initially there was one photo from which i made my remarks which included possibles and maybes..you obviously had access to more photos ie the plate which i coudlnt see along with light lenses..however i did say regardless the driver of the Ford was reckless and negligent regardless of whether he was intoxicated as alleged. What you won't accept, probably because you're ignorant of this, is that all road users who get involved in an accident are each apporitoned a percentage of the total blame. The mere fact the motor cycle riders (RIP) were on the road and maybe/perhaps/probably doing everything correctly, must still share a certain responsibility because they were there and got hit. All courts of law apportion blame this way, including Thailand who follow the British system in most laws. So no need to nit-pick with me and i hope you learnt something today!