dick dasterdly

Just now, kwilco said:

"Reunitingwith the EU and trying to reunite as a country could prove far more challenging than a no deal Brexit ever would have done. "

 

No you are making a gross misjudgment. EITHER way the country will be divided..... If Brexiteers win then the long legal democratic process reuniting with the EU will begin.

If the remainers win, then Brexit thugs will roam the streets picking on immigrants and anyone they think is a remainer.

Perhaps you should have quoted the entirety of Rivalex's post - rather than just one word??

Can't be bothered to respond to your last para..... (roll eyes)......

Just now, spidermike007 said:

Why is the income statement from the embassy an issue, for guys with the required income? Shouldn't local bank statements, showing an income in excess of 65,000 a month, from abroad, for the past year be sufficient? That is far more "genuine" than the income affidavit from the embassy anyways. Is that not the point of the change? To validate real income?

 

Does anyone have clarification on this specific point?

Because we don't yet know whether this will be accepted by TI.

Just now, adammike said:

We prospered when we joined the EEC that became the EU.

Except the lowest paid didn't prosper....

Just now, melvinmelvin said:

 

re no/deal disaster - keep in mind that MPs are also part of the brainwashed electorate

 

More importantly, they are looking out for their own interests...

Leave the eu?

Eu mp jobs have gone, and if they don't do everything in their power to stop genuinely leaving the eu - they may have less chance of directorship jobs in the big companies....

57 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

Before TM used Brexit means Brexit as kind of a mantra she was proud of.

 

Now TM says; have your pick:

my deal - no deal - no Brexit (or does she say my deal or no Brexit? doesn't matter, silly anyway)

 

Assuming that the deal will survive in the EU this week:

When parliament handles the deal formally next month (early December?)

 

if they should vote it down (not sure they have the guts) - What then?

 

I guess if TM should then shout, OK no Brexit then.

She might see a motion of non-conf in parliament.

If she says, right, we crash out in March. What then?

 

I can understand people are worked up about this deal,

it looks fairly meagre to me.

 

referendum summer 2016 - final end of game xmas 2022, that is 6.5 years for not very much.

 

 

 

I think that's 'the point'.

The 'deal' is obviously remain in name only - whilst paying even more for the 'privilege'.

Politicians aren't entirely stupid, and realise that this is an easily recongnisable leave in name only deal - whilst paying 39bn for the 'privilege'.

How will the electorate react?  None of us know - but they have been subjected to years of 'no deal will result in a disaster' rhetoric from the media....

6 minutes ago, MekkOne said:

not trolling anybody, I just wonder why if "hundreds of retirees are honest and do have the required income proof" the affidavit letter is such a problem... You can just put your pension in a Thai bank and you don't need any affidavit...

You clearly have no idea about the problem for those using the income route.

24 minutes ago, nontabury said:

I think I’ll take the opinion of the Swedish CEO of Easyjet, who says otherwise,over your blinkered opinion.

For some obscure reason Kwilco still thinks flights in and out of the eu (to the UK) would be grounded if we genuinely left the eu ????.

Leave him to his delusions....

47 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

They changed their name to UKIP. 

Hardly....

Monster raving loony party was always a protest vote, whilst UKIP attracted those that were anti-EU.

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

I have been advised that Brexiters do not like to be thought of as stupid or uneducated morons!

 

Now I posted this excellent and informative piece by Prof Dougan several hours ago and not a single comment has been posted!

 

What should I conclude?

That those with a different opinion are not as easily 'taken in' as you?

58 minutes ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

 

This sounds like it has become something of personal crusade Mr.G? ???? It needn't be. Would only be a waste of your time.

 

You disagree with me on most points - in fact we're often diametrically opposed, but that's fine, nothing wrong with it in fact.

I only told you to 'pipe down' in the first place because you brought up, what I see as, pretty arrogant assumptions in your post, yet again. I think you know what I'm speaking of. I had already answered your question along the same lines some time ago at least once with the honest answer, yet you still bring it up.

 

'Cantab? you're no Cantab!' The inference being - if I was Cambridge Uni educated then I wouldn't believe in the Brexit cause - a cause you happen to vehemently disagree with!

And look, I didn't really mean to insult you in the first place, it was a gentle ribbing, maybe you took it to heart a little too much? ???? Considering the pretty vitriolic comments you aim at other posters on here, perhaps you shouldn't do?

 

In any case, it is this aforementioned tone of pure condescension that runs through the whole Remaoner rhetoric that gets our collective goat on this side, I think it's fair to say.

 

'We Remainers are all awfully well educated don't you know, we really rather think you should listen to us, as we know best', etc. etc.

These same people with Russell Group Uni degrees coming out of the wazoo, seem to have hardly ever worked a day in their life nor seem to have a firm grasp on economics, business or the realities of the EU outside of the received wisdom their cohorts and professors have instilled in them. Living in an echo chamber, basically.

Judging by the blatant lack of astuteness of many people who like to make a point of mentioning their quality education, standards must've slipped! This could be witnessed time and again in the Brexit campaign, with the BBC doing a stellar job of platforming a vast array of venal dullards of the same ilk - promoting the EU cause without seemingly understanding or experiencing any of it's obvious flaws.

 

To address your point briefly re: Thatcher - something that happened throughout the 1980s that needs to happen again, IMO, is a reduction in the size of the state and its influence. The EU will never ever do that, their raison d'etre is consolidation of control and centralisation of that power - this can be seen in the very trajectory of the institution's  increased influence in everyday life as well as its growth into new and previously uncharted territory.

From a single market - to a customs union - to a political union - to a currency union - to a military union. It's insidious march towards totalitarian control is, I'd wager - not what the masses want - or ever voted for. We were never even consulted about any of it. It's complete lack of democracy can be witnessed time and again, so when you start saying we are far more interested in social justice and consensus/greater good for society and then in the same breath associate any of these notions with the EU, it only solidifies my view that you are misinformed about the subject & unable to appraise the facts. So to be honest, there is little point in discussing this topic with you further.

If the EU were simply what it started out as, I personally, would have no problem with it. Alas, it's mutated into a monster over the last 40 years, and it's high time it was vanquished. What with Brexit; Italian, Hungarian and Polish dissent and the mounting Eurozone/migrant crises I'd say it's days are very much numbered.

 

I would also add - you didn't even attempt to answer my question I notice, what part of what I said was incorrect or 'nonsense'?  

Apart from the penultimate para. - I agree.

The EEC included CAP......

1 hour ago, BwindiBoy said:

That you're pompous?

And easily manipulated by remain propaganda.

14 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Then I am afraid you fit the description of a Brexiter nicely. You see I listen to all opinions before deciding. Sorry Dick but you, and many like you, are being suckered without you knowing it .....

9 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

You disagree that he is a remainer?

 

And yet you are adamant that only leavers are "being suckered"??

To put it in your own words "you fit the description of a" remainer "nicely"....