wildewillie89

Interesting. Some of his ideas seem good, but I can also see why many are skeptical of him. His open refusal to do any peer reviewed research on his own methods seems to ring alarm bells to many. He gives a story about not wanting to give placebos/not treat dogs, but if his methods worked then a small amount of dogs suffering would create a remedy for a massive majority, so his logic is a little flawed from a consequentialism point of view (i.e trying to save the greatest number of dogs possible).  

There are vets out there you can trust, just need to search hard, would be hard for my vet to doc the results. Extremely busy so is treating other patients whilst we wait for the results. First time he sees them is when they get handed to him with us in the room. So far our dogs bloods have all been perfect. The in-laws dog tested positive to a tick disease which we knew she had because gave it to me. Just gave the standard doxy treatment and left it at that. 

I am all for holistic/natural vets though. Raw food, only core vaccines, no or late de-sexing (in the context of responsible dog owners). He just needs to do research on his methods to get the credibility he may well deserve from the vet world. 

55 minutes ago, meatboy said:

I must say every test he had all the range and details of every one was identical.

I have a copy of all the tests and there is nothing that we don't understand,all done at an animal lab,

the only differencial results would come from using a lab that do the human tests.

I have my inr.done at a lab,and they told me they would never test a dogs blood and they have the latest equipment.

Easy to read so easy not to be scammed.

But yes, get the urinalysis done for safe measure - re infection. 

3 hours ago, meatboy said:

one thing we have is the complete range of what a blood test should be,that came from kasetsart university so compareing is quite interesting.we do understand what every count means.

another scam we caught one so called animal hospital tried to take us to the cleaners was.

we took him for a FBC they told us we will take the blood to a big place in bkk.and have a true account.

they told us the test would be done in about 10hrs.time.the next day the vet phoned to say we have to go and get the result from her,she was held up in traffic and wont be back till late evening but not to worry.

then the next day we went to the surgery and was told he had kidney problem to which he needs them to be flushed out every day.little did she know my wife could read the test[creatinine] kidneys,this would cost a 1,000bht.each time.

the wife smelt a rat,something is not right with the test,so she phoned the lab that done the test and found out the sample of our boys blood had been presented 43hrs.after the take.the doctor at the clinic that done the test told the wife to completely disregard it.youve been caught you stupid bar stewards and the wife didn't take long to let them know.

nobody can challenge all what we say as we have the PROOF.

Each laboratory will have different ranges so make sure you take that into account. For example. my blood results look completely different at the government hospital compared to the private one down the road. Whatever my problem is will show up, but completely different numbers due to different systems. 

14 hours ago, Celer et Audax said:

I pay as I should do!!

Why 'should' you? Is it a gender issue or a monetary issue. 

If a gender issue then, 'should' she have to clean the house or cook the dinner? It is 2017 now, surely we are heading towards some sort of equality where women who work also pay and men also do domestic duties.

If a monetary issue then surely people should live within their means rather than off others. 

My Mrs looked at her pay scale last night, in 20 years she will be earning nearly 2 and half times more than me (both work in Thai). 'Should' I have to be the sole person who pays in this situation? 

Yeah, my last vet verbally told me things, I didn't like it so switched. Current vet shows the most simple graphic in the world which is incredibly self explanatory. Just shows where the dogs results are meant to be and where they are. The rest is just positive or negatives. The machine even bothers to put the dogs name, weight, age, breed etc. Given not too long after the blood are taken (30 minutes or so), so the vet has no time to do any scams. Vet will also see you again and go through each individual result explaining what they mean. 

I have a Caucasian, so built for the Soviet snowy conditions (although due to them being guardian dogs they have slightly higher tolerances of different types weather). I usually give her a big walk when the sun is going down/and continue into the night sometimes, and on weekends when no work a walk both morning and evening (roads are cooler, no sun).

