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4 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

xmax is a 350 engine. same as the forza. 

I've neever seen a XMAX 350 only 125, 300 and 400 - the point is so WHAT??? - the fact is the maximum speed is unlikely to be 160kph regadless of the dimensions of the displacement and the engibe size has little or no bearing on the causes of the crash.

22 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

i read the article with that information provided. 

so you believe an article on a website claiming a bike was travelling at a speed it is very unlikely to be able to achieve.

I think you ability of critically absorb information is somewhat limited.

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

You, not having any hands-on experience of accident investigation in Thailand, are basing that "basically stone age" assertion on what, exactly? 

what do you base that assumption on?

4 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Mission accomplished!

If you look at the photo both vehicles are aligned perfectly to the direction of travel. Why would there be any skid-marks?

THe crash seems to have taken place outside a shopping lay-by. there are road-side rot-ken and a lot of people pull up on the hard shoulder here - it looks like tht is what the SUV has done - either that or he pulled over in front of the M/C.

THis piece of road has lots of parking off the road but it doesn't stopp people pulling over on the hard shoulder.

THere is a convenience store there so people stop for snacks of their breakfast take aways.

I think we really need to know what the SUV was doing there and how long it had been there.

13 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

No, not any road safety health protection govt will protect me from stupid driving. 

That's an education issue🙏

Seriously? You think you can solve THailand's road safety with one single issue??? - you clearly don't understand what I'm talking about - obviously the education bit has missed you out.

13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

ts easy to understand how and why a lot of accidents occur in Thailand

QED - absolutely not and that is the attitude that prevents progress.

Road safety is a public health issue.

the concept of "idiot" or "bad driver" is just plain stupid.

Homun behaviour is pretty much constant the world over - what a good road safety plicyty does is protect people from the vagaries of driving

Some countries are particularly good at doing this - the unfortunate side effect is that drivers from those countries mistakenly thing they should take the credit - they aren't good drivers, they are just proeteted by a good road safety policy and system.

24 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Really?😳

Yes!

14 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

Yamaha sold the Xmax 400 here ?

I thought the biggest engine here was 300.

No idea - I was just looking to the max speed for and exaple - whichever way you look at it, it was unlikely that the bike was travelling at 160kph.

4 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

Oh, wait...........no skid marks?

Measuring skid marks is from really old crash analysis - most vehicles these days  - including the XMAX - have ABS - so the absence of skid marks is very common - they only occur these days after the vehicle has been damaged or completely changed position in relation to travel.

THis crash was - pretty straight but  on the hard shoulder and one has to presume the SUV was stationary and question why both vehicles were there.

we need to completely change the way we look at ETIs...

People fixate of apportioning blame but this is unhelpful and actually an archaic approach.

Here are a couple of reasons why focusing on “blame” isn't helpful when analysing road crashes:

The main goal after a crash should be preventing future ones. Pinpointing one person as entirely to blame doesn't address the bigger picture: were there road design issues, unclear signage, distracted driving habits, or mechanical failures that contributed? By looking at all contributing factors, we can develop better safety measures to prevent similar crashes.

Most people (including the Thai authorities) grossly underestimate the complexity of crashes: Rarely are crashes caused by a single action. There's often a chain of events or contributing factors. (BTW - these are usually missed by videos). Focusing on blame can overshadow these complexities and make it harder to identify ways to prevent future accidents.

Instead of the blame game, it is recommended that a data-driven approach that analyses all contributing factors to understand the "why" behind the crash. This can lead to improvements in road design, driver education, and vehicle safety features. Thailand simply doesn’t achieve this at all.

15 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

It seems that your assessment of the initial investigation by the police falls way short of anyone who could read and comprehend the whole article...

"Further investigation into the incident is ongoing, as the police hope the CCTV footage will reveal the exact circumstances surrounding the accident". 

I think you need to get up to speed on police crash reports - the fact tet they are already guessing is not good - but in Thailand the analysis of RTIs is basically back in the stone-age.

Have you ever seen the statistics? Comparethem to countries with low road deaths and injuries - every minute detail is recorded and analysed - Thailand gets nowhere near this.

If fyou want to get an idea how it should be done - check out this site...

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/reported-road-accidents-vehicles-and-casualties-tables-for-great-britain#all-collision-casualty-and-vehicle-tables-excel-format

6 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Maybe the mobile was more important than the road?🙏

now as ever just guessing - what is the point? What is needed is a police force who can hand in a comprehensive crash report and not just gossip to the media.

If Thailand is to improve road safety they need to have a comprehensive set of analyses and statistics to work from.

Palying childish guessing games based on prejudice doesn't help, it actually harms any progress towards safer roads.

It also shows what incredibly bad drivers the commentators themselves are.

3 minutes ago, tgw said:

 

that's why I said "typical" - I'm sure you can find models that go faster.

we are talking about a particular m/c in a precise accident not how fast you bike can go.

4 minutes ago, johng said:

Looking at the damage to the Fortuner  the bike was going "quite fast"

to assess the damage you can't just look at it.

You have to tke into account that the rear of the car is designed to collapse and crumple to absorb impact. You need to know the mass of th m/c and also the speed of the SUV - I suspect it had stopped suddenly?

