dick dasterdly

16 minutes ago, Basil B said:

I suppose this guy could have done with an expert witness in his defence team...

 

Have to admit that I haven't bothered reading the article, but did the asleep victim wake up when he attacked her?  Of course she did.  Not to mention that he raped her after having sex with her flat mate.

How can you not realise this and try to confuse it with the Assange case??  How desperate do you have to be to conflate the two????

The swedish case against Assange is that he didn't use condoms when asked (and as a female I know very well that someone who refuses who to use condoms is not going to be 'entertained'), and yet she still had sex with him.

No indication of genuine rape according to uk law.

2 minutes ago, Basil B said:

No smoke without fire...

 

Anyway he has been found guilty...

pressum the reason he was not sentenced at Westminster Magistrates Court was the judge can only pass a maximum sentence of six months in a Magistrates Court and was minded for a longer sentence so to passed the crown court for sentencing. 

"Finding him guilty of that charge, District Judge Michael Snow said Assange's behaviour was "the behaviour of a narcissist who cannot get beyond his own selfish interest"."

I'd like to find this funny, but it just proves that the judge was anti-Assange in the first place.

Not that this matters, as we all know that judges are incapable of moving beyond their own bias.

It's only interesting in this case as the judge (on a 'bail jumping' case!!!) found it necessary to come up with "the behaviour of a narcissist who cannot get beyond his own selfish interest".".....

9 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

I've no doubt they did ????.

 

I can't be bothered to look it up again, but seem to recall that it all revolved around not using a condom, and although they'd had consensual sex previously, he 'raped' her whilst she was asleep?

 

I'm a female, and know full well that no-one could rape me whilst asleep....

5 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:

You've spoilt the storyline for an entire porn genre there - gay porn anyway

So you agree?

22 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

and the guy is POTUS !!!! what credibility does he has left if any.....

How did this thread turn into a trump thread??

I suppose possibly, 'cos he was the one that continued to pursue Assange?????

29 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

The Belmarsh court hearing the extradition request , determined that the Swedish charges did conform to crimes in UK law

Precisely which charges conformed with uk law?

23 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

The Belmarsh court hearing the extradition request , determined that the Swedish charges did conform to crimes in UK law

I've no doubt they did ????.

I can't be bothered to look it up again, but seem to recall that it all revolved around not using a condom, and although they'd had consensual sex previously, he 'raped' her whilst she was asleep?

I'm a female, and know full well that no-one could rape me whilst asleep....

7 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

So thats it,remainer May looks as if her and the other remainers will get their way,sold out by politicians yet again

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To look on the bright side, hopefully more than a few remainer MPs will lose their seats at the next GE, and more than a few brexit MEPs will be elected at the eu election of MEPS ????.

I'd add that the Swedish 'rape' charges are nothing of the sort in the uk.

Pointless discussion?

It's very clear now that the brit. authorities wasted millions pursuing Assange because they hated the truth revealed by Wikileaks.  Please don't try to pretend that it was because they were purely concerned that he had jumped bail....

Assange and his supporters have said from the beginning that it was all about getting him extradited to the US, and this has now proven to be true.

Those of us on opposing sides will never agree with each other, despite the truth now being made factual.

47 minutes ago, losworld said:

At this point it's all about using the mainstream media to smear Assange and do everything underhanded from trumped up rape charges to ridiculous claims from dating sites.  It does not take a rocket scientist to see he has pissed off the rulers.  He is not permitted to leak the truth.

14 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Here's a nice summary:

 

" WikiLeaks’ willingness to serve as an uncritical and enthusiastic laundromat for Russian intelligence reflects the group’s longer history of publishing material with little or no newsworthiness, but calculated to undermine American interests..... In contrast, WikiLeaks almost never publishes leaks that might undermine America’s autocratic rivals. Mr Assange may not be an enemy agent, but he has at least been a useful idiot." https://www.economist.com/britain/2019/04/12/julian-assange-journalistic-hero-or-enemy-agent

 

I'd like to post more, but the moderator's can be really strict about the three sentence fair-use rule.  It is within these limits to state that The Economist does not consider Assange to be a journalist.  It has better words to describe him.  I encourage others to read the article.

Which pretty much validates losworld's post.....

"WikiLeaks’ willingness to serve as an uncritical and enthusiastic laundromat for Russian intelligence reflects the group’s longer history of publishing material with little or no newsworthiness, but calculated to undermine American interests...."

REALLY????  It's just sad that some people believe this type of rhetoric ☹️.

Have to admit that I haven't read through the thread, but surely all politicians should be required to make public their tax returns?

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

One of the arguments made by Brexiteers wrt to British citizens living in Europe, and hence most impacted by the result, being denied a vote was ‘well electoral law only gives the vote to British citizens living in the UK’.

 

 

well that is correct.

 

Now you seem to have a problem with British citizens living in the UK having a vote.

 

 

Not at all - another post that is just wrong.

Brits. living abroad for less than 15 (?) years can vote, and I haven't seen anyone arguing that this is wrong.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Because of course the referendum result put a stop to people holding and expressing an opinion that you don’t agree with.

Not at all sure how this post has anything to do with the points being made?

2 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:

"It's the principle of the thing"

????

6 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

The sex charges brought against him in Sweden were shown to be trumped up.

 

But failing to appear before a court when summonsed to do so is an offense in England. So that's why he was arrested.

 

The UK will, as always, hand him or anyone over to the US when asked, regardless of the legality.

"But failing to appear before a court when summonsed to do so is an offense in England. So that's why he was arrested."

Does anyone seriously believe that the uk govt. spent millions to initially stop him escaping as a result of him skipping bail, and then arrested him for this reason??

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

 

The sex charges brought against him in Sweden were shown to be trumped up.

 

But failing to appear before a court when summonsed to do so is an offense in England. So that's why he was arrested.

 

The UK will, as always, hand him or anyone over to the US when asked, regardless of the legality.

I'd agree with this - but why did the govt. spend so much money trying to arrest a bail jumper on such a trumped up offence?

12 minutes ago, isaanjohnno said:

America, the United States, with all its initial prejudice and lethal screw-ups, was founded as a place where people could direct their own lives without having to fear any other party, let alone a government, that would stand in their way while they did it. And a big part of not having to fear one’s government is not having to fear that government purposely lying to its citizens. The Founding Fathers, for all their faults, got that right. And today erases all of that in one fell swoop.

America is no more. Or it is no longer what they tell you it stands for, whichever comes first.

"And a big part of not having to fear one’s government is not having to fear that government purposely lying to its citizens."

That started a long time ago... and most citizens know this.

4 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Once again someone calls out the left for hypocrisy but not the right. Do you have the slightest recall of now the right regarded Chelsea Manning and his revelations about how the US lied about what it was up to in Iraq? Assange's offer of help to Manning is what he is currently being charged for?

"Once again someone calls out the left for hypocrisy but not the right."

I agree with this part of your post - which is why I hate these left/right accusations.

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Sooooo, the official line that Assange was not going to be extradited to the US has been proven to be government lies. He was correct, and shame on all that said he was being paranoid about it.

IMO, this can't be repeated too frequently.

Most of the anti-Assange posters on the various threads previously certainly held this view, and now they've been proven wrong, are trying to ignore this point.

Assange and his supporters were right - it was all about getting him extradited to the US......