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2 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Because it IS of interest to many people.

nonsense - it is because they can't publish real news and either have to fill space or one of the staff is a friend of the deceased

6 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Hear, hear, although I'd suggest that "spectacularly" would be a better word then "rather"!

sadly you are the bootless and unhorsed with no understanding of the media

Why do you think this SHOULD be published?

2 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

So what?

 

The woman's death has already been well covered.

OK where? So why do they need to cover this mans death. A lot of volumn inches but no real detail?

The media in Thailand is highly restricted in what they can cover so there is a tendency to fill space with these sort of non stories.

10 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

Where is the "sick comment" emoji when you need it?

Do you really think that hospitals in Thailand stick to the truth when giving cause of death??? THeir main criteria is "what do they want to here/ what did you have in mind?"

5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Its quite likely that his family was told how he died or at least the circumstances of his death 

or a suitable story made up by the hospital or authorities

54 minutes ago, Adventurer1 said:

. Have you noticed that  internet sites are censored now that never were until recently ? 

more likely is that you have only just noticed how internet sites have ALWAYS been heavily censored in Thailand

4 hours ago, Korat Kiwi said:

Some of what you wrote on Monday I agree with. 

 

Particularly with learned or passed down bad driving habits.  Parents don't always make the best teachers! 

 

Prior to getting a full unrestricted motorbike licence in NZ I attended a few Ride for Life courses. 

 

It taught me a lot and highlighted many faults in my level of riding.  As a result I became more safe on the road, aware of more hazards etc etc

 

That is perhaps one of the many reasons why so many die on the roads here. Lack of education. 

The 5 tenets of road safety are as follows

Enforcement

Engineering

Education

Evaluation

Emergency.

You can't have one without the others.

Education is not just a single test or course...it is a matter of life long learning. Most countries have road safety education campaigns.

A lot of the posters on AN got their licences at a time when road tests for licences were a joke.

What is more important is what you learn afterwards....and in many cases that can be nothing.

What is really needed is not the learning by rote so typical of taking a test, but giving people the tools to learn and develop as they continue to use roads.

Sadly that is rare 

It seems this article's primary purpose is to publicise the GFM .

I don't see how this death warrants do much column space and the tragic death in a road accident of the woman is reduced to a foot note....yet the latter clearly raises more issues.

So presumably he knows that it has burst into flames again?

1 hour ago, susanlea said:

Warming has boosted crops by 35% to feed the extra 2bn people since 2000.

 

How sad you don't know anything about science.

 

like Brexit, moon landings and vaccines?

You don't have science, you have symptoms.

11 hours ago, susanlea said:

At 0.15 per decade you only get to 1 degree extra by 2100 so the scenarios they are talking about are complete nonsense. They must be begging for grants and trying to scam people.

apparently in the 1970s and 80s they were working for Exxon. - ExxonMobil: Oil giant predicted climate change in 1970s - scientists. One of the world's largest oil companies accurately forecast how climate change would cause global temperature to rise as long ago as the 1970s, 

7 hours ago, susanlea said:

There is no emergency. Population increased by 2bn since 2000 and world hunger fell so people can see the climate talk as a scam which it is. Warming helps humans as cold kills far more people and crops. Anyone with an education above 6th grade can work out it is scam that has been on repeat since the early 2000s. We knew last century carbon dioxide was a greenhouse gas but all the add on scaremongering is pure scam.

" Warming helps humans as cold kills far more people and crops." - how sad, so very sad don't even understand what "warming: is ......People crave explanations, control, and connection. Conspiracy theories, even if far-fetched, can provide a simple answer, a sense of power, and a community of like-minded believers.

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

but there are better 'accidents' with which to make it

ALL accidents in Thailand need to be analysed properly - they are not - this is the basis of any road safety.

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Why do you over analyse it ???

no such thing

"the driver of the car, told the police that he had parked there after a doctor's visit." - what does heshe mean by "after" -  this may or may not be true - but the main witness is dead and why would he park on the hard shoulder to see a doctor? - there is a huge open space off the road for parking there.

There are a few dentists there and  also the "Mind" clinic but I know of no doctor - they may have opened recently I suppose - there are enough pharmacies around there.

Saying "after Doctor" hardly makes it more believable.

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

ooking at the rear of the Fortuner, the speed was 'jeffing fast'...  

I'd say that is not a given at all.

It also depends a lot of what the SUV was doing.

1 hour ago, Wobblybob said:

I guess not everybody can be as brilliant as you, however keep up your with your superiority complex, you never fail! 

sad and feeble  - you only attack the messenger and not the message - so QED, I guess.

