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Palestinians in 1947 were driven from their homes at gunpoint. Wkikpedia explains that 250-300K people had already be forced out of the area which became Israel before it's declaration of independence in 1948. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba see section "displacement" It's hard to envision two states now. Even back in 2000 it was unacceptable unless a lot of settlements were removed. Today the pogroms visited on West Bank Palestinians by settlers is pretty ironic. Progroms was the word used by a columnist from Ha'aretz. As for a single state, with the Jewish populace turning further rightward, they want a state without any more Palestinians. Only the eventual severe opprobrium of the world will correct this injustice IMO.
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The point of ethnically cleansing northern Gaza would be ostensibly be to put Palestinians farther away from Tel Aviv, but is really about getting rid of Palestinians and annexing the area to be occupied by settlers, same m.o. as in 1948 and 1967. Sen Lindsey Graham on Meet the Press yesterday is going to tell the Egyptians to open the border and let them all (2.1 mn) into Egypt. The Palestinians know from previous experience that that would not be temporary, so does Egypt. Listen to Khaled Elgindy on BBC World News today. https://www.mei.edu/profile/khaled-elgindy
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The people of Gaza are mainly descendants of the Palestinians uprooted by Israeli troops in 1948. Until 1967 Egypt managed the territory. From then some settlements were established in Gaza, but Sharon decided in 2005 that those settlements were too complicated to maintain, so the settlers were removed. While it angered those extreme Jews who believed that Gaza belonged to them by God's will, it was evidently hoped to provide calm by not having settlers provoke people who had been driven by Israel into cramped refugee camps. Then a year later Hamas won parliamentary elections, and this was not the outcome favored by the US. The following year there was a fight for control of Gaza between Hamas and Fatah. When Hamas won, Israel imposed the blockade enduring to this day. The blockade has made Gaza the world's largest prison. Details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hamas
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Yet bombing continues on the two designated roads! How to cram so many into two roads, even if there were no bombing? A lot of people think that the unstated motive is to ethnically cleanse the northern Gaza. Various people have remarked that this forced transfer would be yet another violation of the Geneva conventions.
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By those wanton killings of civilians, I wonder whether Hamas wanted to provoke Netanyahu into an excessive response that in the end would alienate world opinion. This is not unlike 9/11 in intensity. 9/11 caused America to unjustly attack Iraq in 2003 which in the end cost the US trillions and created instability in the Middle East, not to mention the forever war in Afghanistan which finally reaffirmed the notion that foreigners should not take on Afghans. Hamas chose to strike when a far right government is trying to do an end run on the Palestinians by an Abraham Accord with Saudi Arabia, the country that made the most serious proposal for a two-state solution in 2002. At the time US government policy was under the influence of neocons, so their proposal was ignored. The question now is whether this ends up going full circle, though it's hard to imagine turning back the clock when settlements have hugely expanded in the interim. Today being Friday, what will be the response in mosques around the world? Will the Palestinian issue come off the back burner?
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12 Thais may have been killed in Hamas attack in Israel
placnx replied to webfact's topic in Thailand News
Their attack plan was so brilliant, yet this massacre of civilians threw away any sympathy they could have gained. How pathetic. ISIS was/is something else - not only all the killing, but intentional destruction of Iraq's and Syria's cultural heritage. -
Pfizer stock price is down because the bonanza of vaccine sales is over, not due to being sued. They are facing various patent expirations so until they can get more acquisitions done, the price will be depressed.
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12 Thais may have been killed in Hamas attack in Israel
placnx replied to webfact's topic in Thailand News
It's an interesting solution, especially since Palestinians comprise around 70% of Jordan's population anyway. They fled there after the 67 war. The original Jordanians are culturally distinct from Palestinians. -
12 Thais may have been killed in Hamas attack in Israel
placnx replied to webfact's topic in Thailand News
Extrajudicial execution of journalists is another IDF practice. Shireen Abu Akleh RIP. -
12 Thais may have been killed in Hamas attack in Israel
placnx replied to webfact's topic in Thailand News
Someplace I have a study by William Quandt of the 2000 Camp David negociations. On the bottom line the offer to Arafat was a Swiss cheese state, i.e. bantustans between the settlements, significant areas continuing under Israeli control. Clinton promised Arafat not to blame him for the talks failure, then reneged on his promise. -
12 Thais may have been killed in Hamas attack in Israel
placnx replied to webfact's topic in Thailand News
The Second Temple was demolished by the Romans in 70AD, after an uprising. The birthplace of Judaism is somewhere around the Graden of Eden, I guess.