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Although you can argue the stats, most sources seem to tell a similar story. That is the cost of road crashes in Thailand is significant, reaching into the billions of baht. Estimates suggest road crashes cost Thailand more than 500 billion baht annually, which is around 3% of the country's GDP. This data is from 2019 (pre Covid), so it might not be the most recent, but it nevertheless highlights the substantial economic burden. It's important to consider that these figures likely only account for the measurable economic costs. The human cost of lost lives, injuries, and disabilities is less measurable. An accident has many ramifications - Approximately 39 per cent of the deaths are family heads. This means that the death of one person puts 2.43 people per family in trouble financially and psychologically. It is also a loss for Thailand's demography as the country enters an ageing society – families lose breadwinners, mothers and suffer great emotional stresses. Insurance companies have to pick up the costs. From ambulance to long term care, or simply paying put for property damage, a crash costs money

If it's secret, you shouldn't be driving.

Your assumption doesn't take into account the number of those who die of old age and the Thai birthrate. THe population is not static or made up of te same people every year. I think there rte two factors here one is how statisitcs are compiled and secondly how they are collated and analysed.

I'm sure you do - but everything you've posted indicates otherwise. I think rather than sealioning you should demonstrate just an iota of comprehension and what evidence you have to the contrary.

It is good to see an article that doesn't regurgitate the same old cliches about road safety - namely "bad drivers" DUI deaths per 10ok pop and playing the blame game

Firstly fixating only on the statistic of road deaths or deaths per 100k pop isn't a very good way of getting the true picture - rather, it shows how people are not analysing the stas in a productive way. THe 30 day rule is only a guide - not a hard and fast rule in most countries - It should however be noted that statistically the numbers after 30 days are probably insignificant. In the UK, The Department for Transport (DfT) defines a road death as someone who dies within 30 days of a reported road accident involving a vehicle on a public road. There is no hard cut-off after 30 days like in the US. Beyond 30 days: Deaths that occur after 30 days but are considered directly attributable to the injuries sustained in the accident are still counted as road deaths by the DfT. They are reported in a separate category though, differentiating them from those happening within 30 days. Here are some resources for further reference: Department for Transport - Road Casualties and fatalities: https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-transport It would be more helpful to compare THailand's first responder and emergency services to other country's statistics. THe stats relealeased so quickly by the RTP cannot really be regarded as anything more than a comparative guide. THis year's proportions reflect only what the police were checking for not what was actually trending.

the normal international standard divides injuries into 3 categories - minor, serious and fatal. So far Thailand has failed to do this on a long term annual basis.

just over 40 per day against the norm of 50 to 60 - that's at least a 20% drop

what ever the motivations of the poisoners, it won't effect the overall dog population.

THat is not evidence it is pure supposition. BTW - what was the cause of death?

It would seem by this facile comment that you are totally out of touch with the issues surrounding Koh Tao. You've asked me several cryptic questions but in the end I think you are just trying to conceal your ignorance.

Nothing subjective about the turnaround in monsoons

And this is not substantiated by any significant evidence

Carbon monoxide gas is colourless and does not smell, so you cannot tell if it is around you. Another thing is that te van was probably a diesel - diesel engines produce much less Co than a gasolene engine

I find it a repeated source of puzzlement when people who claim to have lived for any length of time seem so unaware of many of the basic facets of Thai life and culture Almost all of Thailand’s islands were sparsely inhabited until the tourists came along. The inhabitants were largely fishermen and farming families – the land wasn’t surveyed it was basically squatted. Within the space of a few years many of these people found that they were occupying very valuable land – hotel resorts bars anything to do with tourism. Some also managed to take over a lot of extra land. Thailand’s tourist areas were largely subject to untrammelled development and it was all pretty lawless – see the lack of infrastructure. As there was no real official law, the families used their own “influence to protect their newfound wealth – some legitimate and some not so. Nowadays, they usually have legal businesses as their front. The model for this exists in most Thai provinces – it’s “Chao Pho” – it translates as “godfather” and also refers to the organisation under them. It’s a characteristic of the Thai “mafia” that it is very fractured and localised. Its estimated that over half of Thailand’s provinces still have these “local mafias” operating in them. Often in plain sight. Many have connections with the “Red Wa” especially in the South In their own area they exercise control of all aspects of life. Immigrant workers (in particular Burma) are a source of income ,local businesses pay dues and will need their blessing to start up in the first place. Local police are often either family or in their pay. They can often control prostitution, drug trafficking, illegal gambling and other legal enterprises. Their influence extends into local politics often being represented on local authorities and even can affect elections in the area. Obviously they will use violence to protect their position especially if they feel they have lost face and they will also protect their own interests and members.. If they feel they have to protect the reputation of a family member then they are in a good position to do so as they care quite capable of influencing any official investigation. Most of the heads of these families are outwardly very popular people with high visibility, but they are not to be crossed. Paradise has a dark side

so you already know?...and you'd know wht sharing experiences is not something I'd want to do - but by all means go ahead.

yes

I think you need to get upto speed on the hierarchy on most Thai islands

THe are connected to upsetting those who control businesses on the island

How do you think forrest fires get started??

It is unfortunate that the only set of statisitcs used by most when talking of road safety in Thailand is deaths per 100 k of Pop. Other Statistics may include · Serious Injuries per 1 million inhabitants Minor injuries per 1 million inhabitants Deaths per 10 billion vehicle-KM Deaths per 100,000 registered vehicles Registered vehicles per 1000 inhabitants [WHO]

If you are to believe the figures so far, it is a massive reduction on pre-Covid years. However I suspect there is more to it than that.

What hunch? Where do you get that? I'm talking about your inability to have an intelligent discussion. You are impossible to discuss with you now resort to clueless false dichotomies but you have no idea you are doing it. - so out of touch. You don't even understand my OP.

No we don't, it just seems you are too far down the intellectual food chain to understand that or even you own cognitive biases .. and now saddwst of all you are trying to change your goalposts "Please post your link disproving the figures" is what ouyu said and that is what I'm saying is so pointless.

No you''re not your just trying to disagree in a very non-intellectual way because for one reason or another you don't believe that person. THis is a chat forum. the evidence to back this shirt of stuff up is available online to everyone. If you just take the time to educate yourself there is no need to ask silly questions or sea lion people. (BTW not my [post - I'm just fed up with people who can't reasonably take part in a discussion.. .. due to lack of basic knowledge. THe Stats for Thai road safety stretch back over 20 years - I would have thought you'd be able to see for yourself how these things are recorded.