Why don’t people understand how to analyse a crash

Firstly they seem to think because they have a driving license, they are some kind of expert.

Everyone overestimates how good a driver they are and take views on other drivers that are basically racist.

There is a clear difference between people's confidence in their road safety knowledge and their actual driving habits, that leads them to pointlessly play the blame game.

They suffer from an ego and overconfidence, they think they're better drivers than they are. They focus on their successes (e.g., avoiding accidents) and underestimate the risks they take themselves (e.g., speeding a little). People may know the rules none of the nuances of safe driving. For instance, they might know speeding is bad but underestimate the danger of going slightly over the limit. They attribute any kind of aberrant driving to others but consider that they are above all that.

They approach the topic with a combination of critical thinking fallacies cognitive dissonance, confirmation bias and a selective knowledge. They focus on avoiding danger to themselves again immediately apportioning blame to “others” e.g they perceive as different to them. they prioritize their own safety over others road users - , forgetting about pedestrians, cyclists, and any drivers who could be impacted by their decisions.

As they don’t understand the basics they pick on one single issue without realising it isn’t a solution. They love to hone in on “driver education” but in reality it is their lack of education  that leads them to believe this as they don’t actually know what that is. So many people on ASEAN NOW focus on passing the test, which is not learning in any country. In fact it normally is geared towards passing the test rather than long-term safe driving habits. And what they mistakenly call their own experience is in reality a lifetime of picking up bad habits. I notice that many people can pick up bad habits from poor observation,  friends or family, and develop a false sense of security due to their experience without accidents, mistaking that for “good driving”. lifelong learning is great but it needs one to be open to new ideas so that driving skills and road rules can evolve, so encouraging drivers to stay updated can improve safety – I see none of that on this thread – just assumption and false confidence in their own superiority.

However, whilst it is true that Thailand has very poor driver education the average local drivers are in fact more skilled than most foreigners at driving on Thai roads. Many foreigners miss out on crucial knowledge about traffic laws,  (.e.g. priority to the left in Thailand) and more general defensive driving techniques, and in this case, the physics behind crashes. The latter being particularly obvious on this thread.

If this thread shows anything it shows a failure to understand the complexity of road situations both static and dynamic. Traffic situations involve multiple factors.  More than just the driver(s) it involves the environment, the road engineering vehicles weather conditions (heat etc)

Analysing a crash requires understanding not just the immediate cause, but the chain of events leading up to it. This is particularly important when trying to understand a video – which otherwise can be very misleading. In this thread the only phot shows nothing of the surrounding area. Although it is a place I am familiar with.

Another factor seen on this thread is the abundant reiteration of common misconceptions. People believe myths about safe driving (e.g., a rolling stop is okay) that can lead to bad habits. Force of impact, safe zones on cars as opposed to amount of visible damage.

So before making rash, baseless and prejudiced judgements about this particular RTI, I think people should begin by understanding their own knowledge gaps, so then we can work towards creating a culture of safe driving and true understanding of the issues of road safety.

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

You mean...  some countries educate and police the road users so fewer of them act like idiots...    and for those who do act like idiots the consequences are minimised through road design. 

 

You may think this guy was not an idiot for riding a high speed and undertaking on the frontage road...     most others would think thats one of the most idiotic things a person could do on a motorcycle....     

 

 

 

No - I"m saying no such thing - I'm saying that it is quite clear that peope on this thread no nothing about road safety or looking/analysing RTIs.HEnce why playing the "blame game" is a fool's errand.

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

You mean...  some countries educate and police the road users so fewer of them act like idiots...

No I mean ,many countries implement the 5 tenets of the "safe System" which is basically the blueprint for road safety.

As someone who has driven extensively in Europe, Australia and Thailand as well as several other countries I can tell you I've never driven in a country with a shortage of idiots....just read t posts on this thread.

19 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Overtaking or illegal undertaking?  Possibly one of these chaps who enjoys travelling at high speed weaving in and out of traffic and only just makes it through, leading to max thrills and max danger.

putre guesswork and lack of road law knowldedge.

15 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Overtaking or illegal undertaking?  Possibly one of these chaps who enjoys travelling at high speed weaving in and out of traffic and only just makes it through, leading to max thrills and max danger.

Undertaking is not necessarily  illegal - it can be construed as reckless driving.

In that part of the road - I would suggest that the SUV's activity needs to be investigated - was it stationary or just pulling out.? If the bike was going at "high speed" what about the vehicle on is right which doesn't appear to be included in the incident at all. At least they would hve been a witness or did they fail to give way to the bike or were thy travelling even faster than the bike - why didn't they stop? Remembr that traffic on thr left can have priority.