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18 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:Asking the electorate will be the only way out of the impasse. And it is the most sensible thing to do. The second most sensible thing. The most sensible thing would be to bin Brexit altogether (which will happen eventually anyway).
"Asking the electorate will be the only way out of the impasse."
At this point, I'm inclined to agree - as long as the options asked are:-
1) Accept the boris/hunt (whoever is elected as PM) 'deal'
2) Leave without the eu 'deal'
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1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:And this is one of the reasons why trade union 'leaders' are disliked by many of their membership - they are more interested in political power than representing their members. ☹️
4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:Perhaps they really should back a right wing coup funded by tax shy billionaires, multimillionaires and hedge fund managers.
Old Etonians leading the charge for an economy wrecking no deal Brexit and a future of deregulation, why ever wouldn’t union leaders support this crock of Brexit?!
Another prime example of how to avoid the point being made - in this case, re. trade union 'leaders' ......
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42 minutes ago, vogie said:Probably thought that no member state would ever be mad enough to take that route.
Biased much Sandy?
The EU are so arrogant they though no member state would dare to leave their little jolly boys club.
And even after the brits. voted to leave, were arrogant enough to decide the 'best way forward' was to continue - rather than accepting any kind of reform ☹️.
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1 hour ago, expatfromwyoming said:
And the Trump pettiness continues. ‘We Will No Longer Deal With’ The British Ambassador; Disinvites Him From Dinner With Qatar’s Emir". Trump, the is truly is a national embarrassment
It is not at all a "petty' attitude IMO.
Would you have anything to do with someone who has made these types of comments against yourself? Of course not!
The ambassador needs to be quickly sacked - for being stupid enough to put his opinions in 'writing'. Then this latest 'leak' needs to be found and sacked.
Perhaps the uk govt. should also pursue a case against the Times for leaking this unwanted information ????????.
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And this is one of the reasons why trade union 'leaders' are disliked by many of their membership - they are more interested in political power than representing their members. ☹️
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11 minutes ago, jesimps said:
Quote “Malicious leaks of this nature ... can actually lead to a damage to that relationship, which can therefore affect our wider security interest.” Unquote
It isn't the leak that's the problem, it's the fact that our ambassador actually said it. If true, then fire Darroch (who's position is now untenable), then find out who leaked it, in that order. The leaker must've had clearance up to at least "Secret" to have had access to that report.
Presumably darroch didn't have the sense to 'say it', in private, to those to whom he was reporting - he put it in writing.
An extremely bad idea I would have thought, as emails/letters/memos are leaked so frequently.
But I agree with the gist of your post.
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24 minutes ago, jany123 said:Ah.. there it is... finally... thank you
you certainly did post the links, and now that you have told me where, I can see them.
any persistence I have had, is due to the fact that, as you state here, and as I have now seen, you posted the links after I had made my posting, and then you started criticizing me for not having read your links with insults about my comprehension skills
i explained that you had not supplied the link that you said I could not understand, requesting the link, but still you carried on about my comprehension skills... and then blah blah about my understanding of geography.... when all you had to do was post... “links at post x”
Anyway... this missing link, regardless of its proximity to my post, was in no way addressed to myself, and as such, i did not see, nor was I aware of the incident, despite your claims about it being widely reported.... but hey, there it is.... finally.... thanks for the links... links help.
Might I suggest that you stop digging a hole?
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56 minutes ago, Misty said:
True, but to be fair, this story has been around for quite awhile and some may have been expressing outrage for quite awhile. The new story is that Epstein is finally facing the music for real.
Not on this thread, where most posts seem to be about trump.....
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4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:
Genuine justice, secure trials and safe verdicts.
I’ll go with that.
As I remarked earlier, Yaxley Lennon not only broke the law he made several references to the law he was breaking as he did so.
Genuine justice is these vile rapists found guilty and locked up.
I’m pleased not to be amongst those defending a man who put that at risk.
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There's really no point in responding to this type of post that confuses 'justice' with 'the law' - so I'm out for the time being.
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39 minutes ago, sandyf said:Democracy is like beauty, in the eye of the beholder and whether you like it or not the UK is a parliamentary democracy.
"Parliament has let the people down very badly, they agreed to ask the country a question and they agreed to act on that question,"
There is no dispute that parliament got it wrong, right in the beginning, what rational entity asks a binary question with a multitude of answers.
Only the delusional thought there was a singular answer and that has now been proven to be the case.
There is no such thing as "no deal", that has become synonymous with "no agreement" and no agreement will result in a multitude of mini deals done in a panic as people come to understand the consequences of what they thought they were going to get.
Time to realise that the singular concept of "Leave the EU" has never been an option.
That is definitely the remainers' view point.
On the other side, the electorate are tired of 'parliamentary democracy' - which is proving (yet again....) that it doesn't represent 'the majority of people' - only their own, financial interests ☹️. Hopefully this referendum result will change things, but I hold out little hope in the way parliamentary democracy has stopped any idea of a genuine leave for the last 3 years....
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35 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:"The issue is Yaxley Lennon broke the law and has been found guilty for doing so."
Genuine justice is more important than 'the law'.
"Genuine justice is more important than 'the law."
Why am I not suprised that you are confused by this idea Chomper?........☹️ ????
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1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:I’m not sure how ‘patriotism’ got dragged into this.
The issue is Yaxley Lennon broke the law and has been found guilty for doing so.
"The issue is Yaxley Lennon broke the law and has been found guilty for doing so."
Genuine justice is more important than 'the law'.
