lannarebirth
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Not found all murdered bodies to steal ??
Oh sorry, too many yellow shirted farangs here...
Be happy, kids, it is NOT over..
Every time i hear or read something silly like this just makes me laugh. We are not yellow, red, blue, polka dot shirted or anything like that. And i personally do think that Abhisit lost a great opportunity to unify the country when he did not arrest and prosecute the Yellow leaders when he came to power. Central World might still be standing today if he did.
But to seriously claim that the Reds have some kind of moral superiority over the "urban elite" is meaningless at best and stupid at worst.
I do recognize a gaping disparity between the rich and the poor in this country. The opportunities, the social mobility, access to social services, education, medical care, etc. are all real and valid problems. And a long line of successive governments did precious little about them, that's includes the governments led by mr T. His "populist" programs amounted to quick cash or easy loan dispersals without really addressing the causes of the problems. Most of that money was quickly spent on consumer goods instead of being invested into something that would bring long term returns, like better education, better infrastructure, adult retraining programs, etc., which cost much more than a few hundred baht per person. But those give-aways were never meant to solve the real problems, it was psudo-populism and just another way to buy votes, which it did splendidly, to the point of elevating Mr T to some kind of folk hero. I find it very similar to the totally phony image that W. Bush created of himself as a Texas rancher. The guy grew up in a mansion in the privileged North East, he's no cowboy. Just like Mr. T is no Robin Hood. That picture of him with his daughter shopping in Paris while his followers were killing and dying rests my case very nicely.
By the way, the current government was quietly establishing the programs needed for the long term solutions. That's what happens when you put people with an understanding of what good public policy is in power. You should listen to Korn address the current government's economic vision. You'll be very surprised to find that they are doing more for the development of the North-East than Thaksin ever did.
Anyway, the hypocrisy aside let's review what the latest madness has accomplished, shall we? The Reds came in with some legitimate demands I've already mentioned: closing the gap between the rich and the poor, better investment and services for a large proportion of the population. All valid concerns. Then there was the half-baked notion that Abhisit's government was illegitimate. Anybody who bothered to read the currently active constitution (yours truly) could see it was a load of bs. Abhisit came to power through a parlamentary procedure that had to be invoked in order to preserve the continuity of the government. That's how complex things like a government work. He was elected by the duly elected representatives of the people. Regardless how one feels about the removal of Thaksin, the current government is legit according to the current constitution. But never mind.
So the demonstrations are on and the formal demand is for the government to go and the new elections to be set soon thereafter. I don't know of any democracy where this kind of coup by mob would be tolerated for any length of time. But this is Thailand and the government wanted to take the soft approach to the protesters. For weeks the demonstrators were given the opportunity to present their case and exercise their right to free speech. That's how a free society works everybody has a right to speak their mind. But everybody else has the right to ignore what one says. Both rights must be respected equally. So after a few weeks of speeches, heart shaped clappers, and the like the rest of Thai people just didn't give a hoot and went about their business.
And this is where the funny things started to happen. The Red leaders decided that they are going to force the rest of their fellow citizens to really listen to what they have to say, by force if necessary. So they moved into the center of Bangkok and started hijacking buses, invading hospitals and TV stations and pretty much doing whatever they wanted, mob style. It's like a little kid throwing a tantrum because nobody wants to listen to him.
I find it extremely ironic that the very people who have undertaken this endeavor to ostensibly protect democracy were so eager to break all of its precepts. Forcing the majority to do what the minority wants by force is not a democracy, it's a dictatorship. I remember reading about a Thai reporter who went into the protest site and was asking the rank and file protesters about what they wanted. The response was always "we want elections now". But when they were asked who they would vote for the reporter was faced with confused stares. To any thinking person this would trigger a suspicion that something is not right here.
These suspicions were confirmed when Abhisit came back with his peace road map essentially meeting all of the protesters' demands and the Red leaders changed their demands from their lofty goals of democracy and social justice to insisting that one guy would turn himself to police (even though he had parliamentary immunity) and that the Red leaders would receive the same lenient treatment in custody. One might ask, <deleted>.
