notamember

7 hours ago, JackThompson said:

Yes, I am curious what desk(s) forced him to go to the TM-30 desk before delivering service, given the retirement-desk was not enforcing for some time.  @Becker - did the retirement-desk request the TM-30?  Maybe only agent-submitted apps are immune, now.

regardless of the subject matter some posters can always manage to weave in a derogatory reference to agents

6 hours ago, notamember said:

unless a WP holder a foreigner needs a residence certificate to buy and sell

or unless the buyer/seller has a yellow book apparently........

7 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

As the seller you should only need the vehicles log book and your passport.

You only need a certificate of residence if your the buyer as a foreigner unless you have a Yellow Tabien Baan.

 

The Thai buyer only needs his Tabien Baan and ID card.

 

 

unless a WP holder a foreigner needs a residence certificate to buy and sell

7 minutes ago, Dazinoz said:

Ok, sorry. I have read every post but don't remember users all the time.

 

They quoted me a price before they went to immigration and did say I may have to use another option. After the visit to immigration they wanted me to return fast so that they can go back and hopefully get that person again which will be today.

 

Cost for extension renewal was 7750 baht. I was quoted 23,000 for a Chonburi agent.

 

And they did say if I did not get extension they do not charge. I would believe that when I saw it.

well you will never know now will you?

most agents refund when they do not succeed as they do not want the bad rep or police action highlighting their profession

some even guarantee it in writing

for the 23,000 fee they were loaning you the 800,000 baht too, right?

1 minute ago, Dazinoz said:

Obviously you don't use agents and don't intend to so there is no need to know cost.

i have used agents and know what they cost and what they do and will do again

its in my past postings on here, obviously you have not looked

i wondered what agents who simply put you with an amenable immigration officer charge ? 

5 minutes ago, Dazinoz said:

More than my last agent but a LOT less than I would if I went through one of the agents that don't need bank deposit or income proof. I am using this time because it might be the case of not what you know but who you know.

so how much for her influence for you to use your own money/letter at CM?

from what you say i guess she is not loaning you 800,000 baht like the other agents?

15 hours ago, Dazinoz said:

UPDATE:-

 

Visited an agent this morning that was recommended to me by a member on here.

 

Checked all my paperwork and, yes, my income as stated on my Stat Dec is insufficient at todays exchange rate. Short around 50k. My fixed deposit account of 50k can not be used because immigration requires that the letter issued by the bank states that the funds are used as a security deposit and hence not regarded as fluid. Checked my everyday account and I have sufficient funds but not seasoned for the three months. I then produced the police order I posted above (including point 5) and they said that is fine but Chiang Mai immigration require the 3 months. 

 

So we then discussed my options and I did hint at using one of the ones from another province that don't require deposit or income. The agent said that is ok to do but would need to do every year as, in their wisdom, Chiang Mai immigration have taken a dim view of this and then make future extensions difficult.  She made a point a few times that CM immigration were strict with everything. I asked about proof of income declared on the Stat Dec and she said that at the moment its only Americans that they asking that of. What have you naughty Americans been up to? 

 

Anyhow they asked me to leave all the paperwork and said they would check with immigration. They phoned me about 2 hours later and said they had talked to a "very nice" IO and if I wanted to proceed to come back immediately and do the paperwork. So I hope to have the appointment tomorrow and get same officer and hence my extension.

 

Will update tomorrow if anyone interested.

how much is she charging you for her influence?

3 minutes ago, Dazinoz said:

I have used an agent because 1. I am Lazy, 2. I hate waiting around.

 

But I think now I will do as you suggest.

my work is done, i am out of here

2 minutes ago, Dazinoz said:

I had a few words with my existing agent and she got terse with me stating that all countries have laws and I said I should respect Thai law. I said I did respect Thai law but I don't respect individual offices and officers making their own rules. 

 

I used Stat Dec(affidavit) last year and got the same this year. But taking into account the dropped exchange rate i came in at 63,600 baht per month or 763,258 baht. I have 50,000 in a fixed deposit account but I don't think would be accepted as it is security for a credit card. My every day account has over 60,000 at the moment but usually does not have a lot as I transfer from Oz as needed.

why do you have an existing agent?

if the letter covered 800,000 last year, why have someone do it for you?

''I don't think would be accepted as it is security for a credit card.''

you don't know until you ask

''My every day account has over 60,000 at the moment ''

so use that 763,258 baht + 60,000 baht = 800, 000 +

you want help and advise?

ditch the agent you do not need 

she sounds less than helpful

2 minutes ago, Dazinoz said:

Again, conflicting stories. I am told you need 3 months, others say not. Someone quoted a police order number that says no. I read order and, unless I am reading wrong, it says I need to season. 

 

This from police order 327-2557 as quoted by a member on another thread.

 

The law is:

all money (2 months season  first time, 3 months second year)

all pension/income letter from applicants embassy

combination of both to make 800,000 baht total

(money does not have to be seasoned for combo method)

However some immigration officers/offices make their own rules and insist it is to be seasoned

i know a guy who skips the seasoning period with an income letter reflecting 36.09 per month in an annuity payment with an income letter from the British embassy and has been doing it since Barry Kenyon MBE sat in the big chair in Chomtien

1 minute ago, Dazinoz said:

Yes I am here to ask for help. Thank you for your valuable input.