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59 minutes ago, evadgib said:
UK Courts have to be seen to be believed, especially the frequency by which the Govt misuse their sledgehammer when it suits them.
They won't get away with it for much longer...
Agree with your first para., but am not convinced about the second ☹️.
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Whilst I understand why those connected to him (and likely enjoying his activities) will deservedly come under the spotlight - this thread is about epstein and the even more appalling trafficking charge that he pretty much escaped back in '07. Namely,
"Financier Jeffrey Epstein was arrested late on Saturday on suspicion of sex trafficking of underage girls and will appear in federal court in Manhattan on Monday, a source familiar with the matter said, meaning he will face charges similar to those he avoided in a 2007 plea deal."
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1 hour ago, Ozman52 said:
65 illegal immigrants landed in Malta https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48902133
Thanks for the link.
I could only laugh at this part of the article:-
"Prime Minister Joseph Muscat said after talks with the European Commission and German government that all 65 would be relocated to other parts of the EU."
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18 hours ago, Baerboxer said:
As France is a member state of the EU, it cannot discuss and agree trade agreements.
Macron is once again show boating to show the French people what a brilliant and important man he is. Oh, and divert their attention from all the protests and social issues at home and his tumbling approval ratings.
Exactly!
I'm at a loss to understand why anyone thinks this obvious showboating attempt by macron, is worthy of little other than contempt.
But perhaps I'm missing something?
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Thanks Mel52 for an object lesson on how to completely derail a topic with endless, narcissistic stories ☹️.
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12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:He’s not defending a man who committed a serious contempt of court and with it the real likelihood of vile rapists being set free without punishment.
Some folk are, and that does speak volumes.
I think the difference of opinion boils down to whether one believes "and with it the real likelihood of vile rapists being set free without punishment.".
As the jurors were already deliberating their decision (and presumably were sequestered?), it seems unlikely that there was a chance of them being influenced by what was happening outside the court IMO - so no good reason for a mistrial. Which is presumably why the defense motion was dismissed.
I understand that in 'absolute' terms, TR committed contempt of court by breaking the 'no reporting' order - but the law and courts also need to be sensible to avoid being seen as authoritarian, and caring more about 'the law' than justice.
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The eu is going through their own type of uk govt. brexit at the moment - as they make every attempt to ensure nothing changes, whilst pretending that they care about the populace swing against them....
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59 minutes ago, 3MagicBeers said:Who says we want them? I for sure don't. I support my country's humanitarian offer to refugees over the past 3 years but now DE is full and and I applaud Italy's tough line not to give in to this new 'tactic' by the NGOs to blackmail the EU into accepting more migrants in this manner. No one ever wants to see people drown. But if you are going to act as a 'Coastguard' for stranded refugees at sea, have a plan B where to offload and resettle them afterwards.
Sorry, your 'leaders' feel otherwise.....
Edit - I'd add that the vast majority are not likely to be genuine refugees, they're economic migrants.
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5 hours ago, Ozman52 said:And still they come.........
"A third rescue ship, German charity Sea-Eye's vessel Alan Kurdi, carrying 65 shipwrecked migrants rescued off Libya on Saturday arrived and held its position in international waters off Lampedusa." https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/07/italy-migrant-rescue-vessel-defies-salvini-docks-lampedusa-190706171724359.htm
Alex the boat currently docked declared that it was overloaded with 60 people over a nominal capacity of 18. As there are 41 "refugees", it was already overloaded when it left port with the stated intention of searching for stranded migrants.
Quite, the 'rescue ships' keep arriving, and being defended by the charity organisations that go out to provide a 'taxi service' to the port they think most likely to be unable to stop access.....
One forced it's way in, another has landed (but so far has not allowed the (likely) economic migrants to disembark, and there is yet another waiting to enter the same port.....
<deleted>, take them to a german port!Apparently the germans want these supposed 'refugees'., so would have no problem accepting them.
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Although, to be fair - it's pretty clear that 'the establishment' are out to convict robinson in this case....
As evidenced by "He successfully appealed against the jailing and was released. The Court of Appeal, however, ordered a rehearing and Attorney General Geoffrey Cox, the government's chief legal adviser, decided to start contempt proceedings against him."
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20 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:
And so I repeat.....
Subsequent trials?
Please explain how this could have affected precisely which subseqent trials - and precisely how.
14 minutes ago, 7by7 said:And I repeat, it could have done.
If you were the victim of an attempted mugging, would you dismiss it so easily because it didn't succeed?
As repeatedly said to you, subsequent trials in which some of the defendants were also defendants. Those trials could have been affected by the jury being prejudiced due to Yaxley-Lennon's antics.
In the UK we have a principle called the Assumption of Innocence.
And so I ask again for a reply to my post.
"it could have done" isn't a reply.
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28 minutes ago, 7by7 said:
I repeat; it gave the defense the excuse to ask for a mistrial!!!!
That the attempt didn't succeed is irrelevant.
His antics could also have seriously affected subsequent trials.
I'm sorry that my responses to you seem childish, but your continual refusal to accept these two simple facts is, to be honest, exasperating.
I would expect such denial from a Yaxley-Lennon supporter, but, despite our differences, thought better of you than that.
And so I repeat.....
47 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:It didn't succeed because it was obvious (?) that as the jurors were already deliberating their decision it was too late for their decision to be affected by anything happening outside the court.
Subsequent trials?
Please explain how this could have affected precisely which subsequent trials - and precisely how.
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UK Labour's trade union backers support second referendum onBrexit deal
in World News
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So perhaps you should answer the point raised in my post, rather than descending to OTT and childish comments - as per your posts quoted above?