The only explanation that fits the facts is that it was not about democracy, it was not about social justice, it was not about the better education. It was an intentional effort to destabilize the country. Just like Deep Throat once said: "Follow the money". Setting up the logistics for the mob of thousands for over 2 months must have cost a fortune. I'm pretty sure that no Isaan Pooyai has that kind of coin. And i don't buy for a second that it was a spontaneous movement by the people spending their life savings to fight for the equal rights. Somebody was picking up the tab and doing it with some purpose in mind.
What that purpose was will remain unclear for some time to come. But the results are painfully clear. Maybe it was the case of some brainwashed fanatics getting their hands on the assault rifles and grenades and going on the killing spree. But the length, organization level, and deliberate nature of the most recent events leads me to conclude that it was planned and orchestrated. Which should make every person who cares and loves Thailand regardless of the color of the shirt to ask themselves if they really support and want to associate themselves with any movement who brainwashes their followers into thinking that their voice and their demands are somehow more important than that of their polictical opponents and that they have a right to force those who disagree with them into submission by violence.
It is clear to see that most of the current Red leaders don't understand what democracy is, lack the vision to advance their cause in any meaningful way, and are devoid of integrity to actually serve their followers rather than the guy who pays the tab. As it stands right now the Red movement in its current incarnation stands discredited as an out of control, blood and destruction hungry mob. Whatever legitimate concerns they had are completely overshadowed by the images for the last few weeks. Nobody can negotiate with people like that.
So I hope and i prey that a new leader will soon emerge on the red side who will be able to unite the disjointed movement and who will be able to sit at the adults table and champion the grievances of his constituency in a meaningful and productive way. That is the only way this will get solved.
There's not going to be a new social justice/ pro democracy leader on the Red side. If they get new leadership it will either be in the same pro rural feudalist vein or it will be communist. I don't think it will be communist so if it happens it will be more of the same. I don't think it happens. The intention of the rallies was not to create social justice, promote democracy, create opportunity etc., it was to thwart Abhisit's progressive policies. His welfare state policies ar like kryptonite to rural puyai, as the money that flows to the provinces is more directly targeted to end recipients and there is accountability of where funds have gone built into the legislation. The rural merchant/poliical class has in the past siphoned off huge amounts of these funds coming from Bangkok and they have cemented their patron status over their local peasantry. In return for these funds they deliver voting bocks. That was how Thaksin came to power. He delivered them the money with no strings and they delivered him the votes, usually purchased. That's going to be changing and no entrenched interest likes change.
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Thaksin just gave a phone interview to Australian ABC Lateline program. See it here. Not many surprises, I am peaceful, dam_n the iron fisted government, poor civilians slaughtered by jackbooted government thugs blah blah.
Most cheeky, he acknowledges that the burning of Central World was planned in advance, but of course, not by the red shirts. Government set up you know.
I think that interview may come back to haunt Thaksin. He concedes the fires at CW were pre-meditated and then goes on to say they were set by the goverment. There have been anecdotal accounts of red shirts placing accelerants and throwing grenades in to set off the fire. I also believe due to its proximity to the red shirt stage that it would be very unlikely the government could get in their pre breakup of rally. I'm not sure but I think I read the fire either occured simultaneously with the dispersal or maybe evn started before. Anyone confirm?
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BANGKOK — Thailand's Parliament angrily debated the government's handling of protests and violence and the ongoing curfew Wednesday, as thousands of citizens joined Buddhist monks in a mass prayer for peace.
Opposition lawmakers kept Parliament from focusing on next year's budget as they hurled insults and accusations at the government of Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, calling him insincere and questioning his decision to put the capital and other areas under a nighttime curfew.
"The curfew has caused many problems for many people. Many people make their living at night. But now these businesses have to lose their incomes because of this," said Surapong Tovichakchaikul, an opposition member from Chiang Mai, a northern city where support is strong for the Red Shirt protesters who led the demonstrations in Bangkok.