Mornings on weekdays she will self exercise (various 50m sprints - width of property) as all the farm vehicles/cows/dogs/people walking past and continue to periodically throughout the day. Her thigh muscles now put mine to shame lol. It is hard, but Husky's do need vigorous exercise compared to the average dog. so maybe a slightly longer walk early morning (avoid puddles due to Leptospirosis), and in the evening. May help the leakage, as generally exercise is suggested with issues of leakage. If feed dry kibble just make sure you wait to feed her a couple hours re bloat. Although many believe exercise isn't a factor, it doesn't hurt to wait. 

Instead of ice water, maybe just use a wet towel or sometimes I will spray cool water on the dogs feet and under her belly/chest (in summer) - leave spray bottle in fridge. Also have a few of those kid sized pools that they use to mix concrete around the place she will jump in after a walk/run...maybe you could use it and dry off before going inside (advantage of the heat is they dry faster). The dog will stand in it, then the breeze will blow, so naturally cooling them down (rather than cooling too quickly with an air-con). My dog will stand in that maybe every couple of hours throughout the day. Growing up she loved being indoors, but as she got older and her instincts started to kick in she decided she would live outdoors, so needed to think of some ideas. 

Surely you can take him to a vet and do a urinalysis and see the results yourself. Seeing as things were normal last March, if the pee test falls in the normal range then it is probably either a breed/age thing or a lifestyle thing, e.g. needs exercising more frequently/exercising different times of the day - it is suggested to certainly exercise dogs at least in the morning who have leakage problems. Or may just show an infection with a simple treatment. - I am assuming a full blood/tick test was done last visit also. 

Vets cant rob you if everything is normal (always ask to see the results), unless you allow them to rob you. If not normal then you will either need to do your 10 hour trip (if cant trust local vets), or do some of your own research and have discussions with the vet (if that is your only choice). 

Some vets are out to rob you, yes, but if you can have a scientific conversation with them I have found they are more than happy to cover all bases and try their hardest to find the underlining cause of the symptoms. A conversation isn't as scary as it seems as research back home is a good 20 odd years more advanced than here in terms of animals so doesn't take a science degree to comprehend a lot of it. They will automatically think you know your stuff so feel they wont be able to take advantage.

I initially learnt that the hard way as a naive new comer. I trusted the first vet I saw (who probably ripped me off a little bit). The second vet now treats my dogs the farang way - nothing, unless it is needed and we both agree on it. Better to be safe than sorry. 

1 minute ago, colinneil said:

Sorry you are wrong, children at village schools get free books, free uniform, free lunches.

Now before you spout of again saying i am wrong, my wife is the director of a village school here in Issan, and she knows more about that than you.

To be fair, she hasn't been the best reference so far in this thread when it comes to what welfare the government gives out lol. 

Village schools mean nothing in terms of actual education. I am at a city school for the poor in Isaan (where everything is free), which I would consider useless, and that is a step up from the village school near my house. Villagers actually pay for the bus in the hope the kids will learn something rather than sending them to the village school. If the kid is wanting at least a basic education then they need to go to one of the bigger government city schools or a private school. And the directors will not accept kids in those generally unless they pay an added cost - regardless of how free it is meant to be. 

The fact this guy has moved up the ranks pretty quickly would suggest he has half a brain in his head, and would know all of this. Which is why he only requests the dedicated children.

We should be celebrating his actions. It is getting pretty sad on this forum where everyone is hating the world around them so much they cant even see something a little bit positive. 

Good luck.

Had a look at a few breeders of German Shepherds here. All plagued with the same issues as many back home. Mainly downward sloping of the back and hip issues. You tell them a dogs back is meant to be straight and they look at you like, what? Maybe see if anyone you know has contacts with actual working GS dogs. I feel the breeders who will come up to your standards here will all be show dog breeders, which will just be adding to the above mentioned issues. 

1 hour ago, colinneil said:

You are talking nonsense

 

http://202.28.103.179/HRstou/images/welfare/w18.pdf

http://new.forest.go.th/wp-content/uploads/sites/17/2015/12/9.-ค่าเช่าบ้าน-กรมไม้-1.5-ชม2-ธ.ค.-ส่งไฟล์.pdf

My sentiment was a lot nicer than the Mrs for an official not knowing this. In the future I suggest you do the relevant research before calling 'nonsense' :)

Either way, if it is not his hometown then the police would provide accommodation. If it is, he would probably stay with family - both free. I am extremely surprised your wife and you have not heard of this though. It is as well known as free health for officials. And why many seek to go for the test in other cities (depending on department). Although if she already has a paid off house in her name she cannot get the right.

