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One major issue with Thailand bank apps and all their electronic banking is that they do not guarantee that apps are 100% hack proof. They don't protect the consumer against unauthorized transactions. Even if it is the banks fault of an unauthorized transaction, as indicated in many news articles, the bank will take months to reimburse the victims.

10 minutes ago, Crossy said:

 

Get yourself a proper insulation tester and learn how to use it and you'll be good to go.

 

But one doesn't usually use a voltmeter for measuring earth leakage anyway.

 

I've already given you some solutions, if you choose to ignore them that's your problem.

 

I went through this thread again, and I don't see any recommendations from you other than to clean the rebar connection and in this last post, about getting a insulation tester. The original question has never been answered, "how to find the voltage leak source to the ground wire".

The voltage is getting into the ground wire and yes, verified by the using a volt meter and a voltage sensor and if the water valve grounding is disconnected, there is tingling feeling when touching the shower hose. This is not answering the question, what is the source!

I am eager to try most any practical solution. What do you think about pulling the neutrals out of the breaker box, and if one neutral stops the voltage into the ground, then examine/replace that circuit or suspect components attached to the circuit?

Anybody have any ideas on how to find where the voltage is going to the ground wire, even when all the breakers are turned off?

1 minute ago, Crossy said:

OK RCBO - check

 

That there's a wire running to the building steel at least means there's been an attempt to get a decent ground in there (how good does that connection look?).

 

System would be TT, no apparent link N-E at the board.

 

That your RCBO isn't tripping suggests that there isn't a dangerous leak, does that tingle go away if you link the existing ground to the water-pipe?

 

 

In the distribution room, rebar is old (30-35 yrs.) completely rusty. I don't have access to the distribution room right now, its locked. What is TT?

Tingle disappears when the ground wire is connected to the brass water valve, which controls the water coming into the condo.

Could the leak be increasing my electricity consumption/bill?

Why do you think it is capacitive coupling when all the breakers are off? I do feel a slight tingle on the shower hose. That big wire connected to the ground bar runs to the power distribution room for the entire floor, and is connected to exposed building rebar. I own the condo. I appreciate your help!

2 minutes ago, Crossy said:

 

What are you using as the reference point for the 4.5V? (where is the other lead of your voltmeter?)

 

It's 99.99% chance there's no problem at all, but could you post a photo of your distribution board with the lid off (care please). We need to see what supply connection you have in order to be sure if there's an issue or not.

One lead is on the ground circuit, second is on a brass value on the water line. Voltage goes to zero, if the ground circuit is connected to the brass valve. If the ground circuit is not connected to the brass valve, with all breakers on or off, I can feel a slight tingling when touching metallic shower hose. This is in an old condo, and the building has no inherent ground wiring.

It's difficult to judge. The balcony is private property, and one can do as they please on their property. If you are looking from a public space into private property, the looker maybe considered a peeping tom, and therefore committing a crime. Looking into other people's homes isn't polite.

On 4/2/2024 at 7:21 AM, Crossy said:

 

How much is your "little bit"?

 

In a TNC-S (MEN) system such as we have in Thailand it's quite possible for there to be a small portion of the overall neutral current flowing through individual ground rods.

 

Unless the voltage in question is significant there is no issue.

 

It is possible that you are seeing a symptom of a poor joint in the neutral somewhere upstream from your location, but in order to know we need to know the magnitude of your "little bit" and what you are using as the reference point.

It is 4.5 volts in the ground line.

How do I find the source of this voltage? I turn off all the individual breakers, but it doesn't disappear until the main breaker is off.

On 4/3/2024 at 6:47 AM, bluejets said:

A megger is used on all disconnected circuits to determine their "leakage" or down to earth value.

Interpreting these values is another issue.

Your "voltage sensor" is not worth didly squat as a measurement or indication of any problem.

 

I don't want to argue with you, but I disagree with your comment. My voltage sensor has proven to very valuable and effective tool when doing any electrical work.