The curfew in the capital and 23 provinces is to remain in effect through Friday.
"Up until now, almost 100 people have died. Can you continue reading the budget and balance sheets like that? Do you have any feelings?" Surapong said.
The opposition has threatened to seek impeachment or censure of Abhisit and his top ministers, and debate over those moves is expected to take place next week.
On Tuesday, Thai authorities issued an arrest warrant for ousted Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra on charges of terrorism, alleging he was a key force behind the deadly street protests.
Thaksin, who lives in self-imposed exile but is widely supported among the Red Shirts, responded that the government should be ashamed of itself for its handling of the crisis that ended with a military crackdown last week. At least 88 people died in the crackdown and protest-related violence over two months.
Thaksin's lawyers on Wednesday requested the arrest warrant be revoked, and the court that issued it is considering the request.
The charges underscore the emotional rift between those who support Thaksin — mostly the rural poor and urban underclass — and the conservative establishment and many in the middle class who agreed with the 2006 military coup that ousted him.
The protesters who were bidding to bring down the Oxford-educated Abhisit accuse him of being elitist and coming to power through back-room deals and military meddling.
Thaksin fled abroad ahead of a corruption conviction. Previous attempts to extradite him have failed.
At dawn Wednesday, thousands of residents prayed for peace at sites across Bangkok where people were killed and high-rise buildings torched in the worst political violence in the country's modern history.
The chants of 1,000 Buddhist monks mingled with the prayers of Muslim imams, Christian priests and the Hindu faithful at 10 areas, including the charred hulk of one of Asia's largest shopping malls.
"We are reciting a very powerful prayer to summon the Lord to help our country. Things are quiet now, but there is fear still within us because none of us know what can happen in the future," said Sumitr Khorana, a Hindu community leader, reflecting a general anxiety that Thailand's turmoil is far from over.
In a sign that another dispute continues to be a flash point, two bombs hidden in motorcycles exploded Wednesday in a Muslim area of Thailand's south, killing two people and wounding 51, police said. A separate shooting left one more person dead.
Police said the motorcycles were parked outside a Mazda car showroom in the province of Yala. The first explosion shattered showroom windows and damaged the exterior of the building. Ten minutes later, another bomb went off as police officers were fencing off the crime scene.
Police and soldiers were among the injured, officials said. They did not have further details.
Muslim insurgents have previously targeted government workers in their separatist war in the region. More than 4,000 people have been killed since fighting erupted in 2004.
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Meltdown well under way.
The rich Elite are even split accorrding to reports.
If I were a paid for propaganda poster of thecurrent government, I would be worried that I could serve jail time.
If you were a paid for propaganda poster of say, Robert Ansterdam, would you get the same rate if you had to respond to your own post? That's a little bit like churning an account isn't it. Where are your ethics?
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Thaksin Shinawatra is an example of a pathological liar. He is a horrible role model. I mean has he ever told the truth in his life? He is the definition of evil, unsavory and just plain deceitful and greedy. When the world figures this out, which it will, the only place he will be welcome is some asteroid hurtling toward the sun.
The world already knows that and doesn't care particularly much. I think the world thinks most if not all leaders of developing countries are more or less the same. When his money starts running low so will the global welcomes.
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So to me there was a 'greenshoots' debate even on this thread that went on forever. To me, a 'bounce' or 'recovery' was signed sealed and delivered at the end of November. We then went into 'what's next phase?', we are probably still there, the market made further gains because the 'rebound'/recovery exceeded expectations (but still the question was whether it was a 'sustained recovery' or a 'strong rebound'.
There are many lead economic indicators but often the stockmarket is the best one. I think the answer to what is next is that we are heading back down.
