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And here it is, you have free speech Trump but you also have to face the consequences for it, seeing as you can't keep your mouth shut and threaten people. Prosecutors ask judge to issue protective order after Trump post appearing to promise revenge The Justice Department on Friday asked a federal judge overseeing the criminal case against former President Donald Trump in Washington to step in after he released a post online that appeared to promise revenge on anyone who goes after him. Prosecutors asked U.S. District Court Judge Tanya Chutkan to issue a protective order in the case a day after Trump pleaded not guilty to charges of trying to overturn the results of his 2020 election loss and block the peaceful transition of power. The order — which is different from a so-called “gag order” — would limit what sensitive information Trump and his legal team could share publicly about the case brought by special counsel Jack Smith. https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/prosecutors-judge-issue-protective-order-after-trump-post-102037233 New: Special Counsel files proposed protective order in Trump 2020 election case, specifically referencing Trump’s post “IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I’M COMING AFTER YOU!” as having potentially chilling effects on witnesses https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23898465/protectiveorder.pdf

"Just waiting now for him to violate his release deal:" He just did according to some: Approximately 24 hours later, the ex-president posted the following to his Truth Social account: "IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I'M COMING AFTER YOU!" "This is the kind of thing that DOJ alerts the court to with respect to any defendant out on bail (in this case, in 3 criminal cases, and also is a threat in civil cases like E Jean Carroll)," former prosecutor Andrew Weissmann posted on X. "Not addressing this will only cause it to metastasize with undue deadly risks." https://www.newsweek.com/trumps-new-threat-crosses-line-ex-prosecutor-1817684

"Discussing these matters here seems like a wasp nest! Still it doesnt legitimate Putins war crimes and actions against Ukraine! " Right so back to the matters in hand which is what this topic is about. Hopefully some good news breaking: Seismic measuring stations in Romania and Bulgaria have picked up 3 distinct explosions along the Crimean Bridge & https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1687585846445125632

This is scary and disturbing that they have planned these abductions for this purpose. Child abductions’ are Russian plan to weaken Ukraine, says UK envoy Britain’s ambassador to Ukraine, Melinda Simmons, has characterised Russia’s alleged mass abduction of children from Ukraine as a deliberate strategy to sever ties between Ukraine and the “next generation that will defend the country”. Simmons told the Ukrainian news outlet ArmyInform that the alleged abductions were part of its “hybrid invasion” of the country. Children taken or kept by Russia were “subject to an extraordinary, relentless range of brainwashing”, Simmons said, which “creates a psychological barrier between the kids and their parents”. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/01/russia-alleged-child-abductions-ukraine-defence-uk-ambassador

Again there are 4 separate counts against Trump. Count 1, conspiracy to defraud the United States, up to 5 years, fine of $250,000 or both Count 2, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, up to 20 years, fine of $250,000 or both Count 3 is obstruction of an official proceeding, carries with it the same penalties as count 2. “Count 4 in the indictment is conspiracy against rights. If convicted of this charge, sir, you can face a term of imprisonment of not more than 10 years, a fine of not more than $250000 or both. Supervised released up to 3 years.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/03/trump-court-election-charges-arraignment/ Section 241 being used on the 4th count is there because: The Trump campaign targeted election results in Georgia’s Fulton County where it is 42% Black, Chatham County where it is 41% black, Michigan’s Wayne County, home of Detroit, a city with a population that is roughly 80 per cent Black. Wisconsin’s Milwaukee County, where the campaign demanded a recount and singled out a county with the largest population of Black voters in the state; roughly 70 per cent of the state’s Black. The campaign also sought to undermine results in Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania, where 43 per cent of the population is Black, and 15 per cent Hispanic or Latino. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/title-18-usc-section-241-indictment-trump-b2386168.html

Have you read the indictments and the 4 separate counts? I suggest you do because only one is using section 241 which you are referring to and there is a very good reason for it.

Gone off in their own little world and ignore the poll results. No surprises there.

