dick dasterdly

44 minutes ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

That is true, or so I hear. The British public haven't, for some years, eaten quite a lot of the very high quality sea-food that is caught in British waters, sticking to traditional favourites. This is changing and will continue to though, as culinary and cultural tastes do shift over time. Moreover (post Brexit) we will have the chance to land a lot more of this cache of quality seafood and thus have the ability to introduce it to the British consumer once again.

 

'our fishermen who promptly decided it was easier to sell those to other EU fishermen' - this only happened because the UK government allowed itself to be emasculated by the CFP, allocating a large chunk of our national waters to continental fisherman - largely the French, so selling quotas is how many of these fisherman made their living, as the amount / specific stocks they were able to fish themselves had been drastically reduced and restricted to ensure foreign fishermen made a living fishing our waters. As the world's foremost maritime power for centuries - this to me seems an almost symbolic affront by the EU, one that should never have been allowed to happen. Look what it did to thousands of people who had before worked in a large and thriving industry employing large numbers in many coastal towns in the UK - especially the east and northeast of England and Scotland. 

 

'This may not be possible post a hard brexit and if it is will be subject to tariffs of around 35%' - this would simply mean that people on the continent would be paying that much more for their fish or importing it from elsewhere, but the former seems more likely given the tastes of those living in Europe, they have a prediliction for the fish caught in our waters. What's more is that French fish/seafood markets will have a much reduced supply from domestic fishing fleets, as fishermen from Charente to Normandy / Pas De Calais (after Brexit) will have nearly 70% of their fresh fish catch taken away from them and handed back rightfully to our fishermen to export / sell within the UK. I for one hope that we see an ancient industry in our country return to it's former glory in the advent of Brexit. The CFP was a con from the very beginning -

 

'The CFP was hastily stitched together by the founding six member states just before the start of the accession negotiations with Denmark, Ireland, Norway and the UK. At a hastily arranged meeting on 30 June 1970, six hours before the date an agreement was reached on the principle of 'equal access' ... just two weeks after Edward Heath’s election victory triggered UK entry negotiations with the EU, and just six hours before the talks actually started. negotiations began, the agriculture ministers of the “six” adopted the principle of ‘equal access’ to EU waters. This meant that the principle of free access was an integral part of EU law - an arrangement which any then EU membership candidate had to accept. The timing was no accident. The waters of these four applicants contain well over 90 per cent of western Europe’s fish, some 80 per cent in seas controlled by Britain' 

 

Drake must be spinning in his grave! ????

 

 

"our fishermen who promptly decided it was easier to sell those to other EU fishermen' - this only happened because the UK government allowed itself to be emasculated by the CFP, allocating a large chunk of our national waters to continental fisherman - largely the French, so selling quotas is how many of these fisherman made their living, as the amount / specific stocks they were able to fish themselves had been drastically reduced and restricted to ensure foreign fishermen made a living fishing our waters."

????

1 hour ago, Ozman52 said:

Has it escaped you that the "Far Right Minister" is a member of the Italian government that writes the laws of Italy? Will you still be spouting Rule of Law after it is changed to prevent economic migrants posing as refugees being granted entry?

 

BTW how do you feel about Malaysians being denied the right to claim asylum on arrival in Australia? Do you support the action or prefer scam artists to be allowed to take advantage of our laws?

"Do you support the action or prefer scam artists to be allowed to take advantage of our laws?"

Again - a good point that makes the problem clear IMO.  How do we help genuine asylum seekers, without also allowing the majority (who I think we all agree are economic migrants?) to take advantage?

17 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Thats ok then. If they murder and behead then we should do it too.

 

So we become them, and I thought we were there because we want it to be better and them more like us.

 

With your view it seems it is them that are winning. We are coming down to their level.

Whilst I agree with most of your post, I have to disagree with your second para.

"I thought we were there because we want it to be better and them more like us."....

I'm sure you don't genuinely believe this?

4 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

Go to the source of the claimant 

Robin Tilbrooke

Agreed - we have to go to the source, to discover pretty much any evidence that this court case even exists ☹️.

21 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 The decision to extend Article 50 was also approved by Parliament.