Now to be clear on this, most economic numbers in general, imply otherwise - we are still in the exceeding expectations rather than falling short
. We still really see more momentum to recovery than a real downturn - particularly in the US and Japan.For instance, the USA looks the most robust on numbers but car sales have bounced to 11.5m annualized, that is not growth, it needs a lot more to get to 15m-16m it was before. Whether the US ends up in the austerity camp I have no idea but deficits aint going up.
SE Asia is simply peaking. The numbers will deteriorate unless the US recovery continues to maintain its momentum.
But why does the MSM only seem to emphasise " green shoots ", " stock market movements " , " car sales " ?
An attempt to brainswash the sheeple
.Let us remember USA relied on consumers ( 70% of GDP ) and those consumers were only active before the Crisis
because they used their homes as piggy banks. They spent because they felt wealthy.
But if you read this excellent explanation with easy to understand statistics its clear why its IMPOSSIBLE for the US housing
market to recover quickly ( they say 10 years ) and so without stimulus this current activity cannot last.
And why doesnt the MSM ever talk about this ?
Anyone Who Is Still Bullish On Housing Clearly Isn't Paying Attention To The Real Numbers
http://www.businessinsider.com/anyone-whos...5#ixzz0p0qNw4qd
Because the guy writing the copy and the guy reading the news more tha likely works for one of a half dozen multi-national media organizations and a large part of the remuneration he receives will be in the stock or stock options of that corporation. In this era where "everbody's in", there is absolutely no taste or market for realistic financial journalism. The delusion of crowds and the creation of financial manias is the worlds most profitable business.
yes.... just keep the sheeple focusing on one small spot and TPTB can get away with murder
Did you hear they are considering another new stimulus .....$ 5 Trillion this time.
There has to be another bigger " agenda " because nothing else would explain this lunacy
5 Trillion would get me bullish, though not on the dollar. Hey, quite by accident I stumbled on Parvis' "model".
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Samak also received bathing rights, as far as I recall...
And... What is the problem with Samak now?
It would help if you identified what your attempting to insinuate with the highlighting of that article...
sorry, i posted the news article for purpose to get informed, to add some content that consist of facts instead of ill-founded rumours, propaganda spin or lies.
but you speaks in riddles to me and it is unclear to me why you came up with Samak.
Playing dumb doesn't suit you. That is better left to the posters like "chantorn", who really have no other choice.
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Thaksin's lawyer to submit appeal against Thaksin's warrant
Phichit Chuenban, a lawyer of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, said Wednesday that he will submit an appeal against the Criminal Court's approval of terrorism arrest warrant against Thaksin.
Phichit said he will submit the appeal to the Criminal Court later Wednesday.
hahahaha.... the imprisoned pastry-box bribery lawyer is BACK! Thailand: Lawyers who formerly represented ousted prime minister Thaksin released from prison.
December 23, 2008
Thai News Services
Three lawyers hired by ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra were released from Bangkok Special Prison on December 22 after serving six months jail for contempt of court over the pastry-box bribery scandal, The Nation reports.
Phichit Chuenban and Thana Tansiri left the prison at 6am and got quickly into cars brought by their families to avoid throngs of reporters waiting to interview them.
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summa...86-36179737_ITM
Hopefully during his time spent in prison he has learned to not be so niggardly with the inducements.
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So to me there was a 'greenshoots' debate even on this thread that went on forever. To me, a 'bounce' or 'recovery' was signed sealed and delivered at the end of November. We then went into 'what's next phase?', we are probably still there, the market made further gains because the 'rebound'/recovery exceeded expectations (but still the question was whether it was a 'sustained recovery' or a 'strong rebound'.
There are many lead economic indicators but often the stockmarket is the best one. I think the answer to what is next is that we are heading back down.
Now to be clear on this, most economic numbers in general, imply otherwise - we are still in the exceeding expectations rather than falling short
. We still really see more momentum to recovery than a real downturn - particularly in the US and Japan.For instance, the USA looks the most robust on numbers but car sales have bounced to 11.5m annualized, that is not growth, it needs a lot more to get to 15m-16m it was before. Whether the US ends up in the austerity camp I have no idea but deficits aint going up.
