Bkk Brian

I suggest your judgement on the good faith of your exchanges is flawed. Especially when you resort to personal attacks

Your question to me: "Doesn't the woman in some way consent to this responsibility when she chooses to have sex?" My reply to you for the third time: "When did choosing to have sex also insinuate you want a baby?" Either take it or don't, I really don't care but your instance on not working out the logic of answering my question first says you have no idea and all you are doing is baiting.

Think you better do a search for protests in all the republican states that did an immediate ban. Each one have large protesters

This is not correct, a surgical abortion before 14 weeks involves no needles. This period is known as the first trimester. The vast majority of abortions – around nine-in-ten – occur during the first trimester of a pregnancy. In 2019, 93% of abortions occurred during the first trimester. The last recorded statistics in the US was 2019 In 2019, 56% of legal abortions in clinical settings occurred via some form of surgery, while 44% were medication abortions involving pills, according to the CDC. Any abortions after 14 weeks (second trimester) are normally only for medical reasons and then an injection is made through the abdomen into the fluid around the fetus or the fetus to stop the heartbeat. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/24/what-the-data-says-about-abortion-in-the-u-s-2/

The Russian's did not say that though: UKRAINSKA PRAVDA — FRIDAY, 17 JUNE 2022, 18:53 Russian President Vladimir Putin says Russia is not threatening the world with nuclear weapons, but warns that it is ready to use them in the event of a threat to [Russia’s] sovereignty. So basically if there's an incursion onto their territory. However its ok for Russia to invade other countries that did away with their own nuclear weapons such as Ukraine in the Budapest Memorandum where Russia then promised never to invade Ukraine or attack it.

Belarus being drawn in. They were having military exercises there last week now low and behold, Russia is striking Ukraine from Belarus territory. Ukraine reports 'massive bombardment' from Belarus Ukraine said it came under "massive bombardment" Saturday from neighbouring Belarus, a Russian ally not officially involved in the conflict, the day after announcing a retreat from the strategic city of Severodonetsk. Twenty rockets targeted the village of Desna in the northern Chernigiv region, Ukraine's northern military command said in a statement, adding that infrastructure was hit, but no casualties had yet been reported. "Today's strike is directly linked to Kremlin efforts to pull Belarus as a co-belligerent into the war in Ukraine," the Ukrainian intelligence service said. https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220625-massive-bombardment-of-ukraine-originates-from-belarus-border-region

Same reply. When did choosing to have sex also insinuate you want a baby?

when did choosing to have sex also insinuate you want a baby? This is a completely different argument and full of if's and buts, but more than happy to pursue it if you want?

Yes in my opinion it far outways the mans feelings because not only does the woman also have feelings but she also has the physical aspects of the pregnancy for 9 months. But then I've mentioned that already in my posts to you.

No womens rights argument. Something mentioned in all my posts

Sadder for the woman

Yes I follow quite clearly and my post was also clear. The women has the ultimate decision not the man. Simple as that

Then as my post said, she has the burden of 9 months pregnancy and can make her choice.

If that was the case then the woman probably wouldn't want an abortion in the first place and so has made her decision and kept her rights to that decision but I can't speak for women, only they can as they are the ones who have the burden.

What if that man is abusive, what if the relationship is toxic? What if that man has already left the relationship?

Well its only in republican states that the ban is currently in effect so that could be the reason. The ruling has been posted in this tread and it clearly gives the onus to states to decide themselves, so that's whats happening ending up with many now banning abortions with more still to come after they sort out the details. 'It's now up to the states': Republicans move to ban abortion after Roe falls Red state governors and attorneys general moved swiftly to ban access to the procedure and announced special legislative sessions to restrict abortion in the minutes and hours after the Supreme Court’s decision. Their blue state counterparts quickly issued executive orders and announced new policies to protect abortion and prevent abortion-rights opponents from prosecuting providers and patients for pregnancies terminated legally in their state’s borders. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/24/states-abortion-laws-supreme-court-00042390

I've no intention of giving you a break................. The truth is its been outlawed in many states with more to come, twist it as much as you want but those are the facts. There's no guarantee that people can get abortions in liberal states, either

Absolutely aside from the awful cases of unwanted children through rape there are so many other genuine reasons for seeking an abortion. Abusive relationships, partners not wanting a child, to young, teenagers who are just not ready for the demands of a baby, have school, university and their careers to consider. Women who are too old even have a genuine reason, health concerns, drug or alcohol issues, the list is long and in my opinion as you rightly stated this will lead to more unwanted children and for many of those children to end up in care or an unwanted environment.

