dick dasterdly

1 hour ago, cleopatra2 said:

There was no US extradition request when Assange sought refuge in the embassy skipping bail.

Obama decided not to pursue the leak .

41 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

So it was trump that decided to pursue Asssange?

37 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

The indictment is dated 2018 March

31 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

https://theintercept.com/2017/04/14/trumps-cia-director-pompeo-targeting-wikileaks-explicitly-threatens-speech-and-press-freedoms/

So it WAS trump that decided to pursue Assange?

54 minutes ago, evadgib said:

I haven't checked the entire thread but the Home Sec couldn't quite believe his ears when Abbot came out with this yesterday:

 

Here's an edited version inc his opening statement and subsequent reaction:

 

I'm sure he was horrified that someone would 'stick up' for Assange revealing atrocities carried out by govts.......  But, I agree with some of her comments.

42 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

There was no US extradition request when Assange sought refuge in the embassy skipping bail.

Obama decided not to pursue the leak .

So it was trump that decided to pursue Asssange?

"a narcissist who cannot get beyond his own selfish interests"

Clearly an unbiased judge! ????

12 hours ago, steven100 said:

but ...  there has to be an edge or a wall or something ....

nothing goes forever, there's no such thing as forever .......  it just ain't possible, it's not a true meaning ... forever is like, never stops ..... so it is really hard to think the darkness never ever stops.

As a child I used to hypnotise myself when going to bed and trying to get my head around the universe/time and the like (i.e. how can there be no beginning and no end).

I came to the conclusion that our brains aren't 'wired' to understand these things.

Having said this, I can recall reading an excellent book (unfortunately it was many decades ago, so I can't recall the name of the book), and also seeing an excellent TV programme that did make it more 'understandable'.

So it is now clear that Assange and his supporters were correct in saying that the US wanted him extradited to the US.  Something that was frequently denied by anti-Assange posters on previous threads.

As Assange himself said - told you so.

21 minutes ago, vogie said:

We have had our 'once in a lifetime referendum' on Brexit, our choice was to leave. If another referendum was put to the citizens of the UK, what makes you think that one would not be ignored also. How can anyone believe what comes out of MPs mouths anymore.

 

To be fair, if another referendum resulted in a remaIn result, MPs would fall over backwards to endorse it!

They're not at all sure at the moment, hence the hesitance whilst still playing games to pretend they support brexit - whilst voting in an entirely different manner....

34 minutes ago, david555 said:

So ...you did  read the fine print from the new extension already....?  It' is again  hidden in those strange wordings ….Even news papers are still deciphering .... ....some important decisions about the "good working" of the E.U. are only for the 27 to make ….

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2019/apr/11/the-eus-new-october-extension-finishes-off-may-and-her-deal   

Britain will remain in the EU until the end of October this year, but diminished in power and status, ....with a review of its conduct.... set for the end of June. It is the marital equivalent of being sent to sleep in the spare bedroom, if not quite the garden shed. 

Seems more than likely, but why on earth would the eu want the uk to take part in the next round of MEP elections?

Could this possibly hold the uk to the next round of eu budget commitments?

Genuine questions, as it makes no sense to me.

13 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The ‘elected representatives’ were elected on Leave manifestos, with promises to respect the referendum result. They all voted for Article 50 and the Withdrawal Act.
They won’t be coming back next GE.

We hope.....

1 minute ago, vogie said:

They called it a guillotine extension, if a deal is agreed????, it would be sooner, but we still have to go through the rigmarole of EU elections.????

If the uk has to elect MEPs, then I'm hoping that the result will give both the uk and eu politicians a bit of a fright!

21 minutes ago, Basil B said:

May has 3 options: accept whatever the EU offers today (or whenever their meeting finishes), No_Deal Brexit, or Revoke Article 50.

 

Given that the lasts meeting as I recall May spoke for 90 minutes, and they deliberated for 9 hours, I expect  this on to go on longer, with her waiting outside and being called back in for clarification from time to time. plenty of time to read "War and Peace".

And I'm betting that may will go for the first option ????!

4 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

Yes the timing around this brexit bs is little suspect, perhaps certain folks were tired of their names slammed online 24/7. But hey, it works well for the Chinese..

Quite.

24 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Well, I'm very sorry to report that it appears my prediction appears to have been accurate.

 

Bibi prevails. (Ugh.)

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/after-election-all-eyes-on-trump-to-respond-to-pms-annexation-gambit/

 

<<Headline plus two sentence subheadline plus first sentence included>>

 

 

A reason to dislike the Israelis for voting him into office again?

It's depressing that this saga is obviously going to last for decades, if not centuries.

28 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

The UK proposal "is a very bad look for a rights-respecting democracy," said R. David Edelman, a former White House technology adviser who now heads the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's project on technology, the economy and national security.

"It would place the UK toward the far end of the internet censorship spectrum."

 

very sad indeed...

I've no idea about Edelman - but I'm very concerned as to how this proposed new law will be enacted.

It could easily be used to stop free speech against those that disagree with the govt. - rather than the stated intention - to protect children.

6 hours ago, Tug said:

Negitave last year about this time it was all set Donald even had wall money then on Easter Sunday the very day we celebrate Jesus arising from the dead Donald comes out with his DACA is dead DACA is dead I will never forget as long as I live this slime ball attacking children on Easter Sunday never no it’s donalds utter incompetence driving this fiasco 

What on earth has the christian, easter belief to do with this?

13 minutes ago, Basil B said:

One recent mind change has been the conception that a bully is big muscular person who uses their fists to get their own way, now it is accepted there are many ways of bullying and RJM banging on May's door saying "do as I say or our gang is going to trash your beloved Tory Party" is one,

Don't be silly.

JRM was prepared to vote for the eu/may deal to 'hold the party together'.

Please don't misunderstand me, as I've no doubt JRM is as self-interested as all the other MPs - and he certainly doesn't want a collapse of the tory party.

21 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

You could pass a law forbidding anyone who wanted to remain in the EU or rejoin the EU from participating in any election too.

 

And any other neo-fascist discriminatory laws you fancy.

 

That would sort it!

You are seriously going to compare religious groups with secular groups???

28 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

She hasn't got the bottle to leave with no deal or revoke Article 50. She isn't a leader. She's always been weak and gone with the side with the most power.

 

Totally out of her depth, with a stubborn streak and lack of vision or imagination. She must rue the day she grabbed the job and called an unnecessary snap election.

Not at all.  I'm sure she'll be handsomely rewarded with directorships/consultancies etc. by big business in the future - in view of her sterling work preventing brexit....

Edit - Despite her stupid decision to immediately call another referendum, with crap policies that led to a tory 'defeat'.