SE Asia is simply peaking. The numbers will deteriorate unless the US recovery continues to maintain its momentum.
But why does the MSM only seem to emphasise " green shoots ", " stock market movements " , " car sales " ?
An attempt to brainswash the sheeple
.Let us remember USA relied on consumers ( 70% of GDP ) and those consumers were only active before the Crisis
because they used their homes as piggy banks. They spent because they felt wealthy.
But if you read this excellent explanation with easy to understand statistics its clear why its IMPOSSIBLE for the US housing
market to recover quickly ( they say 10 years ) and so without stimulus this current activity cannot last.
And why doesnt the MSM ever talk about this ?
Anyone Who Is Still Bullish On Housing Clearly Isn't Paying Attention To The Real Numbers
http://www.businessinsider.com/anyone-whos...5#ixzz0p0qNw4qd
Because the guy writing the copy and the guy reading the news more tha likely works for one of a half dozen multi-national media organizations and a large part of the remuneration he receives will be in the stock or stock options of that corporation. In this era where "everbody's in", there is absolutely no taste or market for realistic financial journalism. The delusion of crowds and the creation of financial manias is the worlds most profitable business.
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The tragedy is that we will not get accurate information for a long time to come, if ever. There is still a wide rift between the different factions and obviously also an eclatant lack of knowledge within the red masses. Example? I just came back from upnorth where some villagers still swear and discuss the fact of the murdered (by the Government) soldiers, who refused to shoot at red shirts. By now the story has been found out as another manipulative plot, using pictures of soldiers killed in the South while serving their country.
I've also read a discussion on another (Thai) forum who ended like this: <We aren't finished, we'll come back to Bangkok soon!> Answer: <We know, next time we'll be ready for you!>. I'm afraid we're in for a long, very long healing process.
Long process? No.
Mark say by September, everyone in Thailand will be a happy big family.
Election will be held 14-Nov-2010.
I've decided that there's no point discussing anything with someone that doesn't care how much credibility they have or how much they embarass themself. Ignored.
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Goodness, now that the Reds are dispersed, the Bangkok gov't and it's many journalist supporters are really going on the information warpath.
How many times do we have to say it? A few random Reds had possession of their own weapons, 99% did not. If an outsider would read this article or the many like it flooding the 'news' these days for the first time they would think the Reds were essentially a heartless, callous military.
Why would I believe any opinion or assertion by "Dr." Panitan Wattanayagorn or Colonel Sansorn would say? They are gov't right-hand-men with one-sided objectives.
Your post completely evades the warnings stated in advance (warnings to the government!) that stood as orders to the red shirt mob. They heard Nattuwut and they heard Arisaman. They heard Veera calling on them to burn down the counter corruption agency. They heard over and over the violent rhetoric from the leaders. They chose to stay after hearing calls for violence over and over from their leaders.
It is a kindness on the part of many people to say that they were forced into staying by the redshirt guards, or the possible repurcussions they would suffer if they returned home without redshirt approval. It is a kindness on the part of many that say they couldn't leave because they had to surrender their ID's to get paid. If they were NOT there 100% of their own free will then they get to deny involvement in premeditated terrorism.
If, on the other hand, they were there, like the reds on this forum say, voluntarily in all ways then they are ALL guilty of insurrection and supporting domestic terrorism on the behalf of Thaksin.
Time for the reds on the board to make a stand
I also heard a Brit calling on them to burn down and loot Central Plaza. I also heard an Oz Sniper on stage figting with the Red
So this 2 don't count, because they are farangs.
You're going to have to disappear for more than a week to have any chance of spinning this disaster back your way.
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^ I hope you reconsider your stand on no more posts in the political forum. You seem to be a thoughtful person with a considered opinion. Until you do post again may I recommend some reading up on the political history of this place you've chosen to make your home.