No surprise there with his flip flops, wants to keep his buddies onboard

More threats coming in thick and fast Russian MP Urges Attack on U.S. Embassy in Kyiv for Supplying Ukraine Arms Yury Shvytkin, deputy chairman of the Russian parliament's defense committee, told the Russian news outlet Lenta.ru that delivery to Ukraine's forces of the High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) showed the U.S. was "moving step by step towards a Third World War." Kyiv said on Thursday that the first batch of the systems had arrived and more multiple launch rocket systems are expected from Western allies. "I think the main decision-making center is the U.S. Embassy. I think that sooner or later this will become a target for the Russian armed forces," https://www.newsweek.com/yury-shvytkin-lenta-russia-ukraine-embassy-1718801

Even Trump said it was a bad idea for the Republican party: Mr. Trump has told people repeatedly that he believes it will be “bad for Republicans.” The decision, Mr. Trump has told friends and advisers, will anger suburban women, a group who helped tilt the 2020 presidential race to Joseph R. Biden Jr., and will lead to a backlash against Republicans in the November midterm elections. In other conversations, Mr. Trump has told people that measures like the six-week abortion ban in Texas, which allows people to file lawsuits against those who enable abortions beyond that time-frame, are “so stupid,” From the NYT wayback machine so no paywall: https://web.archive.org/web/20220625015504/https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/06/24/us/midterm-primary-elections#trump-roe-wade-republicans

He was also a qualified lawyer and still is.

Well it appears every report you link to needs scrutinizing, did you read the actual report, ie the source? I highly doubt it as the toxic Quilliam Foundation is no longer in existence. It closed, its owner having flirtations with Q-Anon conspiracy theories about the US elections and the electoral defeat of Donald Trump. Quilliam published a report claiming that 84 percent of “grooming gang offenders” were Asian. This was later debunked by the Home Office’s own report which I have already linked to. The phrase “grooming gangs” is biased in itself because it has no legal or social scientific meaning so is malleable for any preconceived Islamophobic or racialised narrative. Definition from the UK Gov: "The term 'grooming gangs' can be interpreted in different ways - an online network facilitating the grooming of children, an urban street-based gang, or an organised criminal network where grooming may be a feature, amongst other criminality. This means that data are not readily recoverable and would require a lengthy and detailed examination of individual crime reports to determine number of arrests." “Grooming gang” is not a legal category. Group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE) falls under a range of offences, from rape to conspiracy to incite prostitution. Maajid Nawaz, the chairman of Quilliam was also sacked by LBC radio because of this. How could such an organisation end up falling for the increasingly deranged ramblings of the alt-right, Nawaz’s embrace of its ethos was entirely predictable given that, for most of the past decade, the Quilliam Foundation has been supported by pro-Trump Republican donors through whom it has received some $3 million of ‘dark money’. This is not the first time that Nawaz and Quilliam have flirted with far-right purveyors of xenophobia. Haras Rafiq, Nawaz’s chief executive at Quilliam, has previously worked with the notorious anti-Muslim conspiracy theorist Frank Gaffney. He was also accused of tweeting 'deranged rubbish' about vaccines by fellow host Iain Dale and was criticised for spreading Covid conspiracy theories. When bad evidence is worse than no evidence: Quilliam’s “grooming gangs” report and its legacy It’s rare to find a publication so flawed and yet so influential as the Quilliam Foundation’s report on “grooming gangs”. The “study” also suffers from a glaring lack of transparency: beyond the vague and essentially meaningless assertion that “extensive data mining methods” were used, virtually nothing is revealed about the data, since the authors neither reveal their methods nor list more than a handful of the cases they analysed, their work can’t be replicated or verified. Such secrecy is odd since the data seems to come from open sources (media reports, most likely)

I did'nt say it was ridiculous that certain states were banning abortion, I clearly said that you claiming womens rights are not affected was ridiculous, comprehend? Clearly written and clearly understood as no rights to abortion read the whole page not just the highlighted section:

Taking away abortion rights is taking away womens rights, that's exactly what the court has done and many states are following up on that. No matter how you want to spin it.