dick dasterdly

17 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

When is the last time someone forced you to accept religion ?

When I felt strong enough to stand up for myself at the age of 15 (IIRC).

I'd spent the previous few years arguing about having to go to 'meetings' and 'assemblies' - but until then I hadn't felt brave enough to outright refuse.....

Sadly, I still have nightmares (even though it's nearly 50 years later.....) about the 'fight' ☹️.

On 4/15/2019 at 1:30 PM, Kwasaki said:

Yeah religions interesting subject so many but as said if some people find comfort " so be it " Amen.

 

I fit in as a sort of agnostic type not an atheist. 

 

Remember talking in a congenial way to a Jehovah witness and he said I would burn in Hell, well I said, seeing as I want to be cremated in my demise it don't really matter does it.  ????

Rubbish.  I was brought up as a Jehovah's Witness by my mother - and they don't believe in hell!

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

https://rebellion.earth/international-rebellion/

 

It's an international protest scheduled by the organisers to commence on the 15th of April and run over 'several days'.

 

 

 

My mistake as I don't follow much of the news nowadays.

Have other countries been affected by these protests?

I know France has recently had the news changed by the destruction of Notre Dame, when previously the population had been concerned about their politicians - but its probably coincedental that the news has also changed in brit. to 'protesters concerned about environmental change'.

I can't read the FT article, and the Greenpeace article points out that brit. fishing has also been sold out to big business?

What triggered this latest round of protesters?

Genuine question, as whilst I agree with them it came out of 'the blue'?

22 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"Enough evidence over the last few years to demonstrate the 'people' have changed their minds"

 

If that were true, brit. MPs would be pushing for another referendum.....  And yet they're not......

 

Edit - they're clearly not as confident as you ????.

15 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

You might ask yourself why? Could it be they're afraid of losing their seat, or even being deselected if they vote for a new referendum. 

 

All out for themselves...

Not sure of your point.

You agree that more than a few would likely lose their seats if they opted for another referendum?  Surely they wouldn't worry about this if (as stated in your post) -  "the 'people' have changed their minds"?

Having said this, I seem to recall that the eu passed a requirement that foods containing GMO products should be labelled as such?

Surely the same could apply to US products?

21 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You are inserting a conclusion based on your own points of view.

 

I understand you are impatient to have a discussion where you can defend your view of the agriculture sector and where you believe it should go. 

 

In the context of this discussion, the CAP and EU farming/food policy is very largely influenced by people wishing to protect traditional farming, traditional ways of life and their local farming communities. 

 

But it is also much more than that.

 

I, and many others, are partial to regional foods that are protected under EU regulations. The US has always had a problem with the EU's protection of 'Origin' designations. 

 

The US are absolutely bent on getting rid of these designations which they regard as protectionist. 

 

That has nothing to do with feeding billions and everything to do with

the CAP and EU farming/food policy is very largely influenced by people wishing to protect traditional farming, traditional ways of life and their local farming communities. 

 

I look forward to this future discussion when it arrises. 

 

"the CAP and EU farming/food policy is very largely influenced by people wishing to protect traditional farming, traditional ways of life and their local farming communities."

"That has nothing to do with feeding billions and everything to do with the balance between protecting local farming communities or protecting the profits of big business"

And yet, brit. farming has mostly (AFAIK) been sold to big business....

CAP was a good idea, handled very badly IMO.

On 4/12/2019 at 10:02 AM, dick dasterdly said:

As a child I used to hypnotise myself when going to bed and trying to get my head around the universe/time and the like (i.e. how can there be no beginning and no end).

 

I came to the conclusion that our brains aren't 'wired' to understand these things.

 

Having said this, I can recall reading an excellent book (unfortunately it was many decades ago, so I can't recall the name of the book), and also seeing an excellent TV programme that did make it more 'understandable'.

One of those things that very few will understand, as they were interested in their own 'kids' problems'....

19 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

So what should be put in place?

 

Goos 

55 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

With only these two options on the ballot paper you exclude the people who would prefer to remain over May’s or no deal. Doesn’t sound fair. 

And yet you think those who are looking for:

1) accept deal

2) remain

is ok???

Get over yourself....

21 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

With only these two options on the ballot paper you exclude the people who would prefer to remain over May’s or no deal. Doesn’t sound fair. 