Regards
Here's some papers/books for your reading list which may put the current struggle in some perspective:
http://books.google.com/books?id=-gW9Z0-q_...p;q&f=false
http://www.asafas.kyoto-u.ac.jp/publicatio...602/454-470.pdf
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a2 + b2 = c2 is why your airplane finds its way home. You don't need to know that to fly home but I find it reassuring.
good to know that you are not a pilot
Pythagorean Theorem
Vertical, horizontal, or diagonal distance can be solved using Pythagoras distance formula, or what is called "Pythagorean theorem." The man who invented the distance formula based this on the dimensions of a right triangle or a 90 degree triangle. This triangle has three sides—the base, the height, and the hypotenuse, which is the diagonal side. If 2 sides have known dimensions the third unknown can be solved.
Thus, to solve the distance from one point to a standing structure, and the dimensions for the structure height and the hypotenuse are given, the distance can be calculated. The formula for this is C squared is equal to A squared plus B squared. According to the distance formula inventor, C is the value for the base, A is the value for the height, and B is the value for the hypotenuse side. The man who invented the distance formula figured any unknown value of this equation can be solved by merely manipulating or transposing the formula.
The Pythagorean Theorem is a vital formula in Geometry and Trigonometry. Architects, engineers, pilots, and seamen use it in their works. Pythagoras was said to have learned basic Geometry from the Egyptians—the famed Pyramid builders, Arithmetic from the Phoenicians, and Astronomy from the Babylonians. But his contribution to Geometry and Trigonometry was exemplary. In fact, Plato was so influenced by Pythagoras' ideas. Scores of other philosophers and scientists were likewise influenced by the distance formula inventor.
Think spherical trigonometry, not geometry.
Signed,
The Navigator
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Adverse to sarcasm? Some one must tell my wife
This isn't sarcasm but a sincere inquiry. In "American" english. The correct word to use here is "averse", which is a different word from "adverse", and has a different meaning. My question is, is averse used in "English" english and does it have the same meaning as adverse. I'm not denigrating your post as I see your usage frequently here. Just curious. TIA
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It is even easier to state the obvious after the fact Alex
Aaaaaaaaare you sjuuuuuuuuuuuuwah?
Do I have to rub that smelly sock in yur face again?
Now don't gloat Alex. The successful prognosticator will show a certain humility, otherwise it looks as though he is as surprised at his being correct as everyone else.
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- The Abhisit government has already, many months ago introduced overriding policy directives aimed at gaining a better sharing of the wealth, ensuring much better quality of education, a long-term plan to made Thailand a welfare society. Somehow very few of the so called journalists have even bothered to bring these facts back into the discussions.
The disparity in wealth is only part of the problem, but to the degree to which it is, there's an awkward fact for some that the efforts being made by the Dems referred to above would not have even been on the agenda without the impact of Thaksin.
You do not know that as fact. I think the globalised world and where Thailand is in its "developing nation" status has far more to do wih Dem policies. That and the "sustainable economy" pushed by the other institution. Thaksin made people angry and dependant. He neither educated them about democracy, nor did he create solutions for their sustaonable social and economic growth. I do agree he accelerated the program here and it remains to be seen if that will have been worth the strife he created.
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Im still using Fridays equity lows as key(natch).
I read people suggesting Stocks Market are 'at a crossroads', well they're always at a crossroads. Always ambiguous.
Ordo Ab Chao.
If strong hands have been stopped out, and I think they have, what do they need to want to become buyers again? They bought the lows last time, do you think they want to buy the highs this time. They'll take it to where there's a reasonable chance of a reasonable profit. 20% or greater correction is my guess.
No negative divergances in $USD this time, as there were in last years run. It's extended but looks like there may be more up in store.
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some people can't respond because they don't have the knowledge plus problems to form coherent sentences referring to specific questions. what they know is how to copy and paste or post links.
I would also like to point that I was only asking for a theoretical answer to a question. It doesnt neccessarily have to be practical or realistic. So for instance an economist asked how to get out of a 200m hole he has just fallen into can easily solve the problem theoretically because he will simply assume a large ladder.