Amounts per month, whether to pay rent or put towards loan:

c2-c3 get 2,500
c4-c6 get 3,000 (Mrs is c6)
C7 get 3,500 
C8 up get 4,000

If you want, I will provide the relevant link later that your Mrs can translate for you to confirm it is not nonsense  :).

My wife receives the money, but many of her colleagues don't (as first work place was in their area). If your wife does not receive it, I would suggest you contact the human resources person in her workplace. My wife only found out that next month she will increase two pay levels, as the human resources person wasn't keeping up to date.

Just now, colinneil said:

As i already said you are talking nonsense, my wife worked 200 kilometers from home in her first 5 years.

Was it still considered the area though? For example, was she born in Korat, but also worked in Korat, just another district though? 

5 minutes ago, colinneil said:

You are talking nonsense

 

Go and ask any official...clearly your Mrs worked the first two years in her hometown so does not know about this.

9 minutes ago, colinneil said:

   As he is an official, his accommodation would be paid for?

Please explain where you got that from?

My wife is an official, she receives not 1 baht towards accommodation.

Also whats this about him getting cheap loans?

Officials can ge t loans easy, yes they can but at the same rates as others.

Banks always offer promotions to officials. Just yesterday they visited my wife's office for example, probably visit every 3 months with promotions only for officials. 

The accommodation would depend on his hometown as most official try and work outside of their hometown in the first two years. If you work the first two years of your life outside your hometown you have housing provided. When move back to your hometown you are paid monthly rent until your homeloan is paid off. We receive 3,000 per month to put towards our homeloan, which right now covers 50% of the loan. Over 30 years will still cover 30% of it. If we rented an apartment, would cover 90-100% in our city (depending if we want aircon). 

23 minutes ago, sinbin said:

The guy's paying 15,000 Baht per month in rent outta his own pocket. Give over.

As he is an official, things like his accommodation is paid for. He really wouldn't have that many day to day expenses. Also it would have been incredibly easy to get a very cheap loan to start up the school (being an official). Many Thai have gone into a lot more debt for a lot less. 

My father-in-law was denied high school as he grew up in a rural area as his dad wanted him to work. He walked to the high school (would be close to an hour walk), and explained the situation as a 13 year old and they tested him and gave him a place. He then joined the army, and sent back his pay cheque to get his siblings through school also (as not all government schools are 'free'). He became a Colonel, his brother is now boss of police in the city. He took early retirement to become a Mayor, and is now ranked 11 from 7,500 odd Mayors due to the projects he is putting in to help his community. Before he became Mayor they didn't even have running water. Now they have water, various buildings, canals/dams for farmers, free wifi at the community meeting place, a juvenile prison on the way to bring in jobs, child care centre, the Immigration office looks like it will be built here, a laboratory for rice, has even painted lines on some of the roads. All in his first term.

Not all Thai are useless. Some come from poor to modest backgrounds, like this copper said he did, and want to improve the community. Just like some farang do. 

Re being dangerous, I think it is more of a myth. Some believe dogs can bloat due to ice, but no science to back that up. If it is an annoyance as it causes leakage then no real need to give it is there?

6 minutes ago, sinbin said:

On living in a village with a high level of policing due to the fact the village is in a large Amphur and accommodates the  Amphur police station. The police live within the community and I never see them put anything back into it. Come the weekends it's nothing but underage teen racers speeding through the village and the local computer shop bulging at the seams. Plus there's the Yabba. Cops do nothing. I sat drinking with a local cop once who'd just come off duty and was still in uniform. Right in front of us was a motorcycle accident. The cop got up, not to assist, but to walk to the back of the shop so's not to get involved. He still had his radio on but wouldn't call it in.

