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rockingrobin
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27 minutes ago, sandyf said:
Been over in Belfast last couple of days to see a friend. He voted to leave, mainly because of the increase in foreigners, but now realises he made a mistake. He is now of the opinion that the only solution is a reunited Ireland, a view that seems to be gaining momentum.
The good friday agreement is intertwined with the EU, and Scotlands devolution act states any laws enacted can be incompatible with EU laws. I am sure there will be a work around
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could this be a viable short term solution
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-autoshow-paris-nissan-britain-idUKKCN11Z1YQ
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I think the 2 screenshots from the article need clarifying (luke oneil twitter)
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' As a newly independent WTO member outside the EU, we will continue to fight for trade liberalisation as well as potentially helping developing markets trade their way out of poverty by giving them preferential access to our markets. '
From Liam Fox speech in manchester ,
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2 hours ago, SgtRock said:
Sarkozy, it would appear, has his finger on the pulse, much to my surprise.
This could be nothing more than Political posturing, although I do not see how that would fit in with the French people who will decide the election.
This is the part where he nails it and gets to the nitty gritty
Its all about the money honey, and it at least appears, that Sarkozy is aware of the financial ramifications of the UK leaving the EU.
Sarkozy could win which could lead to a much changed EU
On the other hand, one more Islamic atrocity in France and Le Pen will win by a lanslide, Frexit to follow.
As people keep saying, interesting times ahead.
'Sarkozy said the new treaty would focus on reforming the Schengen passport-free zone, restricting the European Commission's prerogatives to a dozen, integrating the eurozone further and halting membership talks with Turkey, according to FT '
' "But this time not on the old Europe, on the new Europe. Do you want to stay? If yes, so much the better. Because I can't accept to lose Europe's second-largest economy while we are negotiating with Turkey over its EU membership. And if it's no, then it's a real no. You're in or you're out." '
So thats further integration , and a contradictory statement on Turkey, firstly he would halt talks but still negotating
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13 minutes ago, Xircal said:
Erdogan is a wily old bugger and doesn't do things without reason. So once the UK finally leaves the EU expect Turkey to demand visa free access to the UK for Turkish citizens as part of any trade deal.
prior to the referendum there was a leaked memo suggesting the uk was going to give visa free travel to Turkeys civil servants
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51 minutes ago, ukrules said:
You're very much mistaken, the UK is not out of the EU at all. All that's happened so far is an opinion poll.
The long drawn out process to leave the EU hasn't even started yet and likely won't begin until next year sometime. When this process does begin it might take two years, maybe less but who knows - it could take longer if everyone agrees to extend negotiations.
Until then the UK remains a full memeber of the EU.
I dont think he realises Turkey is part of the customs union any trade deal undertaken needs eu approval
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3 hours ago, i claudius said:
I see that the world trade organization has now said that Britain is doing better than expected after Brexit and even poor old George Osbourn is backtracking and saying that a plague of locusts is not going to descend on Britain ,oh how all their claims of doom and gloom are coming back to haunt them .
Here is the relevant extract
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The outlook for the remainder of this year and next year is affected by a number of uncertainties, including financial volatility stemming from changes in monetary policy in developed countries, the possibility that growing anti-trade rhetoric will increasingly be reflected in trade policy, and the potential effects of the Brexit vote in the United Kingdom, which has increased uncertainty about future trading arrangements in Europe, a region where trade growth has been relatively strong.
The UK referendum result did not produce an immediately observable downturn in economic activity as measured by industrial production or employment; the main impact was a 13% drop in the exchange rate of the pound against the US dollar and an 11% decline in its value against the euro. Effects over the longer term remain to be seen. Economic forecasts for the UK in 2017 range from fairly optimistic to quite pessimistic. Our forecast assumes an intermediate case, with a growth slowdown next year but not an outright recession.'
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3 hours ago, SgtRock said:
Keep your eyes closely on this.
Current share price has plunged to euro 10.59
I fail to see why people are still getting their panties in a twist over Brexit negotiations.
This banking crisis is going to bring about 2 things.
1. The collapse of the euro that will lead to the collapse of the EZ. Brexit negotiations will not be necessary.
2. Merkel will break the rules and bail out both Deutche Bank and Commerze Bank, which will lead to bail outs in Italy and Spain. Which in turn will destroy any negotiating power that the EU might have had.
The EU
''But But But limiting the free movement of people is against EU rules.''
The UK
'' So is State bail-outs of banks now shut the duck up and lets negotiate.''
May, by luck or by design has played a blinder by delaying triggering A50.
Option 1 and 2 look mutually exclusive to me.
If option 1 was to occur , investors would flee to a safe currency probably the USD , this would have the effect of drastically strengthening the USD and the mayhem would begin.
Of course its not going to happen ,the UK would be immune like in the last financial crises and three brexiteers will ride into town and save the day .
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30 minutes ago, SgtRock said:
A few interesting points from the French Minister for EU Affairs
The big one being the mention of a Federal Europe yet again.
It was the Schuman Declaration in 1950 that sent Europe on its federal path
https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/symbols/europe-day/schuman-declaration_en
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33 minutes ago, SgtRock said:
Johnson can say what he likes about Turkey joining the EU. The UK will be out of the EU long before Turkey joins ( if ever ) the EU, therefore what Johnston has to say is irrelevant.
Unsurprisingly you missed this little nugget from the same rag, that further highlights the deep divisions within the EU.