I will answer the question, I forgot about this thread. If all the gold that a country is holding eventually runs out then they have a trade deficit problem. They would need to counter balance their imports with more exports so that they would not run out of gold.
Or an equivalent number of asses, goats, oxen and slaves. Ah, the wealth of nations.
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And whilst no one was watching, the Chinese familys who run this country, have won.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/ID27Ae01.html
Whom are we talking about precisely?
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I would call them the old feudalists. The feudal elite, people like the [Kasikorn Bank founders] Lamsam family, those types. They were beginning to see their power base decline slowly. When they saw Thaksin start intervening in areas that no politician [before] dared to intervene in, which included military reshuffles, they got even more scared.
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Why's that?
Well, because I can command the people. You see I have a different way of looking at things. Politically, I always believe that if I can get the middle classes all across the country to be on my side, the middle classes are the ones who suffer most, whose rights have been infringed upon, who have been taxed to the hilt, who haven't been given a chance or opportunity to get what they deserve.
Then here I came and they all came out because I represent them. Ninety percent of the middle class have Chinese blood. They look up at me and say, he is my man who dares to speak on my behalf. And I sincerely believe and still do that if we can organize this middle class well, arouse their political rights, telling them that they have rights as much as the elite have, it's time to get up and protect our rights, that is a threat.
So there was an ethnic-Chinese component to your anti-government rallies?
Of course. Their biggest mistake after kicking Thaksin out, instead of allying with me and agreeing with me that there is a need to reform the whole country, they look at me as a threat. So they cut me off.
Sorry to cut through all the BS, but i hoped and have finally given up on this website to provide me any more understanding of how this country REALLY works. Not a single word i have heard for the last 6 months on this chatroom has contributed a single titbit(except one phone call from a more esteemed member of this discussion room) to helping me really understand better how this country works . I am tired of waiting to find the links, innuendos and obvious statements that I believe are there. I am tired of hoping that someone here could provide me with something that I couldn't read in a newspaper.
This came out of the guys mouth 2 or 3 years ago and you all sit around and argue here and there about this and that whilst it is all in front of your faces if you just dig and remember what people say. And people wonder why his car was riddled with bullets?
We are in the middle of a Chinese turf war. Some people allied one way, some people allied another. Some people paid more, some people didn't pay enough. The last great piece to land, after a great man passes away.
I really hope people would have the time to actually read some book about SE Asia and understand why 75 to 90% of the wealth of SE Asia is in the hands of so few. It is because, under the guise of democracy they have made or bought slaves of the politicians and their constituents.
I was hoping that someone could read between all the lines of rubbish that I trawl though everyday, and no one has any insight.........................................................................
...... beyond Yellow sometimes good/sometimes bad/probably awful/minor terrorists/, red sometimes ok/good/probably awful/arsonists/worthy of shooting on sight.
Oh how simple minded we all are. Sondhi is probably laughing and rubbing his war wounds at us all.
And it took me 5 years of frustration and silence before I wrote this, so I don't expect the BBC to find it in a day.
Congratulations for putting some of the pieces together for yourself. I remember when that piece was published and of course it was discussed here. Things aren't really as black and white (red or yellow for that matter) as you describe but most everything can add to ones perspective. The irony of course is, Abhisit is more red than Thaksin and Thaksin is more yellow than Abhisit.
The irony of course is, Abhisit is more red than Thaksin and Thaksin is more yellow than Abhisit.Before I fall over myself with twisted legs, I think a statement like that deserves some clarification.
This is not a game of left or right wing, it is for the votes of the people, either bought or compelled.
This is why when the discussion is brought down to left or right wing it doesn't fit. A billionaire capitalist with a heart for the poor, an elitist educated politician trying to give tax payers money to the poor.
