Bkk Brian

For starters, you're quoting a report from 2012... And? Perhaps you should read my first post in the thread.

Correct, read the OP, it was not claiming Genocide, but if your going to attack the messenger (Telegraph) rather than listen to what he has to say which is also backed up by other reports then you have very little. HRW report. I am sure you can find it

Did he claim there was genocide going on? Also from Reuters Farm murders highlight apartheid's toxic legacy in South Africa ERMELO, South Africa (Reuters) - In a country cursed by one of the world's highest murder rates, being a white farmer makes a violent death an even higher risk. Whether attacks have been motivated by race or robbery, a rising death rate from rural homicides is drawing attention to the lack of change on South Africa's farms nearly two decades after the end of apartheid - and to the tensions burgeoning over enduring racial inequality. Some of South Africa's predominantly white commercial farmers go as far as to brand the farm killings a genocide. https://archive.ph/CbLHQ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-safrica-farming-crime/farm-murders-highlight-apartheids-toxic-legacy-idUSBRE8AS02120121129/

There's plenty of reports that show just how bias the BBC have been on this by omission. I've already posted a couple, there are many more

An opinion piece that carries weight. It was not claiming genocide. Why did the BBC not make mention of independent reports from the UN?

I wont bother replying as you just make edits once I've already responded, very dishonest.

"The BBC has come under fire from South African businessman Robert Hersov, who accused the broadcaster of downplaying violence against white farmers in South Africa and exhibiting what he called a “Leftist” bias in its reporting." Read the OP Oh and nice edit after I had already replied............ More strawman though, the OP is not about that.

All a bit of a strawman though, the OP is not about claiming there is Genocide it is about the BBC bias in their reports about it.

Just as well really, there's over 2,600 Chinese students there, send em packing back to China, great. Maybe one of the other large groups, the Indians may want to go there too but doubt it.

Why. To further your off topic deflections?

Actually no, not attempts to discredit, many of those things referred to the post you responded to are factual as evidenced by the BBC themselves having to pull programmes and apologize when exposed, let alone break their own guidelines over 1000 times.

Actually quite a bit over the years if you dig in. The problem is there's very little data, its all controlled by SA so what comes out can be limited. There are so many variables. How disproportionate is it? What are the reasons for attacks/murders, criminality? Yes mainly for all the black farmers but not for the whites where racism is the motive? Here's just a couple, plenty more. Of course the BBC will not cover this, if its to do with Trump then they'll be as bias as possible. Farm murders highlight apartheid's toxic legacy in South Africa ERMELO, South Africa (Reuters) - In a country cursed by one of the world's highest murder rates, being a white farmer makes a violent death an even higher risk. Whether attacks have been motivated by race or robbery, a rising death rate from rural homicides is drawing attention to the lack of change on South Africa's farms nearly two decades after the end of apartheid - and to the tensions burgeoning over enduring racial inequality. Some of South Africa's predominantly white commercial farmers go as far as to brand the farm killings a genocide. https://archive.ph/CbLHQ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-safrica-farming-crime/farm-murders-highlight-apartheids-toxic-legacy-idUSBRE8AS02120121129/ White farmers 'being wiped out' Over 3,000 have been killed since 1994. Now the ANC is accused of fanning the hate. Inside his farmhouse Pieter Cillier, 57, slept with his 14-year-old daughter Nikki at his side. His 12-year-old son JD was having a sleepover with two teenagers in an adjoining room. As the intruders broke in, the farmer woke. He rushed to stop them, only to be shot twice in the chest. In his death throes he would have seen his killers and then his children standing over him, screaming and crying. Cillier’s murder, at Christmas, was barely reported in the local press. It was, after all, everyday news. https://web.archive.org/web/20100603141223/http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article7078730.ece

Sarah Milgrim, one of the slaughtered victims in an interview from 8 years ago. 8 years ago, a then 17-year old Sarah Milgrim was interviewed by local news after antisemitic graffiti was discovered at her high school in Kansas. She said she was already afraid going to her synagogue. Y-day, she was shot dead by a communist terrorist in D.C. for being Jewish

Reminder of why this war started and why it will never finish until the terrorists release all hostages, lay down arms, the leaders banished from Gaza and all terrorists involved in Oct 7th eliminated or captured including the wannabe terrorist civilians who participated as below. Israeli survivor recalls Oct 7 horrors: Palestinian civilians dragged a woman from her car, raped and mutilated her while laughing, then continued the assault after her death. They later hunted down a fleeing couple and butchered them with axes.

