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1 hour ago, Khun Han said:
The autopsy started at 11am on the 17th. Can you explain to us how the mixed sample was extracted and processed? And why the date on the documents presented to trial court was 5th October?
If the results were not finalised until Oct 5 , how did they clear any suspects before this date
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51 minutes ago, AleG said:
An excellent example of how and why the press coverage of this case has been geared towards creating controversy rather than informing people.
Cherry pick one word and put it in the headline to predispose the reader, fair and balanced.
Headline: DNA evidence "lost" - police.
Note the quotes around lost, that implies the police has said the DNA evidence on which the case is built is lost.
The evidence is "lost" OMG!! COVER UP!
So what evidence, precisely, they say has been lost?
"A hair sample found in Miss Witheridge's hand was among samples that were lost, he said."
A hair sample, that was not what the case against the B2 was built on, no mention of what other evidence was supposedly lost. That DNA evidence, specifically, is the one retrieved from inside one of the victims, the article just let's people make assumptions about the status of the evidence used to identify the attackers.
It's like covering a gun robbery that ends up with a bank guard dead, "Evidence "lost" - police" shout the newspaper headlines, then you read that what is lost is a glove found at the crime scene, not the handgun actually used to shoot the bullets that killed the guard and has the fingerprints of the shooter, that context being completely omitted from the article. Of course if someone is not acquainted with the case and reads the article they probably will believe that the evidence used against the shooter has been lost.
This is precisely the sort of games that can be played in the media (social or traditional) to build a narrative, generate controversy and manipulate public opinion.
And that's not even touching into the matter of who was the reporter quoting from, since most of the quotes picked up by the media were in fact the work of the defense retelling the court proceedings and they of course wouldn't sensationalize something in order to push a particular narrative... not while they have the press to do it for them by substituting "used up during testing" by "lost" when referring to that particular hair (which again had no bearing on the case built against the B2):
"Lieutenant Colonel Somsak said all police could offer the court was documentation of the results.
"There's nothing left. It was used up when we tested the first time," he said."
Not the same isn't it? "lost" and "used up after testing (with documentation of the results)". But the former it's more clickbaity than the latter so it's OK to stretch the truth a little bit.
But then, as always this is all nuanced thinking, that pesky logic some complain about.Speaking to the BBC, Lieutenant Colonel Somsak, who led the original investigation, said some of the original DNA samples had been "used up".
A hair sample found in Miss Witheridge's hand was among samples that were lost, he said.
Lieutenant Colonel Somsak said all police could offer the court was documentation of the results.
"There's nothing left. It was used up when we tested the first time," he said
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-33457038
The article is quite clear,
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I moved my personnel pension off shore some time ago and will be able to claim it when i soon reach 55 years old. My pension provider said i should be able to also claim a reduced state pension though after sifting through the UKGOV website for days cannot find an answer.
So, does anyone know if i can claim a reduced early UK state retirement pension and if so how ?
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Apologies but it is not clear what your provider is saying.Are they suggesting that you can claim the state pension at the age 55 but reduced to account for early payment, or you can claim a state pension at age 66 reduced because of contracting/opting out for a period of time
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Pound trading below 1.27 to USD
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9 minutes ago, boomerangutang said:
There are a lot of things to appreciate outside the realm of money. I just took a long walk/jog in the country. Nature all around, including a sunset. More precious than the crown jewels guarded by beefeaters.
I dont disagree in principle, but did the walk/jog and sunset put food on the table for yourself and family
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The economic fundamentals of the UK are pretty good , and yet sterling is falling, the danger for me is that if the markets get too spooked we may find that traders act like sheep and blindly sell .I think we are some way off this but on a cautionary the year has been unpredictable and with November who really knows
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Guys at present sterling looks oversold, what appears to be driving it down is that the UK government appears heading towards a hard brexit
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22 minutes ago, Xircal said:
Don't be fooled by that. After all, back in 2013 Britain fought hard to keep farm subsidies: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jul/01/farm-subsidies-blatant-transfer-of-cash-to-rich
The following should shed some light on farm subsidies and politics
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1 hour ago, stander said:
QUOTE OF THE DAY
‘We are not leaving the European Union only to give up control of immigration again...We are going to be a fully independent, sovereign country—a country that is no longer part of a political union with supranational institutions that can override national parliaments and courts.’
—British Prime Minister Theresa May signaled that the U.K. would pursue a clear break from the European Union, saying that the U.K. would trigger the process of disentangling from the bloc by the end of March.
To return sovereignty to the executive,bypassing parliament using secondary legislation.
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It looks like the PM statement and perception of hard Brexit is puting pressure on the pound
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25 minutes ago, SgtRock said:
Referendum question
Which contradicts you.
No mention of Muslims. No mention of numbers. All about EU quota's.
The question was
Do you want the European Union to be able to mandate the obligatory resettlement of non-Hungarian citizens into Hungary even without the approval of the National Assembly?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_migrant_quota_referendum,_2016
The article from the guardian is six months old
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50 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:
The Scottish Parliament doesn't really get a say in the matter. However the Scotland Act 1998 requires that all Scottish laws are based upon EU law, so this act would need to be amended.