THe spare tire looks like a diversion - they are normally stored inside the rear - if it had been a custom job bolted to the rear door it would have had a highly detrimental affect on the impact.

you also need to accurately calculate the kinetic energy stored in the m/c and it is clear the police haven't dome this.

10 minutes ago, tgw said:

 

typical top speed of 400cc MC is 170 Kph (110 mph)

THat is a most facile comment a "one quote wonder" - the actual top speed depends on where you look and of course the conditon of the bike, the weather conditions, the weight of the passenger etc etc - - - as I said it would be pushed to do 160 kph.

And of course you have to h=take into account the calibration of the speedo.

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Picture courtesy of Kachon

 

A motorcycle rider succumbed to fatal injuries after crashing into a parked Toyota Fortuner in Chon Buri, yesterday morning. The fatal incident occurred on the Bypass Road 36 (Krating Lai – Rayong) in the Nong Pla Lai sub-district, Banglamung district. The exact site was the 1+400 km point on the road. 

 

Rescue workers from Sawang Boriboon, along with Banglamung police, rushed to the scene around 9:30 am. They found a destroyed black Yamaha XMAX bike and its rider, Boonchanit Phrachan, dead on the roadside. Phrachan's body had significant limb and neck injuries. His ID revealed that he worked in the e-commerce sector as a website administrator. 

 

The speedometer on the deceased’s motorcycle indicated his speed to be over 160 km per hour, leading the police to believe that Phrachan was moving at a high-speed potentially attempting to overtake another vehicle, unaware of the stationary car on the side of the road.

 

Near the site was a white Toyota Fortuner with its rear end and spare tyre, originally attached to the back of the car, severely damaged. Thawachai Wiseschan, the driver of the car, told the police that he had parked there after a doctor's visit.

 

Further investigation into the incident is ongoing, as the police hope the CCTV footage will reveal the exact circumstances surrounding the accident. Meanwhile, Phrachan's body has been moved to a nearby hospital for funerary preparations.

 

-- 2024-05-06

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It seems the police assessment of this incident falls way short of the standards one would expect from a preoper scientific analysis of the crash. No science just supposition and prejudice.

4 hours ago, stoner said:

 

he was going 160 km/h that's how i know. 

what do you base that on??

6 hours ago, webfact said:

The speedometer on the deceased’s motorcycle indicated his speed to be over 160 km per hour

THat is not a reasoned conclusion.

Assuming the bike was a 400 cc top of the range - it would be hard pushed to get up to 160kph.

What it possible is the electronic speedo or mechanical was affected y the collision. If the wheel of the bike had left the ground during impact it may also have spun up to that speed whilst absorbing energy from the two vehicles.

It seems they are talking about provinces.

Although last March in Pattaya it was crammed

On 3/8/2024 at 3:21 AM, Tarteso said:

Is Chiang Mai habitable by humans?

 

 

Today;

PM 2.5 figures are the really worrying ones.

Unless there is a huge social sea-change, we need private 4-wheeled transport.

THe OP "ICE vs EV, the debate thread" is really a false dichotomy.

For a start one needs to define ICE - as some hydrogen vehicles may be ICE.

THe production costs and raw materials for traditional cars have the same but different dark sides too.

Again we get the appearance of the "not a lot of people know that" brigade who want to emphasise single issues with EVs as if they mean we should revert to fossil fuel ICEs. For instance child labour is a red-herring – this crops up in production systems all over the world for different products – and it has to be stopped but it isn’t a reason to stop making EVs., trainers, jeans, drilling oil (Nigeria) etc etc…. (https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2011/08/un-confirms-massive-oil-pollution-niger-delta/#:~:text=According to UNDP%2C more than,clean up all oil spills. )

The truth is we are not returning to fossil fuelled cars.

Nowadays, any car built today is built with FAR more consideration to the 3 phases.

For those who haven't considered them, they are 

1.     production - from raw materials to product

2.     usage - the life of the car

3.     disposal - how much of the vehicle is reduced, reused and recycled

Any transport requires energy and it is how that affects MMCC that is important.

Emissions are the obvious but how and WHERE they are emitted is also important.

Centrally generated energy can be far less polluting than mobile devices spreading climate change gases as they go. Central power generation is changing too and the emissions are much more easy to monitor and control

The motor industry in general has accepted the concept of EVS and within a short time they will undercut fossil fuel ICEs in every way. The key factor being annual cost of ownership.

Hydrogen may be an alternative in the future – Toyota have done a huge amount of research into hydrogen vehicles – even selling production cars – as yet it isn’t viable but this may change.

The other side of EV v ICE is that we already use static hydrogen power in hosptitals aetc and other vehicles and static uses will also supplant fossil fuels – power generation, shipping, railways and maybe even aircraft.

4-wheeled private vehicles are only part of a major turnaround.

On 7/25/2023 at 8:21 PM, vinny41 said:

Remove all the petrochemical by products from EV's and what are you left with no glass, no dashboard, no seats, no carpets, no tyres. no rims, no steering wheel, no plastics, no rubber, no seat frames, no mirrors, no paint

...and do the same from ICEs? Must be something else then?

24 minutes ago, digger70 said:

I could say how smart  are you (not ) to not see true their scare mongering  greedy money grabbing tricks.

QED

3 hours ago, digger70 said:

The scientist say whatever what the people who Pay there research what they want them to say.

seriously - how dumb can you be? So how do you get your scientific information?