nellyp

17 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Yes. Send to Sheffield.

Will be do. Thanks

27 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

Link here for Appendix 2:-

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/application-for-uk-visa-for-family-settlement-form-vaf4a

 

Form here:-

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/733638/VAF4A-Appendix2-08-18.pdf

Thanks for this, but I have already found the appendix. I just don't know if I have to send it in if I applied online 

Thanks though 

Here is the actual email content

to me

My wife has sent off her application and all the docs to sheffield, but she has now received a worrying email. My wife applied online, printed off her application, attended VFS and sent all her paperwork (and mine) to Sheffield, but now in the email it says about appendix 1,2,3&4. I am completely confused about this as I have never heard of these before, and believed that it was simply the online application that was required. Does anybody know if we should have included one of these appendices? I have had a look at them and they seem to contain the same questions as the online form. We have 2 children, but they were both born in the UK and are now over here with me already, and my wife is applying for a spouse visa. I really would appreciate any help as, if I need to, I will get the appendix filled in and post it off to Sheffield ASAP

Seems strange that they would say nothing about this at VFS

18 hours ago, rasg said:

I am self employed so I had to supply a lot of bank statements. I stapled each month together and had Santander stamp the front page of each month. No problems.

Decided to have them sent through the post now.

My wife sent all the docs (including internet statements) from Thailand last week, so I am hoping this doesn't hold things up too much as I am going to send them the bank statements from the UK. If they want them, at least I will have sent them already

Fingers crossed

Sorry to Hi-jack this, but is relevant. Do bank statements have to be stamped by the bank, or can I use downloaded PDF as they would be original format. To be honest I have had a lot of conflicting information regarding original documentation or copies.

Bilenbob, my wife is doing exactly what you plan at the moment, so if I can help in any way, please let me know

Thank you for the replies.

It says on the Gov website that I need to tell them our plans as well as accommodation and relationship in an invitation letter.

We can easily afford the trip, but it is -as you say- a worry that they will think she intends to stay. The problem with that is that is that she does not work in general employment, but is running her farm in Thailand. Ironically, she will be going back in September to complete her application for a spousal visa. As she had right to remain previously, I am hoping they will understand that we are going through the right channels for her to come back over later on the spousal visa. The fact  is that she will be coming over to stay; just not at this point

Cheers

I am applying for general visa for my wife to come to the UK for a visit (along with my 2 sons). I am a bit concerned as I have been told to write out a schedule of our plans. This is a bit awkward as it is not actually a holiday they will just be staying with me as I have not seen them for ages. I will be working 5 days a week when they are here, and we have no plans to go sightseeing or doing trips etc (we lived here together for 6 years previously).

My concern is that the schedule is to be used to see if I can afford her trip (with my 2 sons) and it may seem I am trying to avoid showing spending. I have money in the bank and a steady job to cover expenses, but will the visa guys be expecting me to break down every day for 3 months?

I am currently staying with my nephew and they will stay here too, so I have very little overheads and can basically spend all my income on us.

Any advice about how to complete the schedule would be appreciated

Cheers

The latest twist in this long running saga is a great one. After taking advice and applying to change my son's name in the UkKby deed poll, I received the deed poll and sent the consent latter to my wife to sign only discover a little caveat on the instructions on how to use the deed poll. Apparently, as my son is applying for the new passport outside the UK, the deed poll needs to be signed by myself and witnessed in Thailand. Meaning i will need to fly to Thailand to sort this out.

It is increasingly looking like I am going to have to get my son home with his Thai passport and a tourist visa, then try to sort this out in the UK.

This really is becoming the most complicated thing I have ever had to do

https://www.gov.uk/get-a-child-passport/first-child-passport

You will get the info you need from this link

Takes about a month according to their website (when applying from Thailand)

11 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

You have to do it in persson. They have to witness your signature and notarize it.

Yeah. I have already looked into where to stay tube journey etc...nightmare, but has to be done

10 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

They will not be able to leave the country without new passports. 

You could  do a letter of consent at the embassy in London. Then send it so they could apply for the passports.

I will ca ll the Thai embassy in London later today about the consent letter. I am really hoping they can send me one rather than having to travel all the way to London. Surely they could email me the letter of consent as I would need to get it to my wife in Thailand anyway.

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

Why not get them Thai passports whilst in Thailand and then use those to leave?

They have Thai passports, but they have expired

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

I assume the Thai Embassy issued the ETD's.

If they were stamped into the country on the ETD they would show it along with their Thai passports on departure.

Yes. The Thai Embassy in London issued the ETD's, but their current Thai passports have expired. I assume I will need to get them new Thai passports to leave the country. Unfortunately I am not in Thailand at the moment and I have to sign to say they can have new passports apparently

When my sons first arrived in Thailand we were given emergency travel documents to fly over from the UK (They didn't have Thai passports only British).

Now they are leaving, will they be required to show the original documents shown when entering (they have not been out of the country since) i.e. emergency travel documents, or should they show their latest Thai passport (with no stamps in) or both? They will have/never have had a visa in their passports, though I believe immigration want to see when and how they arrived in Thailand as they have dual nationality.

Any help would be appreciated

Ceers

Out of interest i thought I would show you this email from the passport office too. As you can see there is no mention of changing the UK name by deed poll, though it does mention proof from th eother country. This is why I have asked the British Embassy to supply me with information about where this evidence is available as they seem to know it. The bottom part about "own merit" is frightening in the extreme. Too many variables that could go again'st you

Thank you for your enquiry regarding your son's passport.
 