The only answer is to WIN and have POWER
I'm not sure if you lived here for the totality of the Thaksin regime but having "a heart for the poor" is certainly not how I would describe him. Even a lot of Thaksin supporters wouldn't be so bold as to proclaim that, though I know many would. I'm not sure why you call Abhisit elitist either as he has done more for the long term interests of the poor and against the interests of the monied elite than Thaksin ever did. As for your last sentance you can see for yourself who is in and who is out of power
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And whilst no one was watching, the Chinese familys who run this country, have won.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/ID27Ae01.html
Whom are we talking about precisely?
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I would call them the old feudalists. The feudal elite, people like the [Kasikorn Bank founders] Lamsam family, those types. They were beginning to see their power base decline slowly. When they saw Thaksin start intervening in areas that no politician [before] dared to intervene in, which included military reshuffles, they got even more scared.
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Why's that?
Well, because I can command the people. You see I have a different way of looking at things. Politically, I always believe that if I can get the middle classes all across the country to be on my side, the middle classes are the ones who suffer most, whose rights have been infringed upon, who have been taxed to the hilt, who haven't been given a chance or opportunity to get what they deserve.
Then here I came and they all came out because I represent them. Ninety percent of the middle class have Chinese blood. They look up at me and say, he is my man who dares to speak on my behalf. And I sincerely believe and still do that if we can organize this middle class well, arouse their political rights, telling them that they have rights as much as the elite have, it's time to get up and protect our rights, that is a threat.
So there was an ethnic-Chinese component to your anti-government rallies?
Of course. Their biggest mistake after kicking Thaksin out, instead of allying with me and agreeing with me that there is a need to reform the whole country, they look at me as a threat. So they cut me off.
Sorry to cut through all the BS, but i hoped and have finally given up on this website to provide me any more understanding of how this country REALLY works. Not a single word i have heard for the last 6 months on this chatroom has contributed a single titbit(except one phone call from a more esteemed member of this discussion room) to helping me really understand better how this country works . I am tired of waiting to find the links, innuendos and obvious statements that I believe are there. I am tired of hoping that someone here could provide me with something that I couldn't read in a newspaper.
This came out of the guys mouth 2 or 3 years ago and you all sit around and argue here and there about this and that whilst it is all in front of your faces if you just dig and remember what people say. And people wonder why his car was riddled with bullets?
We are in the middle of a Chinese turf war. Some people allied one way, some people allied another. Some people paid more, some people didn't pay enough. The last great piece to land, after a great man passes away.
I really hope people would have the time to actually read some book about SE Asia and understand why 75 to 90% of the wealth of SE Asia is in the hands of so few. It is because, under the guise of democracy they have made or bought slaves of the politicians and their constituents.
I was hoping that someone could read between all the lines of rubbish that I trawl though everyday, and no one has any insight.........................................................................
...... beyond Yellow sometimes good/sometimes bad/probably awful/minor terrorists/, red sometimes ok/good/probably awful/arsonists/worthy of shooting on sight.
Oh how simple minded we all are. Sondhi is probably laughing and rubbing his war wounds at us all.
And it took me 5 years of frustration and silence before I wrote this, so I don't expect the BBC to find it in a day.
Congratulations for putting some of the pieces together for yourself. I remember when that piece was published and of course it was discussed here. Things aren't really as black and white (red or yellow for that matter) as you describe but most everything can add to ones perspective. The irony of course is, Abhisit is more red than Thaksin and Thaksin is more yellow than Abhisit.
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You haven't really been telling us anything. Any time someone asks you to explain what the paln you mention is about you go silent. I hope you do choose to expand on the cryptic "plans" you've offered thus far. Now to the portion of your post I have highlighted. After the fires there is NO WAY the people of Bangkok will allow for the return of Thaksin, other than in an urn. He's crazy, but I think he's probably smart enough to realize that. If he continues with his fomenting of insurrection, that means to me he has a diffenet goal in mind rather than to return and rule (in person or defacto) over the whole of Thailand. That goal might be to create a division of the state as creating division is his chief characteristic. What then is the question. I just can't see that far. Personally,I think he has played his cards too soon and his bluff has been called. End of game or dam_n near.