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What is the source of this news article?

The original post has the TAN logo on it, but this story can't be found on the TAN website or any other news site....?

http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/tan/ViewData...?DataID=1026349

OMG. If I had any doubts about this guys mental state. I don't now. Even the most intellectually challenged Red Shirts would be asking questions now.

Well excepting those showing such moral courage to deviate

from the obvious truth of the matter...

Everyone make up a story to justify their cause.

So basically lets look at the facts , if that still count in that forum

Thaksin in September 2006 was the PM of Thailand appointed by HM the King of Thailand .

Caretaker PM , alright , but legally PM nonetheless am i right ?

So the legal PM was removed by a military coup ? it was a Monday if i recall .

Question : Is it legal to remove a PM through a military coup ???? Yes or No .

PS : Dont give me please your opinion on Thaksin for once , just please answer if legal or not

http://www.sfchron.com/cgi-bin/blogs/world...p;entry_id=4118

The heart of the non Thaksin oriented Red Shirt movement is communistic. Jakrpop, Sae Daeng, Ungkaporn, Surachai, all communists and most with a belief that it will require a violent overtthrow of the "aristocracy" to achieve their aims. They seem to be coming to a parting of the ways with Thaksin's 3 clowns and far from this movement coming to a close, it could very well morph into something much more dangerous. Not saying it's good or bad for Thailand, but I'd have to imagine its probaly not going to be too good for foreigners.

The three buddies have indeed denounced these people for being critical of the peasant movement. That may mean a real split or a split of convenience as those advocating direct action are about to take a lead and the three buddies group are distancing. We will see. However, it must be said that secular leftists are not likely to think all the cultish stuff is the way to go in poltitical struggle.

By the way Sae Daeng shouldnt be regarded as a communist. The other three Jakrapob, Surachai, Giles are leftists and seemingly united. Sae Daeng and a few others are in a group more likley advocating direct action but of a non-communist nature.

I drew that inference from the fact that he is calling for Jakropob to take over leadership of the movement and there's no question which way Jakropob leans.

The heart of the non Thaksin oriented Red Shirt movement is communistic. Jakrpop, Sae Daeng, Ungkaporn, Surachai, all communists and most with a belief that it will require a violent overtthrow of the "aristocracy" to achieve their aims. They seem to be coming to a parting of the ways with Thaksin's 3 clowns and far from this movement coming to a close, it could very well morph into something much more dangerous. Not saying it's good or bad for Thailand, but I'd have to imagine its probaly not going to be too good for foreigners.

Of course this is again a very sloppy translation of what he really said. We all know however that abhisit is not at all in charge. He is just the concierge or the bellboy. The real man in charge is Suthep. Given the fact that Suthep,the yellow shirts and their leaders have compared Thaksin numerous times with Hitler and how Hitler came to power there should be a little bit more evenhanded comments.

At least Thaksin came to power legitimate, the abhisit government came to power because of the army and people close to the highest circles.

Suthep orates about how he will easily win the elections but he does not take action, knowing that he is in power and taking lots of commissions without the support of at least 60% of the Thai population. Thaksin at least dared to call for new elections during the height of the yellow shirt demonstrations.

The reason Suthep did not take part was because he knew just like now that he would lose again. Suthep is a dictator, Thaksin is not.

The homosexual comment is taken fully out of context. But who cares? Someone writes something down in a forum and everybody takes it for the truth.

Finally someone who has the moral courage not to be a copycat of the overwhelming trend in this forum !!!!

Sometimes once in a while i like to see balanced comments instead of hate mongering .

Thats how one forms his own opinion usually

Heil !