Not only is it causing division within the EU it will also ruffle Russian feathers. Hide problems by creating new problems. Way to go EU. Nothing like a good old fashioned war when things are starting to go down the plughole.
No I did see the link , it is only a committee that is backing the visa for Ukraine.At present if it gets to the council it will be blocked unnles events change.
I was more interested in the article about US bankers lobbying the UK and EU to make a mutual favorable deal
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8 minutes ago, Ace of Pop said:
The Daily Star Lebanon..?look at the top Line
Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa ConnectSeems a bit baffling that during the campaign Turkeys membership was a reason to leave , but brexit uk will support its bid
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Later, one of the officers, Brentley Vinson, 26, said he saw Mr. Scott “hold a gun up,” the statement said. (A separate statement issued by the city on Tuesday said that Mr. Scott “exited the vehicle armed with a firearm,” and that officers approached him after he got back inside his white S.U.V.)
After seeing the gun, the authorities said on Saturday, the officers decided to approach Mr. Scott, but they first left the area to don safety vests that identified them as the police. They returned to the vicinity of his S.U.V., and “again” saw Mr. Scott with a gun.
From the above 2 statements need some further clarification.
Mr Scott exited the vehicle, got back inside and then the police left the scene to don safety vests.
I would of thought since he had exited the vehicle with a gun already ,police leaving the scene is negligent.Whilst the police are donning the safety vest Mr Scott could have gone on a shooting spree
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34 minutes ago, Orac said:
The WTO bit needs to be done in conjunction with brexit negotiations anyway since it will include the WTO agreeing to a new external tariff for the UK which needs extensive consultation with UK industry bodies - a huge task which alone could take a couple of years to do at least.
It is not as simple as just adopting the EU external tariff since this create major problems for many imported goods which could suddenly shoot up in price, particularly agricultural products/foodstuffs.
The issue being whilst we remain a member of the customs union we cannot obtain any agreements independently , they have to be concluded by the customs union on behalf of their members.The government at present has not stated its intentions with regards the custom unions leaving the international trade minister unable to fully carry out is role and potential countries looking to do a trade not fully sure what the UK position is.
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13 hours ago, rockingrobin said:
Coming out of the customs union is a no brainer, it has to happen to be able to conduct your own FTA
What is curious is the timing, considering a new post of international trade secretary I would have thought it was a given.It is not re assuring if this is being confirmed now that the government is anywhere close to start its negotation
On the same theme I wonder how the Irish border will be kept soft and non eu goods prevented from entering
12 hours ago, Khun Han said:It'a rumour at the moment.
Liam Fox has mentioned the need to come out of the customs union before, and is opinion on this would seem rather logical.At present whilst UK is in the customs union it cannot agree any separate trade deals ,making the position of international trade secretary and himself redundant.
What is the point of countries starting informal talks on trade if they dont know that he has the power to make any agreements.
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49 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:17 minutes ago, Khun Han said:
Interesting. Unknown source though.
Coming out of the customs union is a no brainer, it has to happen to be able to conduct your own FTA
What is curious is the timing, considering a new post of international trade secretary I would have thought it was a given.It is not re assuring if this is being confirmed now that the government is anywhere close to start its negotation
On the same theme I wonder how the Irish border will be kept soft and non eu goods prevented from entering
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Is Boris Johnson correct about elections next year
If may 2017 is the date ,it would be nearly one since the referendum
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8 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:
Sorry to be so simplistic - but who cares what the 'experts' are now saying having already having been proven so wrong after their campaign of fear to prevent a brexit vote in the referendum?
They failed and are now trying the same thing - but in the future.....
The EU is now in a very difficult situation as the population of member countries realise that the promised UK armageddon has not happened - and are similarly unhappy about various EU policies/costs etc. etc. EU politicians (particularly those in EU countries) are feeling the heat.
Who knows the eventual result? Certainly not me!
Politicians and 'experts' though keep trying to convince everyone that they know what will happen.... Excuse me, but bulls' manure - they have no idea either - but they have a vested interest in their own campaign for power and personal wealth.
I would be surprised if the banks did not seek clarity, and make contingency arrangements if none was forthcoming
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The effects of the EU and other pension bi-laaterall agreements are slowly been eroded
7.23 As is currently the case for people who reached state pension age before 6 April 2010, years of insurance or residence in another Member State of the European Economic Area (EEA) or in certain countries with which the UK has a bilateral social security agreement (for example, the United States) will count towards the MQP. However, entitlement to new state pension will be based solely on UK contributions, on a pro-rata basis. For example, a person with only five years of UK National Insurance contributions who has a further 30 years of insurance in another EEA Member State would satisfy the MQP through the combination of their UK and foreign insurance and be entitled to 5/35ths of the full rate of the new state pension.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2015/173/pdfs/uksiem_20150173_en.pdf
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22 minutes ago, SgtRock said:
I think some of the Remoaners should take a long hard look at the legal implications that this has in relation to Brexit.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37450742
A precedent has been set in relation to a free trade deal with no free movement of people.
This is going to bite the EU very hard on the @ss in the near future.
No precedent as been set, a free trade deal is not the same as a single market.
As for TTIP Philip Hammond as already stated he feels it is a good template
So what did the Brexit supporters gain?
in Home Country Forum
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The pooling of sovereignty is just to complex a subject for the average Brit, whereas the master servant relationship is easy to understand