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1 hour ago, wilcopops said:

Brexiteers wont believe this...... I d like to hear why...

 

 

Because it's the typically manipulated 'truth' - which has become all to common nowadays....

A shame, as I'd previously liked stephen fry.  I've no doubt that he knows very well that this video manipulates the 'facts'*, but he posted it anyway ☹️.

* e.g. Implying that the majority now want to remain according to opinion polls - which is why the first part of this video was supportive of opinion polls and desperately trying to explain why they previously were wrong.....  Not to mention, a fair number of opinion polls indicate that leave would win if there was another referendum at the moment - which is one of the reasons why MPs aren't keen on the idea....

8 minutes ago, superal said:

Exactly and it is a disgrace that she has not been reeled in yet . We can all see the damage that she has done and continues to do by possibly having another years extension and all of the uncertainty that goes with it . Nightmare for some businesses and will tip the scales for some to leave the UK .

How can her cabinet , tory party and all within the HOCs allow this farce to continue . Making the UK a laughing stock .  Is there not a strong candidate to come to the fore and sort this mess out . Someone to say enough is enough and take the UK out of the crumbling EU .  Surprised there has not been an online petition from the British public who apart from elections ( from what they are worth ) have no means of protesting government actions .

As you say , political careers are more important but I believe that those in the background are equally guilty by association , gutless MPs .

"Is there not a strong candidate to come to the fore and sort this mess out . Someone to say enough is enough and take the UK out of the crumbling EU ."

Of course there isn't - they are POLITICIANS - only interested in their own wealth and power ☹️.

1 hour ago, geoffbezoz said:

Completely shambolic situation. Would think that the EU would be only too glad to get rid of those far right morons like Rees-Mogg who now publicaly suggest that British MEPs should be obstructive  at the EU parliament.

 

Guess it won't happen but the EU should act very clearly and agree today and instruct the UK that they either leave on Friday or they revoke article 50. No other options and that is something the EU could legally instruct the UK to do. Then we will see a decisive vote in the UK parliament Thursday to revoke Article 50, followed by a General Election that will rid the country of many of current loathsome MPs and eventually see a new referendum where the public would be far better informed of the consequences of stay or leave in order to make their decision.

 

In the meantime hopefully the EU will pass legislation so that no country can leave the EU in future without 2/3 rds majority of the EU members to ensure the Euro and other country's currencies are not hammered again, as has happened now, through the actions of far right despots in any country.

"Guess it won't happen but the EU should act very clearly and agree today and instruct the UK that they either leave on Friday or they revoke article 50."

I agree with this part of your post as it would force MPs to be honest about where they stand, and the electorate deserve this info.  It should also be made clear that a GE will immediately follow the MPs vote, which will concentrate their minds wonderfully ????.

17 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

You think that's the only manifesto promise they've broken?

 

They lied to get votes. Neither said how they would deliver Brexit or what Brexit would look like. Just spurious top level waffle pandering to what they thought people wanted to hear.

 

They both know it's not in the country's best interests to leave but are too concerned about themselves to say it. So delay, delay, water down, delay and water down.

 

And we finish up without Brexit and with a worse deal than we had. Yay for May and Corbyn!!

Everyone knows that manifesto promises are there to be broken...

But we're discussing brexit - where both tories and labour said they would deliver the referendum result - i.e. leave.

If they fail to do so, both parties are going to lose one hell of a lot of votes.

27 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And you can explain the problem you see with statistical method?

Quite.

It seems fairly obvious to me that a large proportion of the electorate are sick and tired of the lies they are told by our politicians.

They've finally 'woken up' - which is why uk MP's are shitting themselves as to how to sell BRINO.

21 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

That is not for me to judge. It is certainly a reference I probably would have avoided, bit of a minefield.

But of course Sheung Wan would have no problem with this as a one-liner ☹️.

Sad, but there will always be the odd poster that entertain themselves by throwing out these type of comments - and there's no way to get rid of them ☹️.

41 minutes ago, Basil B said:

 

If you want to be taken seriously you need to be more realistic with your fantasies.

 

Even if she lost half her votes the Tories are going to take a hammering too, UKIP won't quadruple their vote which probable will be split with the new Brexit Party...

 

More chance of her being the next PM in a coalition government.

 

General Election 2017: Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford

Party		Candidate	Votes	%	±
	Labour	Yvette Cooper	29,268	59.5	+4.6
	Conservative	Andrew Lee	14,769	30.0	+9.2
	UKIP	Lewis Thompson	3,030	6.2	-15.2
	Yorkshire Party	Daniel Gascoigne	1,431	2.9	+2.9
	Liberal Democrat	Clarke Roberts	693	1.4	-1.5
Majority			14,499	29.5	-4.1
Turnout			49,191	60.3	+4.7
	Labour hold		Swing

Who knows?  We're living in uncertain times now that the electorate have finally realised that politicians cannot be trusted.

27 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Just look closely at the Farage visage, the eyes in particular, the man is a 24 carat loon, you'd have to be blind not to see it.  A magnificent vintage radio in the background indicates the era he wants to take us back to. 

Really?

Surely you're not stupid enough to fall into the trap of 'I knew from his eyes that there was something wrong with this serial killer'?  But of course, they only come out with this crap after the guy was proven to be so....

Only the seriously prejudiced would come out with this type of crap re. Farage.

47 minutes ago, TPI said:

Thank's CIA for all of the good things you bring into the world! 

 

It wasn't just the CIA.

IIRC the UK joined  in this 'get rid of Gadaffi, to bring peace' ☹️ ideology....

Gadaffi was far from a 'good guy' - but our intervention has made things even worse.

6 minutes ago, Basil B said:

When TM stands up to speak tomorrow and starts waffling on saying give me more time without any meaningful or realistic road map, I am sure they will be unhappy to give any extension, my money is on a Flextention,  maybe even condition of a referendum with a clear majority to ratify it.

 

And as for May's we will be out by 30th of June, if there were any credibility in that the the Tories would not be wasting time & money putting up candidates in the Euro Elections.

Quite.

Both the uk and eu govts. are prepared to 'kick the can down the road' until they think they can get away with the eu/may deal, or win in another referendum.....

On the uk side, they are (I'm pretty sure) looking at how many votes they will lose at the next GE, and whether they will be able to keep their seats.

19 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

So again what makes leavers right wing.

 

Undemocratic rampage you must be on the sauce. A democratic referendum and a democratic General Election in 2017. You must be smashed or thinking of another country.

"So again what makes leavers right wing."

Precisely.  I am very left wing!  Which is why I 'switch off'  when posters incorrectly label the people with whom they disagree - or simply don't like....

34 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Brexiteers trying to do "sensible". 

One of these days you'll realise that nobody finds your 'jokes' funny.....

Can't you find a better way to 'entertain' yourself than cracking silly one-liners?

36 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Well I wouldn't call it bullying as I have thick skin and if Bomber would have you believe, I am a big b'stard with tattoos.. So we could go around and around. so the people who voted leave????

 

Well having a swim always helps and wish I could just go to for some exercise when I wanted.

 

I would say Brexit has certainly frustrated both sides. Imagine having wanted to leave the EU for 41 years, given the opportunity in a binary vote, once in a generation vote. then it is scuppered by remaining MP's

I apologise for the comment, as this was uncalled for.

 

I look forward to debating in a more gentlemanly manner in the future.

Agree with everything you said, but there's no need to apologise to someone who is frequently referring to leavers as 'simpletons' and the like.