Much like those that would prefer leave think:

1) Accept the eu/may deal

2) Remain

Complete joke,  but of course remaners will never accept this.....

5 minutes ago, tebee said:

The problem is that every argument for brexit is also an argument for Scottish independence 

If the Scots believ hey'd be better off wthin the eu, then fair enough.

Meanwhile, I have to deal witin viruses in my computer,  A bit odd as I rarely open unknown links....

28 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

I could not disagree with you more - the folly of Brexit will impact us all, but the palpable anger at it being foisted upon Scots is very real. Our leaders have been shut out of Brexit all along, but the sad fact is that this is very much about Scots as much as every other person in the UK.

I've no doubt you're right when it comes to the Scots- and yet again this topic is being turned into the Scots.....

31 minutes ago, car720 said:

Whatever would make you think that the Australian government has any interest in what happens to Australian people?

Especially Assange!

31 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

So what are you implying, that there is some kind of international conspiracy to flood Europe with immigrants? And who would be behind that? 

Very good question....

Certainly not those at the bottom of the pyramid.....

48 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Haven't a clue..but why should likes if heseltine etc get a nice bit of pay for not utilising his land..just to keep a " false high " on food prices
Just look at certain foreign countries like france for example.

 

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43 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Quite, CAP has worked for France -not so much for the uk, where it has resulted in big business taking over farms and being paid for doing nothing.....

22 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

So in your view, most of UK agriculture is run along the lines of Heseltine's enterprise?

Yes.

22 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

One wonders how this could have happened. A worker tossing a cigarette butt in the direction of a rag soaked in turpentine, or paint thinner? Igniting the entire wood scaffolding? Is something like that possible? It took 200 years to build, and 8 hours to destroy? If so, what would be an appropriate penalty for such an act?

Quite.

How did this horror happen?

15 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Let me clarify. The government is aiming to push through a Brexit that they don't know would be supported by a majority of the population in the UK. To assume that the referendum result was the only measure is not complete, IMO. Albeit, I do not see an alternative.

 

Which leads me reluctantly to support a peoples vote on May's deal, amended, and other options to ensure that is the preferred option, although I think that would be a cop-out by the government who would be abrogating their responsibility for running the Union.

 

 

 

Go away!

Even remainers know that the eu/may deal is the worst deal possible!!

But I do agree that another referendum is now needed as the uk parliament has ignored the vote of the first referendum and the result of the parties saying that their manifesto was to leave the eu ????.

The problem arise with the options on the 'next referendum'....  Remainers would prefer:

1) accept the eu/may deal or

2) withdraw the govt. article 51 act

whereas leavers would prefer:

1) accept the eu/may deal

2) leave immediately

41 minutes ago, neeray said:

I’ve seen my dog swim for an hour before touching terra firma. Don’t know how much longer she could do. 

But sure great to know that the rig workers care as much about dogs as some of us do. 

 

Sure, I know that some members think it would be better if Boonrod had become shark food. 

Quite.

I've no doubt that this dog - amongst many others - was dumped in the ocean as a 'buddhist, face-saving' way... 

Horrendous, but true.....

3 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Haven't a clue..but why should likes if heseltine etc get a nice bit of pay for not utilising his land..just to keep a " false high " on food prices
Just look at certain foreign countries like france for example.

 

Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

 

Quite, CAP has worked for France -not so much for the uk, where it has resulted in big business taking over farms and being paid for doing nothing.....

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

Do you also hope it wipes the floor with the UK? Because if Brexit happens, you think the Trump is not going to demand that the UK open its markets to cheaper US agricultural products?

I think I'm right in saying that at the moment food in the eu containing GMO products - need to be shown on the label as such?

10 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

The EU, even without UK is big and smart enough to hold their own. Remember we should thank them for protecting us from having to eat poorly regulated US rubbish food. Look at the obesity problem in the US, and the associated massive burden of obesity related diabetes on their health services, which is predicted to bankrupt our own health service in the next 20 years. Life expectancy in the US is the same as Cuba, and less than Chile. Three cheers for the French heroes who burnt down the first Macdonalds in France!

"Remember we should thank them for protecting us from having to eat poorly regulated US rubbish food."

Agree entirely.

The rest of your post is ignoring the fact that obesity and related problems are rising in many countries.