Convention states that this is a devolved matter and that the Scottish Government should amend the act accordingly, however if they refuse to do so, the UK government can override the Scottish Government and force the amendment themselve. I am very much looking forward to that one.
Interesting footnote no 27 from House of lords constitutional committee on page13
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201617/ldselect/ldconst/44/44.pdf
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6 minutes ago, Grouse said:
May's speech was just a sop to the party at the start of their conference. Actually the act would obviously have to happen and declaring something that won't take effect for two or three years is just disingenuous.
We still have no policy aims and meanwhile dark clouds are looming
Tell you what, let's start a debate about grammar schools to distract the peasants
The Great Repeal Bill is significant if enacted as proposed, the secondary legislation returns sovereignty to the executive and not parliament
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The speeches and comments were nothing more than political theater. There was no substance and lack of objectivity , the same old mantra repeated.
As for the Great Repeal Bill I do wonder if it will be supported in Scotlands parliament
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2 hours ago, sandyf said:
It is not that simple, credits are available. I have 48 years plus one incomplete year of contributions, and as they finish at age 65 they must have started at 16, when I was a very low paid apprentice.
Sandyf you are correct it is not as simple as I quoted.
It is my understanding that prior to 1975 the employer had to purchase a flat rate stamp for every employee which was attached to a card and at the end of the year forwarded to the DSS.
In 1975 the system changed to be earnings related and collected along with tax under the PAYE.
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Hungarys quota was 1300
The latest figures i have seen is 639 asylum seekers and 26,000 applied for refuge
However what is not being discussed is Hungarys residency bond scheme aimed at non eu investors to obtain Hungarian residency permit and access to Schengan, currently 4000 have been accepted
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1 hour ago, NanLaew said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/01/brexit-begins-theresa-may-takes-axe-to-eu-laws/
As Magnus Magnusson used to say, "I've started so I'll finish..."
here is the more significant quote
“EU law will be transposed into domestic law, wherever practical, on exit day,” he will say. “It will be for elected politicians here to make the changes to reflect the outcome of our negotiation and our exit. That is what people voted for: power and authority residing once again with the sovereign institutions of our own country.”
so on exit it could be possible for non EU citizens to maintain their freedom of movement to uk but freedom of movement for uk nationals curtailed
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1 hour ago, ourmanflint said:
Very late to the conversation, but one thing that has always amazed me, is when the government tries to convince everybody that immigrants are a net benefit to the economy.
This is just one big fat lie. From the report the govt uses to justify itself
They estimate immigrants spending "consumption rate" to be 80% of non migrant spending.
This is pure fantasy. If you look at the figures for remittances from UK, they are nearly £17 billion pounds. That money has never been factored into the calculations.
The whole thing is just one big con to stop us from getting too teed off
In this paper, we investigate the fiscal impact of immigration on the UK economy, with a focus on the period since 1995. We provide estimates for the overall immigrant population for the period between 1995 and 2012, and for more recent immigrants who arrived since 2000, distinguishing between immigrants from European versus non-European countries. Overall, our findings indicate that EEA immigrants have made a positive fiscal contribution, even during periods when the UK was running budget deficits. This positive contribution is particularly noticeable for more recent immigrants that arrived since 2000 in particular from EEA countries
http://www.cream-migration.org/publ_uploads/CDP_22_13.pdf
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1 hour ago, ourmanflint said:
The figures I quoted were for money sent electronically it takes no account of money taken home by immigrants as cash or other. Basically the UK is hemorrhaging money to the rest of the world. Best figures available show migrants take out between 25-37% of all money they earn. Good for them, but not good for UK economy.
As do the British Expats
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27 minutes ago, Khun Han said:
Not sure how much of PM May's ear these people have (probably not much), but some interesting ideas being discussed:
Reverting to WTO has its own problems ,the UK trade schedules are aligned with the EU and thus relative quotas agreed, or new schedules drawn up
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10 minutes ago, Orac said:
Does seem a bit odd. The government/remain camp made it clear prior to the vote that in their opinion, wether correct or not, leaving the EU would be bad for the economy yet people voted to leave the very opposite of what he is now saying.Add in the following
Romanian roofers and Polish plumbers now join bankers in the list of occupations ministers have suggested will be unhindered by new promised restrictions of freedom of movement.
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http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-hammond-idUKKCN1202NJ
"We’ve got to be clear about one thing – there's an implicit term of the mandate we received from the British people," Hammond said in an interview with the newspaper.
"It may not have been stated explicitly but it's implicit. And that is that they do not want to see the economy suffer."
Is the referendum being slowly hi jacked , the terms implicit is a worry
Burmese enter their third year in prison for the Koh Tao murders
in Koh Samui News
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The chief prosecutor insinuated DNA had been used up
Thawatchai agreed, saying the BBC had misunderstood the officer and that the evidence had not been lost. However, he said, some DNA samples may have been used up in accordance with the examination process.
"We still have specific DNA samples from the hoe," he said, without elaborating. Police had collected a hoe from a garden near the crime scene where the bodies were found and it was believed to be a murder weapon.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Forensic-evidence-not-lost-police-chief-30264238.html