Plus the police could easily organise these kids in to playing football teams and have a inter village competitions. But nah. As I said 'I never see them put anything back'. That's why I'm probably one of the 'bitter bunch' and don't see this story above being true. 

100% of police are like that? There isn't just one exception? I have a few family and friends who are police and are giving back to the poorer community, running things like soccer events in the community. Even paying the local field to hire so the poorer kids get to experience grass, rather than dirt. 

22 minutes ago, up2you2 said:

Now this is good what you have written here - thank you.

Your first two paragraphs have been complied with on numerous occasions.

The tribunal sounds what I am looking for, I wonder if anyone knows it's Thai name please?
 

Soon Dham Rong Tham...It says it in the post lol

Although the government does say that education is free, the reality is not always the case. Most directors at the better government schools will tell students there is no spot for them in the school unless they pay added costs. 

I am at a poor government school (obviously government pays me, not school) and periodically rich families will travel 5 hours from Bangkok just to donate to the school. No TV/news, just a donation for the kids. This guys story just got out as he is a copper. 

Even if he is doing it to look good, the kids will still be probably getting a better education than at the local schools that are actually 'free'.

 We are a bitter bunch on this forum it seems. 
 

Go to your local Tessaban (Municipality) and complain to the Public Health official. If they are not up to your standards you can also go and complain to the Amphoe (District Office). They may love the fact they get to kick Burmese around.

If both are useless you can take them to what Thai call Soon Dham Rong Tham (Management Cockpit I think it is in English), which is a tribunal run by military personal and lawyers to free up court time. Local authorities are generally pretty scared of this place, so tell them if they do not put an end to this I will take you here.

Basically, what will happen is they local authorities will need to show the military they have done everything they legally can to stop the matter. If they cannot show they have done this they will get into trouble. Either way, the tribunal will put in place a course of action to stop the event if they deem it as a problem - will probably involve daily fines. It is a lot of work for local authorities to fine people so generally they will just threaten, rather than fine. As the Mayor needs to sign it off, then the police need to be contacted to issue the fine. 

The tribunal place is usually located in the city hall/Governor's office building. Simple nuisance cases like noise on weekends are even taken here if municipality staff haven't put an end to it, so I very much doubt this process can fail this particular case. The whole process is free as it was a military government initiative to help the poor deal with nuisance cases who cant afford lawyers. 

They do cases by queue, usually picking the hardest/most dangerous first. Shouldn't take all that long though, obviously depending on the size of the city. A case I know of was 5-10 days after the initial report. 

On 03/09/2017 at 6:46 AM, bazza73 said:

Maybe it's the difference between being a resident and being a tourist. Although when I first arrived in CM, I found all the people I was dealing with there in terms of scooter and car hire were honest. Perhaps that's another factor in the divide between North and South Thailand.

It is as simple as that. Living vs being a tourist. When my old man came to visit earlier this year I took him to some tourist areas, and they just annoy the crap out of you. Excessively expensive/dishonest compared to what you are used to. Did I ever notice is before living here and only travelling a few times a year, not so much - or I just didn't care as much, Thai locals complain just as much when travelling. Living here ruins travelling so best to do all the travelling before you move (which one should do anyway). 

16 hours ago, way2muchcoffee said:

Right, wrong, or indifferent.   Corporal punishment is the norm in Thai schools, regardless of any law in place.   It is condoned by teachers, school administrators, police, and just about every parent.   Throughout the world there are a wide variety of beliefs and practices with regard to punishment of children.  It is the right of each country to determine a position that is consistent with tradition and cultural values.  It is not my place to judge.

Cultural relativism cannot be used as a reason to withhold judgements. In this case, Thailand, takes positive aspects of other cultures and welcomes them. Which would have to mean they are opening themselves up to judgement from other cultures also. Cant have it both ways. Not to mention, the whole cultural relativism argument doesn't stand to reason if Thailand has already deemed the issue bad enough to change the law/cases make the news.

