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1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

BKK - Jakarta - Thai are better

Better than what?

Just turning up and telling others to go their jobs is really taking charge, is it?

The Thai military includes over 1,700 flag officers (generals and admirals), equating to about one general for every 212 troops. This is one of the highest in the world. But there are also many generals "without portfolio" just pottering around with time on their hands - they aren't going to go quietly when they have businesses to run......

15 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Corrupt to the core.

you own words - it's the entire military.

10 hours ago, brianthainess said:

Can you not see the Photo ? There is no way those seats could recline. Even worse you'd have to sit bolt upright.

youHaven't travelled business class have you? THey are electric and fold out forward from the swab.

20 hours ago, gargamon said:

Only has himself to blame. Why fly Thai Airways when there's many better airlines to use, EVA for example.

Eva and THai now share routes

12 hours ago, webfact said:

 

The first set of dangerous waste unlawfully relocated from a landfill in Tak began its return journey yesterday, with the full transport operation expected to be complete by June, a source from the Industry Ministry revealed.

 

The source mentioned that the very first set of cadmium and zinc tailings, making up 270 tonnes of the previously found 13,000 tonnes, has been successfully transported from different sites in Bangkok, owned by J&B Metal and LLT Metal Co Ltd, to pits in Tak’s Muang district owned by Bound & Beyond Plc.

 

Remarkably, the transportation commenced earlier than the initially planned date, May 7. The Ministry arranged with the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration to move roughly 150 tonnes of waste using six specially designed trucks.

 

To prevent harmful waste leakage, the bags of waste were paired and securely placed in canvas-covered trucks. Prior to starting the journey, the trucks underwent thorough wheel cleaning.

 

Additional trucks carrying another 120 tonnes of tailings from J&B Metal joined the fleet at the first stop before heading to Tak. 

 

The remaining waste will be systematically transported from other locations to Tak landfill, with the operation expected to be concluded by June 17.

 

Meanwhile, Karit Pannaim, a parliament Member for Tak, shared that several residents near the Tak pits, uninformed about the early waste arrival, expressed their concerns over the potential hazards linked to the waste.

 

TOP File photo for reference only. Courtesy of Wikipedia 

 

-- 2024-04-30

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How are Koh Samui and all the other islands getting on with clearing there hugely overloaded dumps?

33 minutes ago, Bundooman said:

Is that so? And how do you know that?

Who are they? Why not name them them?

Just being a little bit petulant and bitchee -scratch your eyes out mentality?

Nobbers do that

And where do you come from lady? 

What sort of answer would you expect? I think your response, a weird combination of sealion, ad hom and gibberish, rather precludes you from this discussion,  doesn't it?

8 hours ago, Korat Kiwi said:

Yes it looks like a bit of speed was involved.  The way the forks are separated from the rest of the bike... 

 

Ouch that gotta hurt. 

rubbish assessment - forks are in 2 main sections and designed to be soft for shock absorption

38 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

I'm surprised you guys are still banging on about it, talk about flog a dead horse

the Thai media spends a lot of time reporting crashes - one of the reasons is they can't actually publish a lot of political stuff as they could end up being sued or worse.

THe result is that a lot of rubbish is posted about road safety eeven on this site - if you like many other posters don't know anything about it then it would be boring but there is a lot that needs to be said to change peoples perception about road safety in general and this is a good example of how people misunderstand and misread Road safety incidents in Thailand. Even you "are still banging on about it, talk about flogging a dead horse" and have decided to chip in - maybe you'll learn something - who knows?

We also can't tell if the video is running at the right speed - certainly ther e is a tendency for them to look faster and BE faster.

2 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Sadly witnesses often chicken out, cowards 

THat's irrelent - I'm talking about the fact you can't rely on them anyway. s I said there are papers on this.... A lot of witnesses are "shocked" by the event  or impact and grossly over estimate speed etc ..

Foreigners driving in Thailand are usually ignorant of the priority laws and fail to understand their significance.

Anyone who has driven in Europe in thee 1960s/70s will know the effects of "priority" laws. (the other way round) the effect was devastating - and there have been significant changes to overcome this. THsiland has not. In Thailand they still remain as a significant part of the driving psyche and culture - foreigners ignoring them do so at their peril.

A lot of driving behaviour is subliminal - It may also be a contributory factor that the (elderly?) Swiss guy comes from a "DoR" country - he may have not instinctively looked or anticipated oncoming traffic correctly.

THe classic example. of this is the pedestrian who steps off a kerb having looked left instead of right.\in this case in doesn't look as if he checked the traffic to his left and even if he did, he may have looked into the wrong lane and nothing wouls have registered - least of all a "fast" moving vehicle in what he considered to be the wrong lane.

THe most common thing said after an accident is "I just didn't see him".

23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Yup... I quite agree...

 

Very rudimentary calculations based on what maybe flawed observation and assumption gives the following.

 

CCTV Frame rates are 25 fps

 

The SUV travelled ~2m in 2 frames...  thats a speed of 90 kmh.

The SUV Travelled ~2m in 4 frames... thats a speed of 45 kmh.

 

If the measurement is slightly off and its not 2m but 1.5m.

