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Who cares if the hour to you is irrelevant. Historical facts are relevant. However the official declaration was the next day. Not that this matters. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had already said Saturday his country was at war with Hamas as the militants’ attack raged, but his assessment was rhetorical. The Cabinet decision was an official declaration of war. Ahead of the Cabinet vote, Netanyahu declared that Israel would “take mighty vengeance” against Hamas, even as Israeli soldiers battled Hamas fighters Sunday in the streets of southern Israel and launched retaliatory airstrikes that leveled buildings in Gaza. https://www.voanews.com/a/israel-officially-declares-war-on-hamas-after-surprise-attack-/7301836.html

"Former hostage Amit Sousanna recounted being raped and tortured by Hamas to the New York Times, whose article on her experiences was published on Tuesday." https://archive.ph/gM4rC I suggest you read one of the other numerous reports including by the UN. Just to clarify, I know you read my posts so instead of being a coward respond to your false claims.

You'll have to excuse me if I'm not particularly concerned for a few israeli soldiers, We already know your not concerned for the women hostages, children or men. A hamas apologist will do all they can to ignore that this is the reason why the war is still ongoing and Hamas could stop it all today.

Now explain what fibs exactly instead of more of your nonsense. But first provide a link to your ridiculous claims the girls are POW's. The declaration of war by Israel was after the hostage taking as a reminder for you. So link to your claims and enough of this timewasting nonsense.

Considering I posted the link to inform you why do you ask me?

No. Your nonsense does not make me need to think I can promise you. Facts trump.

From the OP: “I fully support Hamas. They are resisting occupation, just like the French did against the Germans” I'm pretty sure this guy posts on this forum.....

The numbers spewed out by Hamas on the deaths and casualty figures are becoming a complete joke, that again the UN and other bodies need to address. Its no longer a case of pervious figures being deemed reliable when the reality now is that they are anything but credible. 45% of deaths now come from sources they will not reveal. The latest of numerous reports on this now. Gaza Fatality Data Has Become Completely Unreliable Given the discrepancies in official Palestinian counts and their growing reliance on questionable data from media reports, the credibility gaps revealed by a previous Washington Institute study have become yawning chasms. Heated debates over the Palestinian death toll in the Hamas-Israel war tend to focus on the fact that widely cited fatality numbers make no distinction between combatants and noncombatants. While this is true, it misses a more fundamental problem—the numbers themselves have lost any claim to validity. https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/gaza-fatality-data-has-become-completely-unreliable The numbers of dead in Gaza don’t add up – and there is no easy explanation While in previous rounds of fighting, the numbers were based on official hospital records, this time an increasingly large percentage of reported deaths are coming, not from doctors, but from what the Health Ministry refers to as “reliable media sources”, as well as reports submitted by Gazan citizens via a Google Form. At the time of writing, the authorities say there have been a total of 32,414 deaths. About 54 per cent of those are from hospital records, with 45 per cent coming from other sources. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/terror-and-security/unrwa-staff-death-toll-gaza-israel-hamas-war-data/ https://archive.ph/nssyH

"I fully support Hamas" One of the disgusting quotes from a protestor on video. Hope he got arrested. https://aseannow.com/topic/1323706-rival-gaza-protests-in-london-seethed-with-mutual-animosity-and-angry-divides

Time for WHO, the UN and other bodies to denounce Hamas and blame them for the ongoing use of Hospitals as command centers, places of sanctuary and places to prepare attacks. The silence is deafening but more so, making them complicit in not denouncing them and only attacking Israel and contributing to the collapse of health systems. “The presence of the command room and the terrorists who operated in the hospital yard are further proof of the systematic use of humanitarian and medical infrastructure by the terror organizations in the Gaza Strip as a cover for terrorist activities,” the IDF adds in a statement. Another command center struck yesterday in another hospital. https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1774415269840007334 Israel Gaza: Journalists injured in al-Aqsa hospital air strike Seven journalists, including a freelancer working for the BBC, have been injured in an Israeli air strike in the courtyard of a hospital in Gaza. Four members of the Islamic Jihad (IJ) militant group were killed in the attack, the BBC understands. The Israeli military said it struck an IJ command centre in the grounds of the al-Aqsa Hospital in Deir al-Balah, Hamas and medical staff deny Israeli accusations that militants use hospitals as bases. Islamic Jihad, an ally of Hamas, has not commented. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68704280 IDF says it hit Islamic Jihad command center in Gaza hospital courtyard; medical center undamaged

Considering your the only person making this claim its not only a moot point, its a pie in the sky fantasy point made only to minimize the Hamas atrocities that continue being inflicted on them

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Shifa ongoing, more terrorists leaders getting eliminated https://twitter.com/YaariCohen/status/1774083714072363321

You've not read very many posts then have you.

The point being whether it happened in a vacuum or not, there is absolutely no justification for what happened on Oct 7th no matter what grievances there were and the war did indeed commence after that event.

Credible links Jeff that they are POW's, not your pathetic attempts at minimizing what Hamas is doing and what they are. hostages held in horrific tunnels in Gaza probably getting sexually abused. Oh and there was no war when they were kidnapped, that came the next day when Israel declared it. I always provide links to my claims, unlike you. According to the 24-page report, there is "clear and convincing" information suggesting that sexual violence, including rape, sexualized torture, and other forms of abuse, was committed against hostages held in captivity by Hamas in Gaza. Moreover, there are "reasonable grounds" to believe that such violence is ongoing against those still held captive.

Yes the link I posted does not say they are POW's. More nonsense its not up to me to prove what Hamas is providing its up to you to prove your sick claim they are POW's. https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/geneva-convention-relative-treatment-prisoners-war

What nonsense? You know exactly what nonsense claiming they are POW's, link to a credible report that agrees with you. Nobody does. Even if Hamas did it would then by obliged to give them all the rights via the Geneva Convention which they are certainly not getting now.

Actually the source is Israel and COGAT.

Because you are lying, go away

Stop this nonsense, they are hostages that are also probably being sexually abused by terrorists. The ICJ, Security Council and just about every other body in the world involved with this did not say free the Prisoners of War. What a sad attempt at minimizing such a horrific war crime being carried out by Hamas

Why are you asking him if he's Israeli? What difference does that make to you?

A few more facts that the UN or media fail to mention. #Facts And I dare any official UN body to contradict the numbers bellow. In white- number of trucks entering Gaza from Israel at Kerem Shalom. In Blue- number of truckloads picked up by UN for distribution Conclusion: EVERY DAY goods are coming in and NOT being picked up for distribution. They accumulate in UNOPS depot on the Gaza side of Kerem Shalom, tons and tons of good. See photo in following post below. https://twitter.com/IditAbu/status/1773727618392543593

The UN source for imports of trucks and what they contain, food or goods etc can be found published by them here. For food there was a dip when the war first started but its now generally at levels before the war or above. Latest entries Jan 2024 https://www.ochaopt.org/data/crossings

I know someone that does need to wake up and its not me. The United Nations has released a report indicating evidence of rape and sexual abuse during the October 7 Hamas onslaught against southern Israel. The report, presented by Pramila Patten, the UN special representative on sexual violence in conflict, at a press conference in New York, outlines disturbing findings based on extensive evidence-gathering efforts. According to the 24-page report, there is "clear and convincing" information suggesting that sexual violence, including rape, sexualized torture, and other forms of abuse, was committed against hostages held in captivity by Hamas in Gaza. Moreover, there are "reasonable grounds" to believe that such violence is ongoing against those still held captive. https://aseannow.com/topic/1321564-un-finds-evidence-of-rape-on-oct-7-and-after-israel-they-tried-to-downplay-issue/