Literally nothing will change their minds, its truly a cult for the hardcore followers. Nobody can forget these remarks by their leader. "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" Trump remarked at a campaign stop at Dordt College in Sioux Center, Iowa. "It's, like, incredible." https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/23/464129029/donald-trump-i-could-shoot-somebody-and-i-wouldnt-lose-any-voters

What's so funny? You should read exactly why they have used it. Shrewd move. Section 241 has also been used to prosecute a wider range of election subversion, including threatening or intimidating voters, impersonating voters, destroying ballots and preventing the official count of ballots. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/08/01/trump-indictment-civil-rights-law/ https://archive.ph/dgScM

Transcript released about an hour ago, 141 pages long! Not read it so no idea. Transcript: https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Devon-Archer-Transcript.pdf Documents referred to in transcript: https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/DA-Exhibits.pdf READ: Devon Archer interview transcript released by House Oversight panel The House Oversight and Accountability Committee has released a transcript for its interview with Devon Archer, a former business associate of Hunter Biden. The 141-page document covers Archer’s hours-long interview Monday attended by Reps. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.) and Dan Goldman (D-N.Y.) with counsel and staffers. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4135288-read-devon-archer-interview-transcript-released-by-house-oversight-panel/ https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-releases-devon-archers-transcribed-interview-transcript/

Here's an idea then, let Trump sell one of his own golf course so he can pay his legal fees rather than relying on his grassroot supporters to pay them.

Well I was referring to these indictments but there's a little more on that in a new topic. "Some analysts have suggested that Mr Trump could try to pardon himself if he was convicted and then won the election." https://aseannow.com/topic/1302434-could-trump-go-to-prison-and-other-key-questions/

Lets hope he gets that conviction first. If so from then on its all uncharted territory. One scenario is that he can still be president from jail, but if he is president he can technically also pardon himself so no need for Supreme court. Although I guess at some point they would be involved in some way. The other scenario is of course he does not get enough votes to win the election so I guess then yes it would eventually end up in Supreme Court?

You keep stating that people should believe the article. I do, it seems you do not. They were not talking about business as has been clearly laid out in the article that you say should be believed. A quote from you above: Why did you come here if you don't believe what is in the article? What are you even doing?

Not often I cite the New York Post but on this occasion: https://nypost.com/cover/august-2-2023/

That link is from March. This is what Pence said yesterday “Today's indictment serves as an important reminder: anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be President of the United States,” Jack Smith was not appointed till November 2022. Jack was quick and nimble.

Another one that's not read the indictment

Nice deflection I asked what they were talking about, you did not answer that despite it being in the article and again you refuse to achknowledge the contents of the article by saying it was not over 10 years: "The witness indicated that Hunter spoke to his father every day," Goldman said. "And approximately 20 times over the course of [a] 10-year relationship, Hunter may have put his father on the phone with any number of different people, and they never once spoke about any business dealings. As he described it, it was all casual conversation, niceties, the weather, 'what's going on?' There wasn't a single conversation about any of the business dealings that Hunter had."

What in the article was he speaking about on the numerous occasions of 20 times over 10 years?

They article makes no mention of Joe being involved in his sons business stop the false representations of what it says.

They are not all like this but...........................

Do 70 million still want him as President after this? That's yet to be decided.

The important thing here is that the grand jury saw the evidence and believe it compelling enough to issue the indictments. The indictment no matter which media its reported from remains the same.

Precisely, he was probably one of those interviewed in this piece.....lol 'It's a hoax': New charges cannot shake Trump supporters' loyalty "Well it's a hoax," he says, when I ask about allegations that Trump subverted the will of the American people in attempting to overturn the result of the 2020 election. Deflecting attention to the legal travails of the president's second son is a common refrain of the Trump faithful and you hear it a lot around here. https://news.sky.com/story/its-a-hoax-new-charges-cannot-shake-trump-supporters-loyalty-12932141

Strange comment. Its not a Constitutional requirement to carry a gun in Washington. The reason he was there is because Trump put out Obamas address on truth Social and this idiot took up the challenge: Taylor Taranto allegedly made "several concerning statements" while livestreaming outside the Obama home, prosecutors said in a memo ahead of Taranto's detention hearing originally set for Wednesday afternoon. In the detention memo, the government also alleges Taranto re-posted a post from former President Donald Trump citing what was supposedly the location of the Obama home. "On Telegram, Taranto then stated, 'We got these losers surrounded! See you in hell, Podesta's and Obama's,'" according to prosecutors. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/man-guns-arrested-obama-home-attempted-evade-secret/story?id=100721557