 

Do your remarks include those Brexiteers who are against this extension approved by Parliament?

 

Especially to those who appear to be supporting the ludicrous court case to overturn it?

"The decision to extend Article 50 was also approved by Parliament"

Link please.

Not that I'm particularly bothered, as MPs have made it very clear that they are desperately searching for a BRINO that they can sell to the electorate ☹️.

47 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Link please - as finding anything about this court case is still difficult.

20 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

So yet again you want me to do your work for you!

 

The case was dismissed as it had no merit.

 

As already explained, this is because the extension was laid before Parliament by means of a Statutory Instrument, to which no MP objected. It would have been odd had they done so, as the request for an extension had previously been approved by the House with a significant majority.

 

Therefore the extension is legal.

 

Tilbrook has requested leave to appeal, a request which is pending. As nothing has happened for a while, that is what has been reported recently; nothing.

Again, link please.

"As nothing has happened for a while, that is what has been reported recently; nothing."

Pretty much nothing has been reported since the beginning of this court case - unlike gina millar's case that was all over MSM.

I have been told that this case has been rejected and an appeal will follow.  But again - not as a result of MSM.....

24 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

It's called A Scout Is: The Boy Scout's Anthem

 

It's on a website called Scout Songs.

 

Ok, it's American; doesn't mean it doesn't exist, though!

My school had a 'school song', and we were all required to stand up when it was performed....

As a kid, obviously I conformed to this stupid, pointless requirement.

As an adult, I am not as easily intimidated.

Which is why I still think the brexit EMPs should have just remained seated.

16 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

The legal challenge to Art 50 extension was dismissed from court as having no merit

Link please - as finding anything about this court case is still difficult.

16 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

What lie? He posted a meme for crying out loud. 

 

And it wasn’t a lie. Snopes didn’t disprove the accusation, she was literally fake-crying at an empty parking lot with border patrol agents on the inside. 

 

Theres video of it out now. 

Link please.

9 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

So, yet again, like many Brexiteers here, you fail to provide any evidence to substantiate your claims!

 

You made the claim, it is up to you to provide the evidence.

 

However, you can't do so because as can be seen from my previous, and substantiated by anyone who can use Google, your claim was false.

Quite a few links have been provided on various threads re. this ongoing court case, but I do agree that it's very hard to find via MSM ☹️.

Googling 'robin tilbrook court case' is the place to start.

25 minutes ago, vogie said:

They were seated Dick, they were asked to stand by one of the EU bigwigs and I paraphrase "respect the States National Anthem"

Why would they listen to eu bigwigs telling them to stand for "the States National Anthem"?!

I still think it would have made the point (without going unnecessarily OTT) if they had just remained seated.

22 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

If your comment above is sarcasm, then you can disregard my comment below.

 

It was a military jury, not a civilian one... So not exactly either independent or neutral.

 

Of course Yogi's comment was extremely sarcastic ????.

Or at least I hope so, as if not I will look very silly!

29 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

If I were him I'd shut up, he protesteth too much. Find the leak and sack them.

If he hadn't made an issue of these un-named, senior civil servants spreading propaganda against him - nothing would have been done.

But I do agree that they need to be found, and sacked.

51 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 It is you who needs to educate yourself!

 

The reason we have not already left the EU has nothing to do with the European Parliament, it is because British MPs in the British Parliament blocked our exit for their own party political and personal ambition reasons.

 

None of which has anything to do with or can be affected by the European Parliament. Even if that Parliament were to vote on any final deal, the minority of Brexit party MEPs therein would have negligible effect on that vote.

 

OK, Farage formed the Brexit party to show how much support there still remains in the UK for Brexit. But this aim was achieved by the results of the election. His point was made, and would only be emphasised by he and his members refusing to turn up to the Parliament to take their seats.

 

I would not agree with them, but would respect them had they done that.

 

But instead they did turn up. The only reason for so doing being to collect their salaries, expenses and qualify for their MEP pensions. Not to mention the compensation for being removed early from their MEP positions when Brexit does finally happen.

 

They are in it for the money; were they not then they would not have taken up their seats. Which would have been a far more honest and effective protest than childishly turning their backs. But had they done the honest thing, they would not be getting any money!