Customers who hold a foreign passport in a name which differs to the British Passport application must align this before applying for their UK passport.

HMPO is aware that this may not be possible for citizens of some countries due to laws prohibiting changes of name.

You should submit evidence from the authorities of the relevant country to confirm the name on the foreign passport cannot be changed.

If no such letter can be provided, you should set this out in writing and HM Passport office will consider each case on its own merits.
 

Thank you,
 

Customer Service E-Mail Team

Here is a reply I have had off the British Embassy in BKK. I have asked them where I can find the rule that states this about the middle names as I was asked to supply this for the passport office, and have not been able to get anybody to point me to this rule/law

Dear Mr Neil,

Thank you for contacting consular section at British embassy Bangkok dating 3 March 2018.

Further to your email, for Thai people you are only allow to have one middle name. since the name on UK birth certificate have two middle names. It would cause him the difficulty in confirm his identity. You may consider change the name by deed poll. This is because one person supposed to have the same name no matter wherever they live. If your son going to travel to the UK he will also need to Thai passport in order to leave the country. And if the name not match he won’t be able to leave the country.

I’m really sorry but the only solution that you have at the moment is to change your son name.

Yours Sincerely,

Vee

here is an update. i am going to have to change his name in the UK by deed poll. Luckily this is not as complicated as I first thought as it does not have to be an enrolled deed poll for a passport.

However. It now transpires that as my son's Thai passport has run out, they will not give him a new passport unless I am there to sign. There is (apparently) a consent form I can send (there is mention of it on the TMFO website with a clickable link that does nothing), but I am having no luck tracking that down, and I am unsure if it can be notorized (as requested) in the UK or whether that has to be done in Thailand. This I will need to do for both of my sons, so I am hoping the one form will suffice.

If anybody has experience of this I would be grateful for any pointers

Just looking at the deed poll application. This also becomes complex as I am in the Uk and the wife is in Thailand, but we both need to have documents signed by a solicitor and have witnesses for the forms. This could take me months to organise

Nightmare

On 3/1/2018 at 4:01 AM, OJAS said:

In that case, I would strongly suggest that you set out the issues with which you are faced by completing the HMPO enquiry form referred to in the link which I posted in #47 above. Far better, I think, to get a definitive view from HMPO on this point in writing, rather than relying on what they tell you over a crackly phone line from the UK.

 

However, if HMPO, for their inscrutable reasons, stand their ground on this issue, then the only course of action which would appear to be open to you would be to seek a formal renouncement of your son's middle name(s) in the UK by following the procedure set out at https://www.gov.uk/change-name-deed-poll/change-a-childs-name. I quite accept that you and your son's mother would almost certainly view such a course of action as unpalatable in principle - quite apart from the considerable effort and expense to which you would be put in achieving it - but I fear that this might prove to be the only way of meeting but one of a number of pointlessly stupid bureaucratic requirements which HMPO have chosen to inflict on those renewing their UK passports from Thailand in recent times.

Thank you very much for this. I have sent off the enquiery form and I am looking into the deep poll suggestion. It real;y is beyond belief that I may need to change his name to simply get him back into the country, when his British passport has his full name. We are already supplying proof of ID through a counter signature, and can supply photos of him growing up and changing appearance etc. It is even further beyond belief that the Thai authorities will not simply give us a letter stating the rules that will not allow us to change his name on the Thai documents. Do they even have such a thing as deed poll in Thailand? After all people seem to change their names in Thailand and even my wife does not have the name she was born with

2 hours ago, OJAS said:

I therefore find it puzzling as to how you managed to get your son's middle name included in his British passport, bearing in mind that the certified English translation of his birth certificate which you presumably had to provide in support of the application you made on his behalf didn't include it either, I take it!

This was because we had a British birth certificate as my son was born in the UK. Therefore no translation was necessary. The complication has arisen (I believe) because they refused to put 2 middle names on the Thai certificate. They have now refused to alter his tabien baan at the Ampur so I have to write a letter to the passport office explaining all this with no confirmation from the Ampur or the Thai passport office as they will not write letters stating that they have refused to amend anything or even confirm that the Thai rules are not letting them alter his passport or tabian baan

2 hours ago, samran said:

My Thai passport has my two middle names on it. It reflects what is written on my Thai birth certificate and Thai ID card. 

When we did the birth certificate for my son they would not let me put 2 middle names on the certificate. They made me choose 1. As we used the birth certificate for his Thai passport, perhaps that was where things got messed up 

13 hours ago, nellyp said:

I rang them up yesterday. they said I would need a letter from the Thai Embassy or Passport office stating that it is the truth that the passport office would not put 2 middle names on the passport. Looks like this is going to get complicated

 

Embassy will not give me a letter and said passport office won' to either. I have to change the name on the tabian ban and get a new passport. No idea how British passport office will look at all this. I have to show all passports. Now he will have 2 Thai passports with different names 

57 minutes ago, OJAS said:

Might be worth your while seeking clarification from HMPO in the UK on this point.

Contact info is here: https://www.gov.uk/passport-advice-line

I rang them up yesterday. they said I would need a letter from the Thai Embassy or Passport office stating that it is the truth that the passport office would not put 2 middle names on the passport. Looks like this is going to get complicated

My son's name on his Uk passport has 2 middle names, but the Thai passport only allows for 1. Do you think this will be a problem? As his British birth certificate shows 2 middle names I do not see how I can alter that, and it seems impossible to get his Thai passport altered as they do not allow the 2 middle names.