The SUV travelled ~1.5m in 2 frames...  thats a speed of 33.7kmh.

The SUV Travelled ~1.5m in 4 frames... thats a speed of 67.5 kmh.

 

 

Yes, its rudementary, however, in the most favourable light - the SUV was travelling at 33 kms...  in the most damning light, the SUV was travelling at 90kmh....   my guess is the SUV was travelling somewhere closer to 60 kmh - which is a reckless speed to enter a junction at which the visibility of crossing traffic is blocked. 

Digital not frames - we don't know if it was constant, accelerating  because we haven't seen the hudred or so metres before the junction.

THe difference in speed between 30 and 40 kph is huge.

It can be calculated by the distance off line travelled by the m/c that was hit.

In countries where crsheds are scientifically analysed the speeds of vehicles is detwermined quite accurately not from video but the resulting distances travelled on/across the asphalt. In Thailand crashes simply aren't calibrated.

Certainly no=one on this thread could make an accurate assessment.

30 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Right of way at unmarked junctions of equal status is to the right

In Thailand priority is to the left.

If two vehicles enter a junction from different directions at the same time, the vehicle on the left side has a right of way, except when there's a designation of "principle roadway" in which case the vehicle on the principle roadway has a right of way.]

Section 72

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[A principle roadway is announced by the traffic officer and installed with indicative traffic signs.]

the "law" part of this is mentioned in the Highway code translation which actually dates from 1979

Land Traffic Act, B.E. 2522 (1979)

39 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I think its quite clear that the approach of the SUV was at speed

You aren't taking into account the natural fallibility of observation - it is totally subjective. I'm not saying you are wrong but there is simply not enough in view to make an accurate judgment.

Another factor is that gauging speed on videos is very difficult - you actually have to measure distance against time and check that the reply speed of the video is properly calibrated. Without doing this videos tend to make speeds look faster.

If you care to check there are a lot of papers on the fallibility of witnesses to calibrates speed and the fallibility of video evidence.

4 hours ago, In Full Agreement said:

 

 

What does the USA have to do with this thread?

It’s down to perception.

I said….

“People's perceptions of driving in any country are universally uninformed and their ability to understand what is really going on is minimal

It is also worth bearing in mind that in a 4-wheeled vehicle in Thailand you are LESS likely to die than in a 4-wheeled car in the USA”.

There is a lack of understanding of what is happening – the general attitude is that “driving in Thailand is mad and all Thai drivers are bad” – but the statistics don’t back this up – as 4-wheeled transport is less deadly than in the USA where a lot of people wrongly consider the driving to be "better".

14 hours ago, Rimmer said:

 

Had not grey the car stopped in the fast lane to let the scooter go through? The White car must have seen that but still overtook it on the inside at high speed, It does not look like the grey car was slowing to turn as the front wheels are straight.

Unfortunately the video doesn't show the approach of the SUV to the junction, so there is very little you can reliably conclude from it.

People are very bad at viewing videos dispassionately.

On 4/22/2024 at 5:04 PM, richard_smith237 said:

And then there is also this.... 

 

 

 

we can't see - if the traffic lights are working.

we can be pretty sure the motorcyclist didn't look left.

the driver of the SUV did not seem to have adjusted speed for the junction.

Anyone having driven this junction and all the other junctions along these roads will be aware that they whole layout is totally unsatisfactory especially at rush hours.

It seems that Thai has not one single traffic engineer anywhere in the country

3 minutes ago, Klonko said:

Insisting on the official traffic rules is a recipe for a disaster especially in Thailand. Both drivers were driving recklessly. I have driven both roads by car and motorcycle and never would drive across this intersection from either side without looking for other vehicles  and being prepared and able to give way even if it's my right of way. Anticipating the Thai style behaviour of other drivers, I feel as comfortable as driving in Europe.

Yes - many foreign drivers are not good enough to adapt to a driving environment that is quite different from their home country. Some even think that Thai people should drive like they do in their home country.

Basically if you find yourself shouting at other drivers, it is probably you who are not fitting in.

Pelpe's perceptions of driving in any country are universally uninformed and their ability to understand what is really going on is minimal

It is also worth bearing in mind that in a 4-wheeled vehicle in Thailand you are LESS likely to die than in a 4-wheeled car in the USA.

2 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

 

 

The fact I have experienced this exact same incident several times at this same intersection and on each occasion the police declared me not at fault..

 

Yeah I will side with their decision rather than your keyboard thumping.

I'm not questioning tany decision (mind you  - RTP??) - I'm pointing out the paucity of understanding people have when it comes to analysing acidents in general - especially watching videos.

"experienced this exact same incident several times at this same intersection" - ? - Brings to mind a quote of Einstein's "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"

6 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Who says they aren't the 'main road'? 

 

A maun road is designated by police or local authority.

It may be altered or whatever but that doesn't mean it is given a change of designation.

However if there are road marking at the junction that would say.

Most foreign drivers are unaware of the defumault....that is priority on the left.

7 hours ago, hotchilli said:

So you know what's going to happen in 24 years from now... smart Alec?

I certainly wouldn't assume it would change for the better.