Starmer trying to walk this back on numbers........lol Labour want EU youth mobility scheme to be capped at 100,000 One government source said that the UK was hoping to cap the number of EU citizens arriving under the youth mobility scheme at between 70,000 and 80,000. Others pointed to Labour’s commitment to reduce migration, saying that it would not be compatible with a cap of more than about 100,000. Some in Brussels, however, have said that the number should be set on a pro rata basis with Britain’s existing schemes. Given the EU’s population of 450 million, this could mean a limit of half a million or more. https://archive.ph/qyvFQ https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-eu-youth-mobility-scheme-cap-6frnqtkmf

You need to get your facts straight and stop spreading misinformation, that figure of 4,950 deaths is from 2022/23 not as you again falsely claimed the winter following the introduction of means testing of the winter fuels allowance. You just cant help yourself can you.

He should have a word with Hamas BREAKING: Video shows Hamas looting the aid trucks entering Gaza. Under international law, Israel not only has a right, but a duty to not send aid if Hamas steals it.

You need to read who I was responding to and why before making an irrelevant response

So your now confirming that you made things up and there were deaths. Great. I won't wait for an apology to the previous false claims you made. Can you provide a link to your new claim there were 4,950 in the winter following the Labour’s implementation of means testing.

Lame and disrespectful deflection for a barbaric act and the murder of these two people. There is never an excuse for this and it has made his cause worse. If there was ever a time for reckoning in the anti-Israel movement, this is it. The cold-blooded murder of Yaron Lischinsky and Sarah Milgrim in Washington, D.C., last night should mark the beginning of the end — preferably the end of the end — of the zombie belief that the only path to a “Free Palestine” is to abolish Israel. Now we see where that eliminationist ideology can lead: to murder. https://forward.com/opinion/722443/elias-rodriguez-anti-israel-gaza/

Read the topic and stop the games, at least one was and they both worked for the Israeli Embassy and were due to marry soon, now both dead.

No, it means he wanted to kill Israelis and that's exactly what he did, kill innocent Israelis

That is a quote that has not been verified from Steve Witkoff. This has however, you can listen to him say it: Steve Witkoff personally thanked Prime Minister Netanyahu and said the hostage deal could not have happened without him. “Mr. Prime Minister, I told Edan and his family everything you did to make this happen over the past few days. It was a tense negotiation, and your leadership — the way you allowed the process to move forward — was critical. That’s a big part of why Edan is home with his family today.”

Yes plenty, 1000's of elderly die each year because of the cold. The question you should be asking is how many were there because of the policy instead of making unsubstantiated claims. Labour did its own research and came up with a figure, remember? New ONS figures reveal cold homes death toll https://www.nea.org.uk/news/271120-01/ Winter deaths  2.5 million avoidable deaths over the last 60 years  Every winter in England and Wales one older person dies every seven minutes from the cold  November 2015 ONS figures show that over the winter of 2014/15 there were a staggering 40,800 excess winter deaths among the over 65s from cold-related illness https://www.ageuk.org.uk/siteassets/documents/reports-and-publications/reports-and-briefings/health--wellbeing/age_uk_excess_winter_deaths_briefing_june_2016.pdf 4,950 excess winter deaths caused by cold homes last winter https://www.endfuelpoverty.org.uk/4950-excess-winter-deaths-caused-by-cold-homes-last-winter/ Now back to your claim: "No Grannies froze."

By the way, he's a far right finance minister and it was an opinion. Also missed out this: civilians moved to a "humanitarian zone"