 

heres some valuable input:

borrow some money to make up the shortfall and do it yourself using the combo method

if thats not possible then use an agent

13 minutes ago, Dazinoz said:

Yes people say that. I say BS. I don't go around trying to cause problems for my self.

yet here you are on a forum seeking help and advise from people who may be sympathetic but mostly have not got a clue as to how it all works, legal or otherwise and are happy to peer down from their ivory tower and issue disparaging comment upon persons who have not gazillions in the bank

people with 800,000 baht in the bank or an income letter or both   do not need an agent and will never have used one, so what do they really know about it?

They only repeat what others speculate about agents on here 

like Chinese whispers........

1 minute ago, Dazinoz said:

For me I am sure if there can be a problem it will surface.

you are the master of your own destiny

2 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

That is assuming one has a home there.  Maybe this "service" comes with a fake-address / mail-drop, which is unique to every applicant? 

 

While we are allowed freedom of movement, this is only Provided Our 90-Day Reports are Accurate, which would require a TM-28 to change address, and a TM-30 to match.  So figure, for each extension, a set of these to "move" to Chonburi, then another set to "return" to Chang Mai.  That is the only way I could see it working out on paper. 

people do it all the time, i know a guy who has a condo in Pattaya, did his extension  there for years. Met  girl, moved with her to Chiang Mail, rented out condo. He returns every year to re-sign new 1 year lease, re-rent or usually refurbish and re-rent his condo,

He registers his presence with a TM28 & TM30 and he does his renewal whilst he is In Chonburi as he is obliged to do and  as he has always.done

when his condo 'work' is done, he returns to CM and re-registers his 'old' address using a TM28 & TM30 in Chiang Mai

It does not raise any eyebrows in Chiang Mai and he has been asked only once and he told them

he follows the law, so wheres the problem?

2 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

If this was issued for a person living in Chang Mai, I would hope that "handling 90-day reporting" was included in the deal - though that would have to be fraudulent 90-day reporting, by definition.

 

And it's not just Chang Mai - Chonburi's retirement-desk processes these "agent-sponsored" extensions from all over the country, per reports by many here.

 

But I have to wonder what happens if one is questioned about something/anything and this appears in one's passport, when one is clearly not living in the Chonburi area.  On one hand, the money flowing into Chonburi Retirement Desk seems to flow to all needed places to keep the scheme going - so no "crackdown" ever happens.  On the other hand, there is no guarantee the farang-recipient of such an extension would not be put through the wringer at some point if "caught" getting extensions from a province where they do not live.

Its not illegal to have two homes or indeed ten homes if you want

you can stay at any one of them and report your presence there

you do not have to be rooted to the spot where you applied for it when granted a retirement extension

19 hours ago, jippytum said:

There are many agents in Chaing Mai who will assist with your problem .No need to complicate things for yourself by seeking the same  help in Pattaya.

maybe find someone in Chiang Mai who has been assisted by a  Chiang Mai agent to lay on the money , deal with the renewal of extension process and then see where the extension was actually issued...

12 hours ago, Dazinoz said:

Nope.

i bet it was an agent in Chiang Mai who told you that to try to keep you on board

i can confirm that CM is asking for proof of actual income to match the US embassy affidavit

an applicant i know of was refused a new extension on Monday 27th August 2018 as he had no additional proof to back it up

he had 800K+ in the bank and offered that but they said it was not seasoned 

The Combination method was declined because the bank funds were not seasoned and the letter would still require income proof to comply 

they told him to leave Thailand, come back and start all over again

the applicant is nearly 80 years old, has mobility problems and had been here 12 years on consecutive retirement extensions applied for in the same way

Harsh but true

when changing of use of the extension from marriage to retirement is applied for, the new extension , if successful , will be commenced from the date of application  

Even if there were 6 months or more remaining on the marriage extension the applicant would lose that time by changing

Many are willing to make the change that early due to divorce, threats from estranged wifes to inform immigration of separation, demands for money to appear and gladly accept the loss of time to get out from under the soon to be ex wifes influence over the applicants future in Thailand

I have never known one to be allowed to begin from existing expiry date on another type of extension

5 minutes ago, notamember said:

which immigration center  did you attend last renewal?

slow response scottie, , going to get your passport to find out?

5 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

How am I breaking the law?

which immigration center  did you attend last renewal?

16 minutes ago, Phuket Man said:

Naam. By the time you go round your house turning off your 14 air conditioners you don't have time to go anywhere. ?

Naam has more money than Trump, it would take him an hour to walk to the door to leave the house

10 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

I think you are reading the comment above out of context.  Please see my post 162 on the previous page where I said

 

"I and many others are using agents for totally legitimate reason. 
People discussing using "agents (read illegal facilitators) to provide false documentation regarding non existent 3 months funded bank accounts for extensions etc are condoning and/or taking part in illegal practices."

 

I totally support Legal agent activities, not the illegal ones.

yet you break the law , so you are supporting illegal activity nonetheless 

11 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

It is either legal or it is not.

I and many others are using agents for totally legitimate reason.

People discussing using "agents (read illegal facilitators) to provide false documentation regarding non existent 3 months funded bank accounts for extensions etc are condoning and/or taking part in illegal practices.

Up to you, just don't tarnish legitimate agent users with the low life scum who should not/cannot afford to be here and use illegal methods to remain.  Big Joke will be after them (especially if he is reading the cr*p that about illegality that is being posted here).

yet you are breaking the law by not attending.........

11 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

Then they should not be here and should be kicked out the country immediately.  If all these illegal no good sh*t were kicked out there would be more room at the IMM Offices for the rest of us.

 

 

 if all people attended themselves rather than use agents, there would be significantly less room for the rest of us