Issues like female genital mutilation, stoning, and, generally, the abuse of children set out the cultural line of judgement if you like. Seeing as much of the country aren't educated enough to see the benefits of helmets and basic road safety, I wonder if much of what we have previously learnt, just really needs to be better taught to them - which would include how to effectively discipline children without beating the crap out of them. The downfall in Thai is education is just reading and completing a test, no actual application of the knowledge. 

33 minutes ago, chowny77 said:

To be honest the teacher should have talked with the parents about their kids behaviour and then leave it up to the parents to issue what they seemed fit as a punishment, rather than doing it themselves. There is a very thin line between corrective punishment and out right sadistic punishment. I know I was thrashed as a child when I was bad but it made me understand right and wrong. Looking today at this generation, they get away with murder and complain if they get shouted at, let alone if someone would take a belt to them.

 

If physical punishment was effective, then this story wouldn't have made the news in the first place, as in theory the kid should not have misbehaved.  

May come down to various things. For example, medical reasons why a mother cannot breastfeed, may also be lifestyle reasons - work related for example. Then there are also personal reasons, however, from the mothers I have spoken to usually the personal reasons do not outweigh the benefits of breastfeeding. The Public Health officials do push breastfeeding to new mothers and do create advertising programs re the benefits of breastfeeding in Thailand.

In terms of cows milk, powdered milk is supposedly easier to digest for babies. And cow milk shouldn't be used before 1 year old from memory. After that it is fine. But, also there is the thought of the added risk of contamination of milk in Asian countries. Back in Melbourne for example, shoppers were limited to 4 powdered milks due to the Chinese buying them and sending them back home (didn't trust the milk in China). Also when there is a milk crisis farmer feed low quality foods (financial reasons), leading to low quality milks. 

Terms of price, well they can make it whatever price they want. The same with many supplements. The majority of people can get it naturally, but choose not to. Those with legitimate reasons to buy it, end up being unlucky having to fork out so much.

17 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

The proof is readily available if you were not so lazy. You can check with your homeland  MoH or WHO.

 

I appreciate that many people who have the most extreme of views come from marginal backgrounds and an internet forum allows them to adopt a persona far above their actual station in life created by their limited education, laziness and low social status. Sadly,  engaging in displaced aggression against homeless dogs speaks to their ignorance and  explains why they were repeatedly left out of decision making roles in society and why they  are themselves treated like crap by  society.

 

For reference sake, the common approach agreed upon by those who make the decisions in society is as follows;

Past rabies elimination strategies included the reduction of population density through culling, based on the rationale that rabies transmission is density-dependent with disease density increasing proportional to host density. However studies have shown that culling is an ineffective means of elimination and mass vaccination is most efficacious to reduce disease incidence in all species. The Bangladesh canine rabies elimination program focuses primarily on dog bite management and mass dog vaccination to reduce the incidence of human deaths. Since 2011, dog vaccines have been administered in 58 of the 64 districts, combined with local capacity building and knowledge transfer, resulting in a 50% decrease in human rabies deaths, demonstrating the effectiveness of mass vaccination. WHO 2016 statement

 

This is the summary of public rabies prevention as decided upon by contributing public health agencies that included USA, Japan, EU, Australia, Canada New Zealand, South Africa, Israel and others.  Apparently they are all wrong, while you with your non existent knowledge of epidemiology and infectious disease management  have all the answers.

 

http://www.who.int/rabies/control/Poster_Global_framework_for_the_elimination_of_dog-mediated_human_rabies.pdf?ua=1

 

 

 

 

 

Vaccinations also should be done every 3 years, not annually like the Thai officials do. Each area is given x amounts of vaccines, they try and round up every dog they can and call out for locals to bring the dog to be vaccinated. Say they are given 200 vaccines, but there are 600 dogs. Generally what happens is they vaccinate the same 200 dogs every year, as they are the easiest to find. Which is completely useless as the old vaccine blocks the new one. Need to have something like a tattoo process or even an ear tagging process to tell the officials which dogs have been immunised already. Then over the 3 years they will be able to vaccinate 3 times as many dogs - hopefully leading to some sort of herd immunity.