entitlement-to-the-uk-personal-allowance/restricting-non-residents-entitlement-to-the-uk-personal-allowance

I was under the impression the contents of above link had been scraped but cannot say with certain.However it does give an insight into government mindset

39 minutes ago, nontabury said:

 

  If you do not inform them that you have moved to Thailand, you  will continue to receive yearly increases to  your state pension for which you have contributed to.

   As for severe penalties, you will find post 18 and 21 spot on.

   Those who may consider it fraud not to inform the authorities, may wish to ask yourself, if this is any more fraud then Your government, actually freezing your pensions, into which you have made many years payment. Legal maybe,morally certainly not.

 As others have already mentioned,all of these points can be found in the main U.K. 

Pension thread.

I dont consider it fraud ,it is an act of fraud by virtue of uk law irrespective of the moral or ethical justifications

41 minutes ago, i claudius said:

As to the fact Thatcher gave free houses to girls who were not married and had babies ,lets not forget that in those days it was not "the norm" to pop out kids just to get freebies , but it was done to help unforunate girls , now its a bloomin life choice .

anyway as to Brexit , i see in the papers today ,Honda is making Britain its export hub for car production , so what did brexit bring , GOOD NEWS  and it keeps on giving .

Honda is also moving production of CR-V compact from uk to canada

10 minutes ago, Dene16 said:

If you have it paid directly to Thailand it will not go up each year with the  rpi (retail price index - inflation). Not a problem at the moment because inflation is so small but could change.

 

Always better to have it paid first into a UK bank account

My understanding  is that where a person is living determines if the pension is frozen, not where the monies are deposited.

As for uprating the triple lock is still in place therefore a minimum of 2.5%

There are 2 research papers I would recommend downloading and reading from Parliament

http://www.parliament.uk/topics/PensionsArchive.htm#SN

Frozen Overseas Pensions

Brexit: impact across policy areas  (sectiion 13 deals with social security) 

On 9/12/2016 at 2:54 PM, overherebc said:

Re Brexit . I reckon the agreement on pension applies to many countries that are not EU members so not sure if it would change anything. 

The agreements were in place before joining EU I think.

Obviously countries outside the EU with existing upratings will not be affected by brexit, however the countries within the EU will depend on what is negotiated , there are very few with reciprocal arrangements in place.

It should also be noted the government website states that to unfreeze state pension you have to return to the UK to live. The uprating is part of the UK social security arrangements and as such is for british residents with provisions for exceptions

31 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

You really should be asking at the branch holding your account - and they have the option to put it into hold status until after the date indicated on letter.  In Bangkok branch offices in immigration building are willing to issue for anywhere but elsewhere it would normally have to be made by request to head office for another branch I suspect.  

Just recently done mine at Kasikorn in chiang khan even though my branch is khantalarak.

2 hours ago, rockingrobin said:

In retrospect I think he is talking about his own companys situation regarding the inability to hire sufficient engineers. In another article he mentions that the UK dont produce enough engineers when compared to other countries and he believes after brexit a global immigration policy could be put in place.I suspect  he hopes the rules and costs to be eased for hiring these  non british engineers

 

1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

 I've also worked in an Upper school (before the open borders policy), in a deprived area that had problems recruiting teachers.

 

Consequently, quite a few were employed from abroad - which was a 'pain in the neck' admin. wise - but we didn't have to pay for it, other than the recruiting agency fees and, of course, the teachers' salaries.

The criteria to sponsor a non eu worker can be  quite onerous

https://www.gov.uk/uk-visa-sponsorship-employers/apply-for-your-licence

33 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

 

I can agree with that entirely. I think there's a list of priorities and the UK expat pension uplift issue is in there somewhere, I do think however that humanitarian aid is higher up that list. Trying to source savings for expat pensions from other sources is definitely a starter, the question is where, BTW they need to be real savings and not just avoided costs.

 

 

The real issue about  frozen pensions in order for any uprating to occur a change in law is required.

10 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

I think that's the point.

 

Long before the EU's 'open borders' policy I worked in the Group Strategic Development department of a company with subsidiaries worldwide, and this small department (less than 10 people, including 2 typists and someone for filing/copying etc. ) always had at least one 'highflyer' from the US or Canadian subsidiary on a 2 year secondment.

 

Employing well paid people from foreign countries was never a problem, and its beyond belief to believe it will become a problem if the UK leaves the EU.

In retrospect I think he is talking about his own companys situation regarding the inability to hire sufficient engineers. In another article he mentions that the UK dont produce enough engineers when compared to other countries and he believes after brexit a global immigration policy could be put in place.I suspect  he hopes the rules and costs to be eased for hiring these  non british engineers

I dont understand the quote from Sir James Dyson and the hiring of engineers

"Well, I remember a time before 1973 when we joined the European Union when I was working in France - so before we were in Europe we could go and work in Europe and Europeans could come and work here," he answered.

"I hope that continues to exist. And if it doesn't, it opens the possibility to hire people from outside of Europe.

"We can employ Chinese engineers, Singaporean engineers, American engineers which we can't do at the moment."

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37352312

Surely if he wishes to hire such engineers and is willing to comply with the work/immigration rules then he can.I fail to see how being out of the EU will change this

8 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

...and apparently Project Fear still hasn't got the message.

Unfortunately at the present time it would appear that nobody knows where they are going, how to get there, or what they want when they arrive.

18 minutes ago, nontabury said:

 

 

  Correct in addition to highlighting the money that the government can produce while at the same time refusing to unfreez fully contributed pensions. I do believe some British ex-pats have had to return home,while others are probably having to consider that course  of action and are not aware of the financial support at the UK end.

With regards to unfreezing state pension the statement by,Lord Freud is quite powerful and would need  to be successfully countered

' In debate in the House of Lords on 9 March 2011, Parliamentary-Under Secretary of State, Lord Freud, said:
My Lords, this is a much more complicated issue than it seems on the surface, because it is not a question of making a payment to a pensioner the entirety of which they then put into their pocket. The country where they are living will often supplement their pension, so it can often be a case, for instance, of us making a higher pension payment and the equivalent of pension credit being reduced. It is money out of the UK taxpayer's pocket into the pocket of the taxpayers of another country. It is a far more complicated issue than it seems on the surface. [...] The point about costs in the current environment is that this change to uprating in the frozen areas would cost us £620 million a year, and in the context of the austerity position that we are in - all noble Lords will be very familiar with the terrible dilemmas that we face as we look to get the budget under control - we should consider how much that £620 million represents '

Do not know what to make of David Davies comments yesterday

' Davis said parliament would be called upon to pass new laws to enact the exit from the bloc. '

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-davis-idUKKCN11I1UN

' Brexit Secretary David Davis said on Monday the government must persuade those who voted to stay in the European Union in both houses of parliament that Brexit is worthwhile. '

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-davis-parliament-idUKKCN11I1YX?mod=related&channelName=domesticNews