 

Your hero Farage certainly respects, or at least loves, the vast amounts of British taxpayers money he's received via the EU over the years. Thanks to Rees-Mogg and others delaying Brexit, he's going to get a whole lot more!

 

Odd how you believe one man's opinion when it confirms your prejudices, but ignore the numerous facts which confound them!

 

Actually, not odd at all; it's to be expected from you and many of your fellow Brexiteers.

"The reason we have not already left the EU has nothing to do with the European Parliament, it is because British MPs in the British Parliament blocked our exit for their own party political and personal ambition reasons."

Sadly, I agree with this point - although probably for different reasons than those of 7by7.

Brexit MEPs standing and turning their back whilst the eu anthem was being played is a childish, unnecessary exaggeration IMO.  They should have just remained seated.

4 hours ago, stevenl said:

Nothing to do with stalking, just someone pointing out your opinions are not very consistent (well, attacking Corbyn no matter what is consistent).

 

" The idea that civil servants should be briefing newspapers against an elected politician, against a prospective government is something that should be very concerning to a lot of people,” Corbyn said on July 1 of the story. "

He is right, things like this should not happen.

"" The idea that civil servants should be briefing newspapers against an elected politician, against a prospective government is something that should be very concerning to a lot of people,” Corbyn said on July 1 of the story. "

He is right, things like this should not happen."

I agree.  It's appalling that senior civil servants would behave this way.  They need to be identified and sacked, as unfit for their position.

I'm going to leave remainers to continue to support these political games.....☹️

Have to say though that I'm more than suprised that the politicians would be so obvious!

24 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

What’s your point? It doesn’t matter whether your put it in percentages or absolute values; it doesn’t change the fact that, in the event of a no-deal Brexit, the UK is about to put at risk half of its market, the EU only about 7% of its market. 

 

What countries are you referring to? If I’m not mistaken, even the biggest exporters to the UK export only 8-9% to the UK. I.e., there is no country in the EU that relies so heavily on the UK that it would try to convince the other members of anything. 

 

Please elaborate. I can’t see how that’s the case. 

 

 

How to explain......

The individual (exporting) countries and businesses involved will be very worried.

The eu as an entity - doesn't work for those exporting to the uk - as they are understandably far more concerned about their own exports.

1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

"They are promising billions to save the fisheries."

 

I think hunt is "promising billions to save the fisheries".  Certainly a bit odd - as the small brit. fisherman were sold out years ago.....

 

 

 

1 hour ago, stephenterry said:

The post was about the Falkland Islands referendum, when 98% voted to remain under UK rule. The 52% related to the UK referendum. I have no idea what was the motives for leavers, apart frrom unemployed in the north whose main reason was 'it must be better than what we have now'. 

 

Clearly peed off with the UK government not protecting UK jobs by allowing EU immigration doing the 'dirty and menial jobs' that no self respecting bum-sitter would want, anyway. 

Thank you for the explanation re. the "I would suggest 98% voted to stay under UK sovereignty is conclusive, while 52% is not."

"Clearly peed off with the UK government not protecting UK jobs by allowing EU immigration doing the 'dirty and menial jobs' that no self respecting bum-sitter would want, anyway."

Perhaps another explanation (although you are unlikely to understand this) is that brit. workers would take on these jobs, if given a decent wage that allows them to live in the uk without needing to rely on benefits? 

22 hours ago, wayned said:

My notifications have stopped.  I haven't received any in a couple of days and can't believe that noone is responding on the Brexit or Boris Johnson thread, let alone the DT BS.

Actually that's another point!

Some notifications on some threads are shown, whereas others never appear.  Where is the 'confused emoticon' when you need it!

On 6/23/2019 at 4:39 PM, Puchaiyank said:

After reading notifications...clear notifications so that you do not have this problem...

I've tried doing this, and it doesn't work.

A couple of old notifications are still shown - or perhaps they are new notifications in un-embolded script?  I'm not sure as the 'notification icon' shows x number of notifications, whereas when I look - there are more....

The mixture (after clearing notifications) of un-emboldened and emboldened quotes is a bit annoying.  Not to mention the difference between the number shown on the 'icon' and the actual number.