When a voltage sensor is touched to a ground wire, it signals a little bit of AC voltage. I turned off all the individual breakers, try isolating the bleeding circuit, and still the ground wire shows a little bit of voltage. Finally, I turned off the main breaker and now the ground wire shows no voltage.  How do I find what is leaking to the ground circuit?

Try LK Metro. Walking street is a late start, 23:00-2400; Chiyapum is also active. Soi 6, should go early, 6 or 7pm, good ones disappear quickly.

On 3/27/2024 at 9:35 AM, bamnutsak said:

 

So what does Sweden have to swallow?

50,000 tons of Thai rice.

9 hours ago, Dolf said:

Chinese do

Chinese dump (#2) on beach road in Pattaya and just walk away.

I hope they proceed with 24 hours a day 7 days a week construction. That area always has heavy traffic. There seem to be no residential buildings on that section of the road.

Lots of times, there is nobody, or only 2 or 3 people, on the job in many of Pattaya's public road construction job sites. Sometimes there is no progress for weeks.

On 3/14/2024 at 6:03 AM, jacko45k said:

Are there any beaches in the Pattaya area that are 'private'? I can only think of the one on the Naval base near Sattahip. We had a bit of  fuss about encroachment and construction at the back of Sukhawadee House some years back but I thought that was resolved. 

Looks like there are multiple Sukhawadee House facilities. One did get torn down. 

Does anyone know what the public beach land depth is from the high water mark?

Many of motorcycle rental places block public parking spots with various space savers like orange cones, reserving space for bike returns like this guy. Also lots of rental bikes just permanently occupy public parking spaces.

On 3/14/2024 at 6:03 AM, jacko45k said:

Are there any beaches in the Pattaya area that are 'private'? I can only think of the one on the Naval base near Sattahip. We had a bit of  fuss about encroachment and construction at the back of Sukhawadee House some years back but I thought that was resolved. 

During Covid there was a court case that said a tourist attraction, with lots of lights,  south of Chol Chan resort, was on public beach property and it had to be removed. However, it is still there with multiple signs that indicate 2,000 baht fine if you enter without a ticket. Looks like its the place you mention.

On 3/14/2024 at 6:03 AM, jacko45k said:

Are there any beaches in the Pattaya area that are 'private'? I can only think of the one on the Naval base near Sattahip. We had a bit of  fuss about encroachment and construction at the back of Sukhawadee House some years back but I thought that was resolved. 

What about kids that actually performed the murder, do they walk free? None should walk free. Should be put into juvenile detention centres for at least 5 years, with no chance of early release.

Some the parents pay zero baht. Kid just does community service.

Nothing has been done to the Police officer who forced a false confession from the husband.

See here:

The Bank of Thailand told the banks to avoid NPLs during COVID by offering non-paying customers alternatives, like stop payments on a loan. BOT didn't want Thailand looking bad financially during COVID and was hoping things would get back to normal after COVID. Of course the banks didn't stop accumulating interest on those loans, and interest started compounding upon interest and principal, resulting in a loan balance greater than the original loaned amount.  Delaying payments helped some, but lots of people didn't understand the consequences of not paying when due and the Bankers' sympathetic offer to not foreclose during COVID.

Borrowers now realize the asset is worth less than the loan balance, so they stop paying, which results in a NPL. Then the Bank takes ownership of the collateral, and tries to sell it. Lots of assets, like used motor vehicles are available, so no need to buy new.

On 3/12/2024 at 7:32 AM, HappyExpat57 said:

Curious - who is your target audience with this post? Most people on this forum know to keep our heads down and our mouths zipped regarding the outing of upper management in this country. "Nothing to see here, move along."

 

Or are you competing with GG for the worst post of the day?

No competition here.

Well the government of Thailand authorities and news media do read social media, perhaps even aseannow.  I am hoping someone takes interests in enforcing the laws around Pattaya for public access to beaches as they are starting to do in Phuket province.

25 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

True but at least in Thailand, if you can show you owned something (including cash) before you were married, that remains yours and does not form part of any division in the event of a divorce.

But the growth in assets and the debts, during marriage, are divided. To be exposed to losing half the growth in assets and gaining half the debt during marriage, will amount to a net loss for me.