Ok, again, so which parts of this translation are incorrect? I didn't see the original broadcast and would really like to know. TIA

http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/tan/ViewData...?DataID=1026349

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Hitler ?<br /><br />Next demo in Bangkok .<br /><br /><font size="6">BLACK SHIRTS</font> <br /><br /> <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

<br /><br />Not black, they wear Brown<br />

<br /><br /><br />Black would do.....but I think Hitler is associated with the Brown Shirts.<br />

More like the Black Knight than the Black Shirts:

http://www.linustechtips.com/wp-content/up...lack-knight.bmp

The homosexual comment is taken fully out of context. But who cares? Someone writes something down in a forum and everybody takes it for the truth.

In the interests of accuracy and to stop my uncontrollable laughter induced hiccups, could you please provide the proper translation and context? TIA

<br />The only way democracy would work in Thailand is if all Thais voting had to write an essay explaining exactly why they chose the candidate they did. Then, they could be graded by the judiciary, and any answers such as "because everyone else says my life was better with Thaksin and I like demagogues" could be given an F and discarded. <br /><br />I don't necessarily think that not having an education means you aren't entitled to an opinion. However, democracy requires that people think independently. When you have a cult like the red shirts the whole concept of democracy simply becomes a sham. There needs to be some mechanism of qualifying the vote, and those who don't have the capability of understanding the consequences of their actions should be silently disregarded.<br /><br />Some people seem fond of saying that letting the wealthy Bangkokians decide isn't fair to the poor, but they have no better options. Treating the vote of someone who is easily manipulated equivalent to someone who understands the consequences of what they are doing is far from fair also. Democracy only works in very limited circumstances. Those circumstances simply do not exist in Thailand. An absolute monarchy would be much more appropriate for this country.<br />

Presumably, those who would suffer from the votes of those you describe should be motivated to change their outlook, through education and action on their behalf. That would be the smartest thing to do don't you think?

<br />the government bribed people to leave the rally???<br /><br />how about the the money thaksin paid the protesters to show up?<br /><br />without HIS bribes no one would have shown up in the first place anyway.<br /><br />he's just proven once more that he's a loser. bye bye thaksin <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /><br />

What's Really hilarious about these allegations, and what hasn't seemingly registered with anyone yet, is if the govt were bribing people to leave, Thaksin would be broadcasting to no one.

I think the last guy to use that pic as an avatar was banned.

Oops Neverdie probably forgot it is called THENATIONthaivisa now

Ohhh crikey, thats right, wait right there i will be back with a new avatar

You can have mine if you want.

Do Thai elementary and secondary schools have "Civics" classes, which describe how their government functions and what the individual citizen's responsibility in a democracy is?

has been tried in the west, didn't work.

I don't know. I had it in school and understand the workings of government, balance of powers and how legislation is proposed and passed from it. Seems to me it should be a required part of the curriculum.

Do Thai elementary and secondary schools have "Civics" classes, which describe how their government functions and what the individual citizen's responsibility in a democracy is?

This blood ritual can be spun any which way in the press. I think it would be a mistake to assume all or even most Thais would find it outrageous and a sympathetic foreign correspondent could twist its import and symbology any way that suits their interest.

^ Abhisit lacks a moral mandate to govern the country. That's why they are protesting. He should call an election now.

Exactly, if a spade was called a spade in Thailand, the Democrates would have been dissolved by now clearing the way for an election. If the cycle continued for the next 50 years then maybe, just maybe the electorate might get an idea that the wealthier elite controlling the Election Commission are not going to accept any form of vote buying. In that case, after generations of it being accepted country-wide might just sink in!

Abhisit lacks the moral mandate to govern the country BECAUSE all other competing parties big enough to form a government were removed by the judicial process. So what do we have. We have a Judical Government, NOT a government of the people.

If Consitution writers had any sense, they would allow for re-election if any more than 20% of MP votes in Parliament were removed by the Election Commission. Therefor allowing for the electorate to still have a say in governance. The people who voted for PPP do not have a say, that is why they are so so so so so so very pissed off............ huMANnatURE

You seem to have a real problem accepting the decrees of Thai courts. Deadbeat mentality. Anyhow the judicial process IS in keeping with the Thai constitution, just as it was in America when the court ended that electoral stalemate. Laws, rules, statutes. process, that's what a government is.

Deadbeats hit children, and that could become very problematic! You have missed out a point here! Let's see what your statement says:

Laws, rules, Statues, Coup detat, process, that's what a government is! For which is calling a spade a spade in Thailand. DB

The coup led to an election that saw a Thaksin backed government installed. There is no link between the coup and the current government, no matter how many times one might proclaim it.

Hats off to the government they have said people have the right to protest peacefully and it seems have let them do so, with out incident so far.

Hats off to the majority of the normal folk who make up the majority of the UDD support, if you were to read the press reports and opinions any one would have thought WW11 was going to happen.

Although I suppose it is still early days.

I read an article a while back that suggests that there is split in the UDD (Thatskin) camp, one group it was suggested who wanted to move away from the Thatskin personality politics and emphasize more broad democratic reform, the other group who were basically benefiting politically, and financially through their association with the former premier.

The latter of these two groups need to be watered down and many replaced then I believe the Reds can move forward.

There are several factions within the UDD. There are even multiple "pro Thaksin" factions. Other factions include the communists, and others who are purely "pro democracy", which despite rhetoric is not a concern of the pro Thaksin factions.

Getting back to the OP, I do commend the Army reps for meeting with the group, diffusing a potentially hostile situation borne of the Red shirt leaders fiery rhetoric. They showed composure, concern, calm auhority, maturity. What a refreshing change from the politics of "face", "ego" and brinksmanship. Maybe a corner has been turned in this institution. Time will tell.

Rational people wouldn't want a movement like this to run their country. Thailand may be more rational than you think.

The score so far -

Asean Summit - Thaksin

Black Songkran - Abhisit

100K Man March - Abhisit

When is the game over? Please, make it be over!

Missed:

Sept 19 aniversary march to topple gov. - Abhisit

Grand misapplied petition - Abhisit

ASEAN Sumit redux - Abhsit

Turned around economy freefall - Abhisit / Korn

Attended international summits and returned un-deposed - Abhisit

No observable incidents of mental faculties failing publicly - Abhisit

Thanks for that. Excellent list. I think Abhisit ought to get double bonus points for this current 100K red man march, considering it was supposed to be the FINAL SHOWDOWN. Come on, now, this should be OVER now. Who can call it?

It's not over, not by a long shot. These peope have one great advantage in that their cause of social justice is worthy. They WILL need to coalesce their factions. They WILL need new leadership. They WILL need to incorporate some acadenics and professionals from the middle class, but I'm confident, in time, those things will come about.

In my opinion Abhisit has championed the stated golas of this movement better than any leader has. He needs to get that message out, open dialouge, and do more still. I think he is bright enough and possess enough energy and will to do just that. I hope they give him the opportunity to try.

All you drama queens go back and read the original post. It doesn't say that they're going to play Songkran with blood. They're pouring the blood at the gates to government house and at Abhisit's house which is in Sukhumvit Soi 31. They're not throwing it at expats and tourists along Sukhumvit street. So basically, if you don't want to get infected with HIV, don't stand at the gate of government house or Abhisit's house ..and also start using rubbers during intercourse with street hookers, which is the more likely place you're going to catch HIV than from the red shirt protesters.

Well, it will be good for the gardens anyway.

There are too many threads on this topic. Every time a Red Shirt throws a feces, or evertime Thaksin tells another lie (where he is , etc. ad infinitum), there's a new thread. Too much monkey business.

Agreed. Maybe get rid of half through consolidation might be a good idea.

What a joke. I'm quite sure too that he's still in Dubai. First he was allegedly thrown out of Dubai, then he was supposed to have arrived in Cambodia. A few hours later the government said he joined his daughters in Germany and when the German ambassador said that he couldn't enter Germany since last year because of a visa violation, he was suddenly in Switzerland. Now, he's supposed to be in Montenegro, spotted eating cakes and drinking coffee.

If it's true he never went to Cambodia and if it's true that he has not been asked to leave Dubai, it may be an oppotunity for Abhisit to reshuffle FM Kasit out of his cabinet. He is one of the few embarassments (among Democrats) of this administration and I think it would be a nice concilliatory gesture towards the Red Shirted people.

Yes. yes, of course, Reuters, the Economist. the London Times, the Straits Times and most of the mainstream press are hopelessly biased.

I think that's right. Most all give a corporatist, globalist slant and were very strong advocates of Thaksin when he first burst on the scene. Whether they haven't really checked back since, or support the spin that furthers their own globalist agendas is anyone's guess.

As a 'rich' farang, of course you'll be expected to buy a bigger, better house to save the families face.

You will also be expected to provide something similar for the parents. Why else would they want a farang son-in-law?

Having said that, you could be the unusual case who's met their wife outside of Pattaya/Phuket etc. (and certainly not in a bar!), in which case the circumstances are different.

I would think just the opposite. More likely, as an "important" local person he may offer something quite nice to his daughter and her intended.

I'll continue to offer it because that's how it's done. Yeah, forget about teaching them how to fish, just pass out more fish... heck, buy as many fish on credit as you possibly can!

OK then teach them, offer guidance and a real educational educational system. Not just obvious platitudes on the value of hard work -- from someone who obviously had benefits the poor of Thailand never had.

And that is just what Abhisit's policies are intended to do. It won't happen this weekend, but it will happen. Abhisit is one of the few elected leaders ever, that I would describe as a champion of the "Red" peoples cause. Ironic isn't it?

^ Abhisit lacks a moral mandate to govern the country. That's why they are protesting. He should call an election now.

Exactly, if a spade was called a spade in Thailand, the Democrates would have been dissolved by now clearing the way for an election. If the cycle continued for the next 50 years then maybe, just maybe the electorate might get an idea that the wealthier elite controlling the Election Commission are not going to accept any form of vote buying. In that case, after generations of it being accepted country-wide might just sink in!

Abhisit lacks the moral mandate to govern the country BECAUSE all other competing parties big enough to form a government were removed by the judicial process. So what do we have. We have a Judical Government, NOT a government of the people.

If Consitution writers had any sense, they would allow for re-election if any more than 20% of MP votes in Parliament were removed by the Election Commission. Therefor allowing for the electorate to still have a say in governance. The people who voted for PPP do not have a say, that is why they are so so so so so so very pissed off............ huMANnatURE

You seem to have a real problem accepting the decrees of Thai courts. Deadbeat mentality. Anyhow the judicial process IS in keeping with the Thai constitution, just as it was in America when the court ended that electoral stalemate. Laws, rules, statutes. process, that's what a government is.

Violence might not be in the minds of some, but it surely is in the minds of some others...

I think that's a correct assessment.The military has murderous form as we know from the way violence was inflicted on peaceful demonstrations in the past, for example in 1992.The good news is that Abhisit seems to be able to hold army thuggery in check, and I think also Anupong knows violence would be very counter productive to elite interests.Fingers crossed and of course the reds should avoid unnecessary provocation.

And what would you define as necessary provocation?

Throwing stuff at the security forces, listening to Coldplay on their ipods...that sort of thing.

OK, for the record. The Reds want to go inside the 11th regiment to deliver some sort of letter. If denied access would storming the barracks be a necessary or an unnecessary provocation?

Violence might not be in the minds of some, but it surely is in the minds of some others...

I think that's a correct assessment.The military has murderous form as we know from the way violence was inflicted on peaceful demonstrations in the past, for example in 1992.The good news is that Abhisit seems to be able to hold army thuggery in check, and I think also Anupong knows violence would be very counter productive to elite interests.Fingers crossed and of course the reds should avoid unnecessary provocation.

And what would you define as necessary provocation?